Matchmaking started with an hour left on the enlistment timer. I’m guessing due to daylight savings.
I’m already hearing a number of alliances just got locked out of matching this war because the timer said they had 1 hour left and were still making member changes before enlisting.
This season has become such a cluster#%$@!!! With so many problems I just think they should stop the season. Send out a comp package with pots and boosts and start it over. It wouldn't be fair to give out rank rewards since we don't know who should be at what rank considering all the issues and now the matchmaking fiasco.
Rank Rewards are simply based on Points. It's the same as an Arena. You don't place in an Arena based on who should be where. Same with Seasons. You don't occupy a placement automatically, or by default. You place based on the Points you put up compared to the Points others put up. No one is entitled to a placement because that's what they always get. They always get that placement because of the Points they earn. That sounds a bit wordy, but what I'm basically saying is, there's no such thing as should. There's just what the results show.
This season has become such a cluster#%$@!!! With so many problems I just think they should stop the season. Send out a comp package with pots and boosts and start it over. It wouldn't be fair to give out rank rewards since we don't know who should be at what rank considering all the issues and now the matchmaking fiasco.
Rank Rewards are simply based on Points. It's the same as an Arena. You don't place in an Arena based on who should be where. Same with Seasons. You don't occupy a placement automatically, or by default. You place based on the Points you put up compared to the Points others put up. No one is entitled to a placement because that's what they always get. They always get that placement because of the Points they earn. That sounds a bit wordy, but what I'm basically saying is, there's no such thing as should. There's just what the results show.
If 2 teams are close to first place and 1 team misses a war because matchmaking starts early, I don't think it's right that one team is declared the winner. That's just my opinion. Why do u feel the need to reply to every comment? Everyone knows your views on this AW season. Kabam does no wrong and u can't be wrong. That about sums it up.
This season has become such a cluster#%$@!!! With so many problems I just think they should stop the season. Send out a comp package with pots and boosts and start it over. It wouldn't be fair to give out rank rewards since we don't know who should be at what rank considering all the issues and now the matchmaking fiasco.
Rank Rewards are simply based on Points. It's the same as an Arena. You don't place in an Arena based on who should be where. Same with Seasons. You don't occupy a placement automatically, or by default. You place based on the Points you put up compared to the Points others put up. No one is entitled to a placement because that's what they always get. They always get that placement because of the Points they earn. That sounds a bit wordy, but what I'm basically saying is, there's no such thing as should. There's just what the results show.
If 2 teams are close to first place and 1 team misses a war because matchmaking starts early, I don't think it's right that one team is declared the winner. That's just my opinion. Why do u feel the need to reply to every comment? Everyone knows your views on this AW season. Kabam does no wrong and u can't be wrong. That about sums it up.
That's not what I said at all. I didn't even mention anything about the Timer issue. That's obviously an error. The Timer in-game clearly hadn't been updated to reflect DST, and the server automatically does. That would be my guess. I could have pointed out that it's probably best not to wait until the last minute, but the Timer displayed was off. I wasn't talking about that specifically. I said there is no such thing as should. You get out of it what you put into it. There's an underlying assumption that Allies belong in certain Ranks because that's what they typically get, but in reality no one belongs anywhere until they earn the results.
Any updates? I sent an email and I was advised we will have updates this week and it is already thursday and the weekend is near. Not just war rating was affected and the multiplier, but now I wake up with ppl leaving as we dropped 500 positions!!!
Here's the sad part here for not stopping AW. We were in Tier Challenger when the glitch happened. We lost and dropped to Hard. We won the next AW and we're still in Tier Hard. So we're losing points again and again.
Another day same question, whats the update? I'm sure it was beginning of the week there would be a solution in the banner that was removed. Now its Thursday here and I can't see an update on the forums. In-fact the last I can find was two days ago and with no info of a solution. A little communication would be appreciated by alot of AW players. I understand there is various things that is taking up time i.e Cull/Namor, 6.4, Hour change and knock on effect to some alliances, but all in all this happened a while ago and we're just about to start another war, yet we lack any info/communication. As mods I can understand your frustration as well, but don't you guys have daily briefings and have some communications with other arms of the company?
@Kabam Miike as the season goes on it gets harder and harder to rectify this issue. It’s been radio silence as we “discuss amongst ourselves” in the forum.
The longer it continues, the harder to undo. I have a proposal for you to consider as you look at resolving this.
If you are not canceling the season (which seems to be the case) and you just let this continue knowing there are knock on impacts in all wars since war 4: Give alliances season rewards (when the season ends) based on the higher of the 2 ratings for season rewards. 1) their war ranking after war 4 or 2) their war ranking at the end of the season, whichever is higher. It’s not ideal and it still doesn’t account for the fact that alliances could have climbed beyond their war 4 ranking. It does, however, provide some safeguard to compensate alliances for your error.
I feel bad for those alliances who team members are bailing due to no fault of their own. It could at least give them a reason to stay.
Our 5th war match up was a close war that we only just won, only 15 war rating between us and for the purpose of this example let's assume we had a similar points tally in the season. As a consequence of war rating not being frozen, we now have a war rating 100 points greater than theirs. This results in us facing the likelihood of a tougher match up in war 6 without the points benefit from war 5. In fact in our next war we faced an alliance with a rating 100 points greater than ours and no surprises, we lost. The alliance we faced in the 5th war had a much better chance of an easier match up and winning their 6th. At this point, there's every chance they won their easier war, we're both back to the same rating, fought the same number of wars but they're now 250-300k points ahead. We beat them fair and square in war 5 but end up disadvantaged as a consequence.
I have some news for you, but there is probably still more to come.
First, any Alliance that received a Loss or Tie for War 5 will be compensated with their War Rating returned.
All Alliances that took Part in War 5 will receive Per War Reward Compensation (win/exploration rewards, unless you already received them).
The Season Score for that war will be Removed from all Alliances.
There are still issue that need to be addressed, and we will get to those as soon as we can.
Will alliances that have won have their war rating reduced also?
If it was War 5, yes. That was the "War that doesn't count"
Well at least it is something. It does not address any of the cascading effects of not freezing the war rating of war 5 that resulted in many alliances near the cutoff of tiers being in the wrong tier for 2 wars at least. Will there be any type of plan for this?
That's a bit more complex I think. Being on the cusp doesn't guarantee they will win and move up. Not saying nothing could or should be done. Just pointing out that it brings me back to one of my previous statements. It's hard to compensate potential. They might have won and gone up. They might have lost and not.
I have some news for you, but there is probably still more to come.
First, any Alliance that received a Loss or Tie for War 5 will be compensated with their War Rating returned.
All Alliances that took Part in War 5 will receive Per War Reward Compensation (win/exploration rewards, unless you already received them).
The Season Score for that war will be Removed from all Alliances.
There are still issue that need to be addressed, and we will get to those as soon as we can.
Will alliances that have won have their war rating reduced also?
If it was War 5, yes. That was the "War that doesn't count"
Well at least it is something. It does not address any of the cascading effects of not freezing the war rating of war 5 that resulted in many alliances near the cutoff of tiers being in the wrong tier for 2 wars at least. Will there be any type of plan for this?
That's a bit more complex I think. Being on the cusp doesn't guarantee they will win and move up. Not saying nothing could or should be done. Just pointing out that it brings me back to one of my previous statements. It's hard to compensate potential. They might have won and gone up. They might have lost and not.
I am talking about those on the cusp before war 5 and then because of the result of that war affecting war rating then moved a tier (either up or down) for war 6 where they should not have been. There is no “potential” here, it is what has already happened that I am talking about
They're removing the results, refunding individual Rewards, refunding War Rating, and wiping any Points earned from War 5, so what you're talking about is potential.
I have some news for you, but there is probably still more to come.
First, any Alliance that received a Loss or Tie for War 5 will be compensated with their War Rating returned.
All Alliances that took Part in War 5 will receive Per War Reward Compensation (win/exploration rewards, unless you already received them).
The Season Score for that war will be Removed from all Alliances.
There are still issue that need to be addressed, and we will get to those as soon as we can.
Will alliances that have won have their war rating reduced also?
If it was War 5, yes. That was the "War that doesn't count"
Well at least it is something. It does not address any of the cascading effects of not freezing the war rating of war 5 that resulted in many alliances near the cutoff of tiers being in the wrong tier for 2 wars at least. Will there be any type of plan for this?
That's a bit more complex I think. Being on the cusp doesn't guarantee they will win and move up. Not saying nothing could or should be done. Just pointing out that it brings me back to one of my previous statements. It's hard to compensate potential. They might have won and gone up. They might have lost and not.
I am talking about those on the cusp before war 5 and then because of the result of that war affecting war rating then moved a tier (either up or down) for war 6 where they should not have been. There is no “potential” here, it is what has already happened that I am talking about
They're removing the results, refunding individual Rewards, refunding War Rating, and wiping any Points earned from War 5, so what you're talking about is potential.
I’m sorry, what are you going on about? I’m talking about war 6 and the current war where many alliances will have been in the wrong tier BECAUSE OF WAR 5. You keep using the word “potential” but I don’t think you know what it means. FYI - potential means something that could happen, not something that has already happened.
How can you call it the wrong Tier when the results are wiped? You can't say they would have gone up or down. There's an underlying assumption that had they won, they would have either stayed or gone up. That entire trajectory is invalid because it's dependent on the results of something that's being discounted.
What about alliances that fall into the category quoted below, is any adjustment being made to account for that?
... Our 5th war match up was a close war that we only just won, only 15 war rating between us and for the purpose of this example let's assume we had a similar points tally in the season. As a consequence of war rating not being frozen, we now have a war rating 100 points greater than theirs. This results in us facing the likelihood of a tougher match up in war 6 without the points benefit from war 5. In fact in our next war we faced an alliance with a rating 100 points greater than ours and no surprises, we lost. The alliance we faced in the 5th war had a much better chance of an easier match up and winning their 6th. At this point, there's every chance they won their easier war, we're both back to the same rating, fought the same number of wars but they're now 250-300k points ahead. We beat them fair and square in war 5 but end up disadvantaged as a consequence.
(1) “beat them fair and square in war 5” Actually, no, well at least you don’t really know if you did (or even would have) beaten them fair and square. Kabam had let everyone know well before Attack day started for war 5 (in fact well before a lot of teams had even bothered filling the rest of Defense for that war) that the points would not count. So your opponent could have placed lesser defenders, or used lesser attackers, or decided not to spent on boosts, heals, etc.
(2) RE: the fluctuating Up/Down of War Rating from that war, and effect on matching for War 6... Your alliance does NOT stay in a constant “bubble” of some “fixed” War Rating all season, whereby you always face alliances of the exact same (or close) fixed War Rating number each and every war. By definition, any Win (or Loss), for every single War, will result in the next War being against a slightly higher (or lower) Rated alliance than what you matched against in the previous war. But that doesn’t automatically mean that after you Win one that you will then always Lose the next one (or visa versa). It is extremely unlikely that teams are in such a narrowly defined band that they are limited to always going back and forth every War (WLWLWLWLWLWL). Being bumped up in War Rating by just one single war should not preclude your ability to Win again in the next war (or even potentially 3 or 4 wars in a row).
Nor should 1 extra Win or Loss of the Win Bonus Points be reason to think an entire season to be “ruined”. At worst, it may only affect a small portion of teams that happen to be on the cups between one Medal Tier and the next at the end of the season. But so could any number of other matchups issues during the season that were maybe affected because of some other odd reason or another, or just the luck of the draw,, etc.
I have some news for you, but there is probably still more to come.
First, any Alliance that received a Loss or Tie for War 5 will be compensated with their War Rating returned.
All Alliances that took Part in War 5 will receive Per War Reward Compensation (win/exploration rewards, unless you already received them).
The Season Score for that war will be Removed from all Alliances.
There are still issue that need to be addressed, and we will get to those as soon as we can.
Will alliances that have won have their war rating reduced also?
If it was War 5, yes. That was the "War that doesn't count"
Well at least it is something. It does not address any of the cascading effects of not freezing the war rating of war 5 that resulted in many alliances near the cutoff of tiers being in the wrong tier for 2 wars at least. Will there be any type of plan for this?
That's a bit more complex I think. Being on the cusp doesn't guarantee they will win and move up. Not saying nothing could or should be done. Just pointing out that it brings me back to one of my previous statements. It's hard to compensate potential. They might have won and gone up. They might have lost and not.
I am talking about those on the cusp before war 5 and then because of the result of that war affecting war rating then moved a tier (either up or down) for war 6 where they should not have been. There is no “potential” here, it is what has already happened that I am talking about
They're removing the results, refunding individual Rewards, refunding War Rating, and wiping any Points earned from War 5, so what you're talking about is potential.
I’m sorry, what are you going on about? I’m talking about war 6 and the current war where many alliances will have been in the wrong tier BECAUSE OF WAR 5. You keep using the word “potential” but I don’t think you know what it means. FYI - potential means something that could happen, not something that has already happened.
How can you call it the wrong Tier when the results are wiped? You can't say they would have gone up or down. There's an underlying assumption that had they won, they would have either stayed or gone up. That entire trajectory is invalid because it's dependent on the results of something that's being discounted.</
I guess I will have to spell it out again. Imagine an alliance that is on the t3/t4 edge before war 5. This alliance win/loses war 5 and then they get moved up or down a tier. Based on Kabam’s own statement that war 5 would not affect war rating these alliances are now in the wrong tier for war 6 which has already happened. They will not be able to fix it properly, the damage has been done. Although I am slightly hopeful that something else may be done as per Kabam Miike’s message I can’t see how this can be rectified. The solution is better than nothing so far but it’s far from a good one if this is all it is</p>
There's no need to spell it out. I understood the first time it was said, and you still can't account for were Alliances should have/could have/would have gone when you discount the 5th War. You can't say they would have fallen, stayed the same, or risen. That's not something you can quantify. It's a potential outcome. You can generalize and compensate, but you can't compensate for a projection. "We would have gone up but we're in the wrong Tier." is not something you can assert because "wrong Tier" is an assumption that depends on a possibility of War 5 going a certain way. Making any sense?
Also for reference is a new “Sticky” Thread Mike posted earlier today regarding issues this Season.
First issue (war 5) of which Mike has already updated here in this ongoing thread, but Sticky also includes couple other issues (last war Enlistment 1 hour difference, and overall Season ending timer issue)...
I have some news for you, but there is probably still more to come.
First, any Alliance that received a Loss or Tie for War 5 will be compensated with their War Rating returned.
All Alliances that took Part in War 5 will receive Per War Reward Compensation (win/exploration rewards, unless you already received them).
The Season Score for that war will be Removed from all Alliances.
There are still issue that need to be addressed, and we will get to those as soon as we can.
Will alliances that have won have their war rating reduced also?
If it was War 5, yes. That was the "War that doesn't count"
Well at least it is something. It does not address any of the cascading effects of not freezing the war rating of war 5 that resulted in many alliances near the cutoff of tiers being in the wrong tier for 2 wars at least. Will there be any type of plan for this?
That's a bit more complex I think. Being on the cusp doesn't guarantee they will win and move up. Not saying nothing could or should be done. Just pointing out that it brings me back to one of my previous statements. It's hard to compensate potential. They might have won and gone up. They might have lost and not.
I am talking about those on the cusp before war 5 and then because of the result of that war affecting war rating then moved a tier (either up or down) for war 6 where they should not have been. There is no “potential” here, it is what has already happened that I am talking about
They're removing the results, refunding individual Rewards, refunding War Rating, and wiping any Points earned from War 5, so what you're talking about is potential.
I’m sorry, what are you going on about? I’m talking about war 6 and the current war where many alliances will have been in the wrong tier BECAUSE OF WAR 5. You keep using the word “potential” but I don’t think you know what it means. FYI - potential means something that could happen, not something that has already happened.
How can you call it the wrong Tier when the results are wiped? You can't say they would have gone up or down. There's an underlying assumption that had they won, they would have either stayed or gone up. That entire trajectory is invalid because it's dependent on the results of something that's being discounted.</
I guess I will have to spell it out again. Imagine an alliance that is on the t3/t4 edge before war 5. This alliance win/loses war 5 and then they get moved up or down a tier. Based on Kabam’s own statement that war 5 would not affect war rating these alliances are now in the wrong tier for war 6 which has already happened. They will not be able to fix it properly, the damage has been done. Although I am slightly hopeful that something else may be done as per Kabam Miike’s message I can’t see how this can be rectified. The solution is better than nothing so far but it’s far from a good one if this is all it is</p>
There's no need to spell it out. I understood the first time it was said, and you still can't account for were Alliances should have/could have/would have gone when you discount the 5th War. You can't say they would have fallen, stayed the same, or risen. That's not something you can quantify. It's a potential outcome. You can generalize and compensate, but you can't compensate for a projection. "We would have gone up but we're in the wrong Tier." is not something you can assert because "wrong Tier" is an assumption that depends on a possibility of War 5 going a certain way. Making any sense?
Makes no sense at all. War 5 was supposed to not count (except for requirement for season rewards) according to kabam. So technically war 6 IS war 5 since this season is based on 11 wars. So yes, once again, WRONG TIER
I don't know how people expected an immediate revert back to the way things were before War 5, but that wasn't possible.
What about alliances that fall into the category quoted below, is any adjustment being made to account for that?
... Our 5th war match up was a close war that we only just won, only 15 war rating between us and for the purpose of this example let's assume we had a similar points tally in the season. As a consequence of war rating not being frozen, we now have a war rating 100 points greater than theirs. This results in us facing the likelihood of a tougher match up in war 6 without the points benefit from war 5. In fact in our next war we faced an alliance with a rating 100 points greater than ours and no surprises, we lost. The alliance we faced in the 5th war had a much better chance of an easier match up and winning their 6th. At this point, there's every chance they won their easier war, we're both back to the same rating, fought the same number of wars but they're now 250-300k points ahead. We beat them fair and square in war 5 but end up disadvantaged as a consequence.
(1) “beat them fair and square in war 5” Actually, no, well at least you don’t really know if you did (or even would have) beaten them fair and square. Kabam had let everyone know well before Attack day started for war 5 (in fact well before a lot of teams had even bothered filling the rest of Defense for that war) that the points would not count. So your opponent could have placed lesser defenders, or used lesser attackers, or decided not to spent on boosts, heals, etc.
(2) RE: the fluctuating Up/Down of War Rating from that war, and effect on matching for War 6... Your alliance does NOT stay in a constant “bubble” of some “fixed” War Rating all season, whereby you always face alliances of the exact same (or close) fixed War Rating number each and every war. By definition, any Win (or Loss), for every single War, will result in the next War being against a slightly higher (or lower) Rated alliance than what you matched against in the previous war. But that doesn’t automatically mean that after you Win one that you will then always Lose the next one (or visa versa). It is extremely unlikely that teams are in such a narrowly defined band that they are limited to always going back and forth every War (WLWLWLWLWLWL). Being bumped up in War Rating by just one single war should not preclude your ability to Win again in the next war (or even potentially 3 or 4 wars in a row).
Nor should 1 extra Win or Loss of the Win Bonus Points be reason to think an entire season to be “ruined”. At worst, it may only affect a small portion of teams that happen to be on the cups between one Medal Tier and the next at the end of the season. But so could any number of other matchups issues during the season that were maybe affected because of some other odd reason or another, or just the luck of the draw,, etc.
I've played enough wars to know when both are going at it. I guess you chose to ignore the "our 5th war was a close match up that we only just won". Opposition were boosting and using items, as were we. 100% exploration both teams.
One win can absolutely make or break a season in terms of where you finish. One extra loss last season would have seen us finish p4 rather than p3.
Fairly simple really, my alliance has been put at a disadvantage by winning the 5th war. You've written a long post obviously opposed to mine but you fundamentally failed to address the key point of my quoted post.
So if you disagree that my alliance has been put at a disadvantage to the alliance we beat in the 5th war, please explain how?
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Matchmaking started with an hour left on the enlistment timer. I’m guessing due to daylight savings.
I’m already hearing a number of alliances just got locked out of matching this war because the timer said they had 1 hour left and were still making member changes before enlisting.
I'm sure it was beginning of the week there would be a solution in the banner that was removed. Now its Thursday here and I can't see an update on the forums. In-fact the last I can find was two days ago and with no info of a solution.
A little communication would be appreciated by alot of AW players. I understand there is various things that is taking up time i.e Cull/Namor, 6.4, Hour change and knock on effect to some alliances, but all in all this happened a while ago and we're just about to start another war, yet we lack any info/communication.
As mods I can understand your frustration as well, but don't you guys have daily briefings and have some communications with other arms of the company?
The longer it continues, the harder to undo. I have a proposal for you to consider as you look at resolving this.
If you are not canceling the season (which seems to be the case) and you just let this continue knowing there are knock on impacts in all wars since war 4: Give alliances season rewards (when the season ends) based on the higher of the 2 ratings for season rewards. 1) their war ranking after war 4 or 2) their war ranking at the end of the season, whichever is higher. It’s not ideal and it still doesn’t account for the fact that alliances could have climbed beyond their war 4 ranking. It does, however, provide some safeguard to compensate alliances for your error.
I feel bad for those alliances who team members are bailing due to no fault of their own. It could at least give them a reason to stay.
I have some news for you, but there is probably still more to come.
First, any Alliance that received a Loss or Tie for War 5 will be compensated with their War Rating returned.
All Alliances that took Part in War 5 will receive Per War Reward Compensation (win/exploration rewards, unless you already received them).
The Season Score for that war will be Removed from all Alliances.
There are still issue that need to be addressed, and we will get to those as soon as we can.
Actually, no, well at least you don’t really know if you did (or even would have) beaten them fair and square. Kabam had let everyone know well before Attack day started for war 5 (in fact well before a lot of teams had even bothered filling the rest of Defense for that war) that the points would not count. So your opponent could have placed lesser defenders, or used lesser attackers, or decided not to spent on boosts, heals, etc.
(2) RE: the fluctuating Up/Down of War Rating from that war, and effect on matching for War 6...
Your alliance does NOT stay in a constant “bubble” of some “fixed” War Rating all season, whereby you always face alliances of the exact same (or close) fixed War Rating number each and every war. By definition, any Win (or Loss), for every single War, will result in the next War being against a slightly higher (or lower) Rated alliance than what you matched against in the previous war. But that doesn’t automatically mean that after you Win one that you will then always Lose the next one (or visa versa). It is extremely unlikely that teams are in such a narrowly defined band that they are limited to always going back and forth every War (WLWLWLWLWLWL). Being bumped up in War Rating by just one single war should not preclude your ability to Win again in the next war (or even potentially 3 or 4 wars in a row).
Nor should 1 extra Win or Loss of the Win Bonus Points be reason to think an entire season to be “ruined”. At worst, it may only affect a small portion of teams that happen to be on the cups between one Medal Tier and the next at the end of the season. But so could any number of other matchups issues during the season that were maybe affected because of some other odd reason or another, or just the luck of the draw,, etc.
First issue (war 5) of which Mike has already updated here in this ongoing thread, but Sticky also includes couple other issues (last war Enlistment 1 hour difference, and overall Season ending timer issue)...
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/186157/alliance-war-season-16-known-issues#latest
One win can absolutely make or break a season in terms of where you finish. One extra loss last season would have seen us finish p4 rather than p3.
Fairly simple really, my alliance has been put at a disadvantage by winning the 5th war.
You've written a long post obviously opposed to mine but you fundamentally failed to address the key point of my quoted post.
So if you disagree that my alliance has been put at a disadvantage to the alliance we beat in the 5th war, please explain how?