Kabam please stop giving different rewards for similar effort

Earlier Kabam removed AW Season Crystal in S15 to bring parity to people finishing in similar tier.

Many welcomed the move, a few were unhappy, but overall it did gave an impression that Kabam is moving towards right direction...but we were so wrong!!

Why?? Just look at Crystals you are getting from this month side quest. Many are getting only 3* or 4*s from legendary/ Grandmaster Shattered Crystal while some are enjoying 5*s. How this is right when the effort put by all are similar. Its a different story whether this month rewards are good or not, but don't make it bad for some and good for few when efforts being put are same. Please stop this madness...

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That all part of luck

Solotrix

Earlier Kabam removed AW Season Crystal in S15 to bring parity to people finishing in similar tier.

Many welcomed the move, a few were unhappy, but overall it did gave an impression that Kabam is moving towards right direction...but we were so wrong!!

Why?? Just look at Crystals you are getting from this month side quest. Many are getting only 3* or 4*s from legendary/ Grandmaster Shattered Crystal while some are enjoying 5*s. How this is right when the effort put by all are similar. Its a different story whether this month rewards are good or not, but don't make it bad for some and good for few when efforts being put are same. Please stop this madness...

If you’re mad about the crystal then just ignore it, I’m certainly skipping this month’s side quests

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Anurag1606

I agree to this. Wouldn't it be good to just give shards instead? Already the crystals from shards have huge amount of RNG luck involved. Everyone worked for it, give same amount of shards and then let RNG decide what kind of champs they get.

Kalantak

this month's entire event was incredibly trash for me!! got 3* on every single grandmaster love crystal and both legendary crystals gave 4* and add to it both ultimate crystal gave 3*!!' absolute bare minimum !! at the same time i saw quite a few people getting 5*s like HT,namor,widow,trash end to a trash event for me unfortunately!!

Aomine_Daiki10

Don't always complain about free stuff but this month side quest was a failure. RNG rewards are not worth the effort.

Demonzfyre

Earlier Kabam removed AW Season Crystal in S15 to bring parity to people finishing in similar tier.

Many welcomed the move, a few were unhappy, but overall it did gave an impression that Kabam is moving towards right direction...but we were so wrong!!

Why?? Just look at Crystals you are getting from this month side quest. Many are getting only 3* or 4*s from legendary/ Grandmaster Shattered Crystal while some are enjoying 5*s. How this is right when the effort put by all are similar. Its a different story whether this month rewards are good or not, but don't make it bad for some and good for few when efforts being put are same. Please stop this madness...

AW is 1000 times harder than this side quest. They kept energy at 1 per step plus the whole thing is optional. Abyss of Legends came out before this side quest and is chalk full of RNG rewards. Curious why you chose to compare this side quest to AW rewards instead of something like Abyss where unless you have the right team, your efforts are much more difficult.

Not to mention every quest that exists in this game has RNG rewards, even AW. What if the 5* shards from the AW rewards gives me a 5* and I get Iron Patriot and we ranked #2 Gold 1 but someone who ranked #499 pulls a 5* Aegon.... Is that fair? Technically we worked harder than them.

Everyone uses a backup and most often they are needed. If they just placed defense, they get the same rewards as I do for running a lane. War MVPs get nothing extra for doing all the work. Hows that fair?

Point is, just play the.game. RNG runs this game.

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Suman_sahA

I also feel that kabam should give a 3* crystal or a 4* crystal or 5* crystal instead of 3-5* crystal. in that way everyone will have atleast same rarity champs that will affect everyone in same manner. its very frustrating pulling 3* champs over & over where another player can open a 5* god tier champ doing same effort... at least in game rewards for completing or exploring content should be same rarity champs. if they want money (obviously every company will look for the profit) the peoples r there always to get new champs buying crystals, keep those rng there only...

Demonzfyre

Earlier Kabam removed AW Season Crystal in S15 to bring parity to people finishing in similar tier.

Many welcomed the move, a few were unhappy, but overall it did gave an impression that Kabam is moving towards right direction...but we were so wrong!!

Why?? Just look at Crystals you are getting from this month side quest. Many are getting only 3* or 4*s from legendary/ Grandmaster Shattered Crystal while some are enjoying 5*s. How this is right when the effort put by all are similar. Its a different story whether this month rewards are good or not, but don't make it bad for some and good for few when efforts being put are same. Please stop this madness...
AW is 1000 times harder than this side quest. They kept energy at 1 per step plus the whole thing is optional. Abyss of Legends came out before this side quest and is chalk full of RNG rewards. Curious why you chose to compare this side quest to AW rewards instead of something like Abyss where unless you have the right team, your efforts are much more difficult.

Not to mention every quest that exists in this game has RNG rewards, even AW. What if the 5* shards from the AW rewards gives me a 5* and I get Iron Patriot and we ranked #2 Gold 1 but someone who ranked #499 pulls a 5* Aegon.... Is that fair? Technically we worked harder than them.

Everyone uses a backup and most often they are needed. If they just placed defense, they get the same rewards as I do for running a lane. War MVPs get nothing extra for doing all the work. Hows that fair?

Point is, just play the.game. RNG runs this game.
The only reason comparing with AW is to show how they moved towards bringing parity in recent times. Its well known how at times Plat 3/4 were pulling less shards from those crystals in comparison to a G2/3. It was a nice step forward from Kabam.

Yes, I understand not necessarily one get good hero from 5* and so does at time with AGs (I myself has pulled 4Tech and 3Mystic till date and no other class) but atleast you are getting a 5* or AG. Yes one can't compare Aegon with IP, and thats a bigger issue which Kabam should have addressed way back.

However, if one putting similar effort and getting only 3* or 4* and other person getting 5 5*, how this is correct?

Its "correct" because you choose to do the content or not which means you've accepted the rewards you get.

Minvis

I’d suggest having different quality crystals for events like this. They’d all cost the same kind of shards but different amounts. Better crystals could guarantee 4* but not have a chance at 5* so people could choose to forgo the rng.

Maybe a Crystal option with only 5* shards. You get 2500* five star shards without risking just getting a 4*.

This way people could avoid the rng but the rng Crystal would still have a chance at the best rewards.

Something like this (with some tweets) could work. Right?

Zeraphan

I simply don't understand these arguments. You are upset because someone got the same crystal as you, and even though everyone has the same chance to pull each tier of champ, the fact that they got a 5* while you got a 3* is somehow unfair?

If two people completed the same event and one was rewarded a 3* crystal and the other a 5* crystal, sure, that would be unfair.

This is like saying it isn't fair that I bought a lottery ticket and put in the same effort that the guy next to me put in and I didn't win anything and he won the lottery.

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Demonzfyre

Earlier Kabam removed AW Season Crystal in S15 to bring parity to people finishing in similar tier.

Many welcomed the move, a few were unhappy, but overall it did gave an impression that Kabam is moving towards right direction...but we were so wrong!!

Why?? Just look at Crystals you are getting from this month side quest. Many are getting only 3* or 4*s from legendary/ Grandmaster Shattered Crystal while some are enjoying 5*s. How this is right when the effort put by all are similar. Its a different story whether this month rewards are good or not, but don't make it bad for some and good for few when efforts being put are same. Please stop this madness...
AW is 1000 times harder than this side quest. They kept energy at 1 per step plus the whole thing is optional. Abyss of Legends came out before this side quest and is chalk full of RNG rewards. Curious why you chose to compare this side quest to AW rewards instead of something like Abyss where unless you have the right team, your efforts are much more difficult.

Not to mention every quest that exists in this game has RNG rewards, even AW. What if the 5* shards from the AW rewards gives me a 5* and I get Iron Patriot and we ranked #2 Gold 1 but someone who ranked #499 pulls a 5* Aegon.... Is that fair? Technically we worked harder than them.

Everyone uses a backup and most often they are needed. If they just placed defense, they get the same rewards as I do for running a lane. War MVPs get nothing extra for doing all the work. Hows that fair?

Point is, just play the.game. RNG runs this game.
The only reason comparing with AW is to show how they moved towards bringing parity in recent times. Its well known how at times Plat 3/4 were pulling less shards from those crystals in comparison to a G2/3. It was a nice step forward from Kabam.

Yes, I understand not necessarily one get good hero from 5* and so does at time with AGs (I myself has pulled 4Tech and 3Mystic till date and no other class) but atleast you are getting a 5* or AG. Yes one can't compare Aegon with IP, and thats a bigger issue which Kabam should have addressed way back.

However, if one putting similar effort and getting only 3* or 4* and other person getting 5 5*, how this is correct?
Its "correct" because you choose to do the content or not which means you've accepted the rewards you get.
Nope, I do the content as I enjoy playing this game. I have issue with this side EQ because the rewards are bringing disparity and hence it needs to talk about. And forum here is the best option to bring it up so Kabam can look at resolving it in near future, as like they did with AW Season Crystals.

But if you got all 5*'s you wouldn't be here. 🤷

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Zeraphan

Probably instead of making about me or you, would request you to please give reasons on why these crystals are fair to all.

Because everyone who opens it has the same chance to get each tier of reward. No person has an advantage or disadvantage, it is totally random. How is that not fair?

Demonzfyre

Earlier Kabam removed AW Season Crystal in S15 to bring parity to people finishing in similar tier.

Many welcomed the move, a few were unhappy, but overall it did gave an impression that Kabam is moving towards right direction...but we were so wrong!!

Why?? Just look at Crystals you are getting from this month side quest. Many are getting only 3* or 4*s from legendary/ Grandmaster Shattered Crystal while some are enjoying 5*s. How this is right when the effort put by all are similar. Its a different story whether this month rewards are good or not, but don't make it bad for some and good for few when efforts being put are same. Please stop this madness...
AW is 1000 times harder than this side quest. They kept energy at 1 per step plus the whole thing is optional. Abyss of Legends came out before this side quest and is chalk full of RNG rewards. Curious why you chose to compare this side quest to AW rewards instead of something like Abyss where unless you have the right team, your efforts are much more difficult.

Not to mention every quest that exists in this game has RNG rewards, even AW. What if the 5* shards from the AW rewards gives me a 5* and I get Iron Patriot and we ranked #2 Gold 1 but someone who ranked #499 pulls a 5* Aegon.... Is that fair? Technically we worked harder than them.

Everyone uses a backup and most often they are needed. If they just placed defense, they get the same rewards as I do for running a lane. War MVPs get nothing extra for doing all the work. Hows that fair?

Point is, just play the.game. RNG runs this game.
The only reason comparing with AW is to show how they moved towards bringing parity in recent times. Its well known how at times Plat 3/4 were pulling less shards from those crystals in comparison to a G2/3. It was a nice step forward from Kabam.

Yes, I understand not necessarily one get good hero from 5* and so does at time with AGs (I myself has pulled 4Tech and 3Mystic till date and no other class) but atleast you are getting a 5* or AG. Yes one can't compare Aegon with IP, and thats a bigger issue which Kabam should have addressed way back.

However, if one putting similar effort and getting only 3* or 4* and other person getting 5 5*, how this is correct?
Its "correct" because you choose to do the content or not which means you've accepted the rewards you get.
Nope, I do the content as I enjoy playing this game. I have issue with this side EQ because the rewards are bringing disparity and hence it needs to talk about. And forum here is the best option to bring it up so Kabam can look at resolving it in near future, as like they did with AW Season Crystals.
But if you got all 5*'s you wouldn't be here. 🤷
I would be bragging about it here on forum so you can click disagree button...lol

But the issue is not about me, but a general issue which many are writing on about in different threads. Hope you have noticed few post about pulls in the past few days.

Its an issue which Kabam can very much address, as they did with AW season crystal. So don't understand whats wrong in bringing it up. Criticism at times also helps in ironing out any wrong.

Probably instead of making about me or you, would request you to please give reasons on why these crystals are fair to all.

They are fair because everyone has the same chance at each rarity.

People posts bad pulls way more often than people post about good pulls.

Facts are that you are getting the same rewards for the same effort. People just dont always like their pulls.

I've pulled all 3*. I don't really care, its about the other stuff im getting.

J0eySn0w

I simply don't understand these arguments. You are upset because someone got the same crystal as you, and even though everyone has the same chance to pull each tier of champ, the fact that they got a 5* while you got a 3* is somehow unfair?

If two people completed the same event and one was rewarded a 3* crystal and the other a 5* crystal, sure, that would be unfair.

This is like saying it isn't fair that I bought a lottery ticket and put in the same effort that the guy next to me put in and I didn't win anything and he won the lottery.

I was liking your comment but got confused. Tayyab82's point is they both completed the same event and got the same rewards [ a crystal with a chance at 3, 4 or 5 star]. Now if these two opens the rewards or crystals some get 5stars and others 3&4stars. I myself have been fortunate with these crystals, I'm happy with my overall outcomes could have been better but I'm content.

So he's pointing out that rewards shouldn't be design to have the lottery setting or feel given the same efforts but in the quest. Kabam appreciates feedback from summers to continue to make the game better. This is one of them eventhough it's coming out of frustration, like what some customers do. Some have made good points, about how we could have the option to just for 4 and 5 shards or gamble big for for either a 3, 4 or 5 star champ. It's a good idea, giving each summoner the opportunity to decide on what they want. That way, RNG is bit restrained.

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Zeraphan

Probably instead of making about me or you, would request you to please give reasons on why these crystals are fair to all.

Because everyone who opens it has the same chance to get each tier of reward. No person has an advantage or disadvantage, it is totally random. How is that not fair?
Effort = Same
Result -15 3*/4* vs Multiple 5*s

Yup, that is how RNG works. This game is entirely based on that. Because luck might not have favored you does not mean you did not have the same equal opportunity that everyone else had.

In this thread Mojo the poster got 4 5* 2 of which were Mojo. I bought 10 crystals and did not get 4 5*'s, I also did not get 1 Mojo of any level. Is that unfair? No, because we all had the same chance. Am I bummed that my luck wasn't better, absoutely, but life goes on.

I think what y'all are doing is confusing Equal and Equitable. You don't want everyone to have the same chance (equal) you want to make sure that everyone is on the same field no matter what (equitable).

Here you can see the difference represented visually.

Demonzfyre

Probably instead of making about me or you, would request you to please give reasons on why these crystals are fair to all.

Because everyone who opens it has the same chance to get each tier of reward. No person has an advantage or disadvantage, it is totally random. How is that not fair?
Effort = Same
Result -15 3*/4* vs Multiple 5*s

Maybe it's time to find a game that doesn't offer those rewards for you.

Remeli

You guys are just being obtuse.

He brings a very good point. Kabam doesnt have to put in rewards with such a huge difference in potential rewards. Thats why bringing the exemple of War crystal makes sense. Kabam finally realised the difference in rewards was too much and changed it.

Thats all the OP is asking. Instead of making 4-5* crystal makes it only 4 or only 5* crystal. The RNG is already big enough in a 5* crystal as some ppl will get Ghost while other will get Groot for the same effort. It would still suck for whoever gets Groot but at least he will have a 5* for the effort instead of getting a 4* Groot while someone else gets a 5* Ghost for the exact same effort.

I was lucky enough to get two 5* out of this side event and i still think its dumb that most people are getting 3* and 4* for doing the same thing i did. RNG is the name of the game and its cool with me but imo the rng has too big of a spread in this case.

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Zeraphan

The picture is exactly the point. Roster A has all 5* (tall guy) roster B has all 3* (short guy) yet they are given the exact same thing in the first picture (so treated equally) and in the second picture the short guy gets more so he is on the same advantage as the tall guy.

Equal - they have different results (RNG) from the same crystal.
Equitable - guy with all 3*s will pull a 5* so that other guy doesn't have the advantage anymore.

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Zeraphan

You are the one not getting it. You want non RNG rewards in a game based on RNG. People have been very polite in saying that over and over. The only way to make this "fair" according to you is to have no RNG at all. That isn't going to happen here.

I am not going to waste any more energy on this thread.

Demonzfyre

This IS about you as you are the one that created this thread. There is no chance at all that if you pulled all 5*'s that you have made this post. You are here because you feel slighted. You are trying to make this about the masses but it's really about you, and your pulls.

Looking at your posting history, you come here to complain and never to celebrate your pulls. Again, you want "fair for all" but really you just want better rewards for yourself.

Octoberstack

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It's not about me, but the disparity in rewards which Kabam can address a.l.a Season rewards. All I am asking is for better rewards system without any disparity. They can avoid such crystals for effort based pulls and maybe give option to allow people to buy items from shards as like last month, tone up or down as per how they want rewards to be but don't make it vague

Also as far as your visual response is concern, nice visual, but no relation here. As two people with similar roster and similar progression has different outcome from these crystals.</blockquote>
Of course it's about you.
If you had pulled multiple great 5*s, you wouldn't be on here trying to change the system. The only reason you hold any animosity towards the current system is because you were not favoured by it, whilst others were. You can phrase it whichever way you like, but ultimately, this post has stemmed from your own personal frustration, and not some noble intent to make things 'fairer' for everyone.

At the end of the day, feedback is feedback, so it's all good. But the poster opposing your arguments also have a fair point - the rewards themselves are fair, as everyone has the same chance to pull each rarity. Sure, you might not like the results, but the rewards system itself isn't fundamentally skewed towards or against any player. The visual provided is actually a good representation of this, regardless of whether you acknowledge it or not.

I'm not saying it's the perfect rewards system, far from it. It could definitely be improved, and it can definitely be altered to provide a smaller range in desirability. But I don't particularly agree with your line of reasoning, nor do I agree with the arguments you present.