What about alliances that fall into the category quoted below, is any adjustment being made to account for that?
... Our 5th war match up was a close war that we only just won, only 15 war rating between us and for the purpose of this example let's assume we had a similar points tally in the season. As a consequence of war rating not being frozen, we now have a war rating 100 points greater than theirs. This results in us facing the likelihood of a tougher match up in war 6 without the points benefit from war 5. In fact in our next war we faced an alliance with a rating 100 points greater than ours and no surprises, we lost. The alliance we faced in the 5th war had a much better chance of an easier match up and winning their 6th. At this point, there's every chance they won their easier war, we're both back to the same rating, fought the same number of wars but they're now 250-300k points ahead. We beat them fair and square in war 5 but end up disadvantaged as a consequence.
(1) “beat them fair and square in war 5” Actually, no, well at least you don’t really know if you did (or even would have) beaten them fair and square. Kabam had let everyone know well before Attack day started for war 5 (in fact well before a lot of teams had even bothered filling the rest of Defense for that war) that the points would not count. So your opponent could have placed lesser defenders, or used lesser attackers, or decided not to spent on boosts, heals, etc.
(2) RE: the fluctuating Up/Down of War Rating from that war, and effect on matching for War 6... Your alliance does NOT stay in a constant “bubble” of some “fixed” War Rating all season, whereby you always face alliances of the exact same (or close) fixed War Rating number each and every war. By definition, any Win (or Loss), for every single War, will result in the next War being against a slightly higher (or lower) Rated alliance than what you matched against in the previous war. But that doesn’t automatically mean that after you Win one that you will then always Lose the next one (or visa versa). It is extremely unlikely that teams are in such a narrowly defined band that they are limited to always going back and forth every War (WLWLWLWLWLWL). Being bumped up in War Rating by just one single war should not preclude your ability to Win again in the next war (or even potentially 3 or 4 wars in a row).
Nor should 1 extra Win or Loss of the Win Bonus Points be reason to think an entire season to be “ruined”. At worst, it may only affect a small portion of teams that happen to be on the cups between one Medal Tier and the next at the end of the season. But so could any number of other matchups issues during the season that were maybe affected because of some other odd reason or another, or just the luck of the draw,, etc.
I've played enough wars to know when both are going at it. I guess you chose to ignore the "our 5th war was a close match up that we only just won". Opposition were boosting and using items, as were we. 100% exploration both teams.
One win can absolutely make or break a season in terms of where you finish. One extra loss last season would have seen us finish p4 rather than p3.
Fairly simple really, my alliance has been put at a disadvantage by winning the 5th war. You've written a long post obviously opposed to mine but you fundamentally failed to address the key point of my quoted post.
So if you disagree that my alliance has been put at a disadvantage to the alliance we beat in the 5th war, please explain how?
Where you finish is entirely dependent on Points. The Points you put up compared to the Points others put up. Returning the War Rating lost and removing the Points won from all Alliances in the 5th War affects the final result. No matter who does what until the end of the Season, that has an affect on everyone's Rank.
Heads up everybody! The War Rating fix should be coming soon! We're starting it imminently, but it could take a while.
Is there some detail on what exactly the fix will do? Will it just put everyone back at exactly the point where they were at between war 4 and 5, or will it also take into account the at this point 2 wars with 2 wins or losses that have taken place in between?
Will everyone just gain/lose the war rating the gained/lost through war 5?
Right now, just the Loss from War 5. We have to restore Season Score, and then see how that affects the actual standings before taking further action. The likelihood of those 2 wars after a score fix affecting your placement this early in the season is very low, but we won't know that for sure until it is fixed.
It'll likely undo the Points from War 5, but it won't undo what's on the board since. That becomes a slippery slope, especially with one War already off the board. However, we're talking about one War variation. As Miike pointed out, restoring that shouldn't affect the standings greatly. Undoing 2 after that just makes it more compounding, and will probably skew things.
Well, the board yes. Leaderboard. When you remove 3 Wars off the board instead of one, it starts to skew things. Meaning undoing the last 2 would likely complicate things more.
Right now, just the Loss from War 5. We have to restore Season Score, and then see how that affects the actual standings before taking further action. The likelihood of those 2 wars after a score fix affecting your placement this early in the season is very low, but we won't know that for sure until it is fixed.
Before the war 5 we were Platinum 2 rank 25 After the war 5 we were platinum 3 rank 22 ! but as you said it will not count we were not worried. We won war 6 and are now back to platinum 2 rank 45
If the war 5 doesn't count, we should be next to platinum 1 now ?
According to the latest stickied thread on these AW issues, a fix has gone out just to remove the War 5 points you gained/lost. Kabam Miike states that "The War Rating adjustment has been completed." However, my alliance is still at the exact same ranking as before.
Has anyone else had their alliance war ratings adjusted or am I misunderstanding what "The War Rating adjustment has been completed" means? Or perhaps they are waiting until this current attack phase of AW ends?
According to the latest stickied thread on these AW issues, a fix has gone out just to remove the War 5 points you gained/lost. Kabam Miike states that "The War Rating adjustment has been completed." However, my alliance is still at the exact same ranking as before.
Has anyone else had their alliance war ratings adjusted or am I misunderstanding what "The War Rating adjustment has been completed" means? Or perhaps they are waiting until this current attack phase of AW ends?
@DementedAlly , Miike said War Rating, not any of the Points yet. And so Ranking (based on Points, different from Rating) hasn’t been adjusted yet.
And keep in mind that the War 5 will still most likely be staying in the History Tab. And any of the corrected Points from recalculation of Tiers (Multiplier) to disregard +/- from War 5 probably won’t be reflected on History Tab later on either. (the other time they readjusted many seasons ago, the History didn’t change, just the overall points did).
Our War Rating has been adjusted back up from the War 5 Loss amount.
And other item (End of Season countdown timer) is now correct as well.
Is there really a way this can be fixed fairly since it has been 2 wars already. The points being reversed is the least of the issues. The war raiting change is huge. If loosing a war automatically dropped your ally a teir and made another ally jump up a tier the discrepancy is huge. Especially if you end the season on the cusp of a bracket. Who is to say you losing that war automatically and getting knocked into teir 5, while the ally you faced won and got knocked into teir 4, Did not make a huge impact on points. With the points falling correctly the ally who automatically lost would have to win two in a row to get back to teir 4 while the ally who won could have just got an extra .5 muiltplier for there next two wars. The allies you face during season are the same allies your competing against for placement. That means they can inch you out by 50k points and take a spot in the next bracket that you would have had. It just seems way to messy to fix in a fair matter. I know the issue it self is out of kabams control and no matter what they do they will have people complaining, but it’s something to think about. Thoughts on this insight @Kabam Miike
Maybe best thing to do for the various teams that may or may not ultimately be affected surrounding the cutoff line between different Medal Rank Tiers would be just INCREASE the # of Ally's that qualify for the various Medal Ranks at end of this Season.
So if an Ally had missed a certain final Medal Rank by some reasonable amount, they would get that higher Rank Reward anyways.
NOT saying that every alliance out there should be given 1 Medal Rank Higher, but that those within proximity to the cutoffs WOULD.
Maybe best thing to do for the various teams that may or may not ultimately be affected surrounding the cutoff line between different Medal Rank Tiers would be just INCREASE the # of Ally's that qualify for the various Medal Ranks at end of this Season.
So if an Ally had missed a certain final Medal Rank by some reasonable amount, they would get that higher Rank Reward anyways.
NOT saying that every alliance out there should be given 1 Medal Rank Higher, but that those within proximity to the cutoffs WOULD.
Problem is, you can't guarantee they would have. Adjusting the War Rating and removing the Points wipes any progress from War 5. It is after all, one War. Had the War not malfunctioned, it would have gone as normal. Someone would have won, someone would have lost, and the Season would have continued. However, we can't say they would have made their cutoff because we can't say they would have won. That's just giving a guarantee that doesn't exist. I mean, I personally don't have any objections to your idea if they choose to do that. I'm just reiterating the point I made before. Being close to the cutoff doesn't entitle Alliances to make it by default. Aside from that, I don't see one War shifting it much, especially when it's being icksnayed.
If you were in that cancelled war, does it count towards your “5 wars” in order to get season rewards? @Kabam Miike
They have already said, YES, that cancelled war still counts towards the minimum participation of 5 wars needed for season rewards. Now if you were one of the few alliances that had the SHORT 20 Minute War, and most probably then didn’t even get in either very short Defense or Offense, then you will still need 5 other wars. But if you DID get in (whether short or full war that day), it counts toward individual 5 war requirement.
If you were in that cancelled war, does it count towards your “5 wars” in order to get season rewards? @Kabam Miike
They have already said, YES, that cancelled war still counts towards the minimum participation of 5 wars needed for season rewards. Now if you were one of the few alliances that had the SHORT 20 Minute War, and most probably then didn’t even get in either very short Defense or Offense, then you will still need 5 other wars. But if you DID get in (whether short or full war that day), it counts toward individual 5 war requirement.
I wonder if in addition to nullifying war 5 and issuing compensation (not a write-off) maybe for better or worse, alliances resetting to whatever multiplier they were at pre-5 would be viable. Not a perfect fix, but a start.
When the war no.5 will be cancelled and when are we going to receive the points lost by the multiplier? The season is almost done and we need to know where we are positioned.
If I was a betting man, I'd put $1 on the following -
War 5 points won't be removed until the season has ended. As a consequence, season rewards will be delayed. No adjustments made for war 6&7 tier multipliers. No adjustments made for war 6&7 skewed matchmaking.
If you read the sticky thread in "bugs and known issues". It reads as though Kabam haven't acknowledged matchmaking and tier multiplier for wars 6&7 as an issue they will be addressing. This is only my opinion but it looks like they're going to brush everything else under the carpet and let the season play out with it's integrity compromised.
If I was a betting man, I'd put $1 on the following -
War 5 points won't be removed until the season has ended. As a consequence, season rewards will be delayed. No adjustments made for war 6&7 tier multipliers. No adjustments made for war 6&7 skewed matchmaking.
If you read the sticky thread in "bugs and known issues". It reads as though Kabam haven't acknowledged matchmaking and tier multiplier for wars 6&7 as an issue they will be addressing. This is only my opinion but it looks like they're going to brush everything else under the carpet and let the season play out with it's integrity compromised.
I believe the same I just want to see if they say it
@Kabam Miike when are the points going to be updated? You’ve adjusted the tier and timer but still not the points. Would be nice to know where we really stand BEFORE the season ends.
You can't adjust Multipliers for Wars 6 and 7. You can't assume where an Alliance should have been because that depends on the results of where they were. Adjusting the War Rating and Points for War 5 is all you can do.
You can't adjust Multipliers for Wars 6 and 7. You can't assume where an Alliance should have been because that depends on the results of where they were. Adjusting the War Rating and Points for War 5 is all you can do.
If they adjust the points for war 5 and it would have changed the tier, then they can/should adjust the points for the future wars based on tier. If you can’t assume what the results will be then you can’t assume a win/lose and have to go based on the teir they were in after war 4. An ally who automatically lost the war and got knocked into a lower tier that took them 2 wins to get out of is being affected a ton and those issues can and should be fixed.
You can't adjust Multipliers for Wars 6 and 7. You can't assume where an Alliance should have been because that depends on the results of where they were. Adjusting the War Rating and Points for War 5 is all you can do.
If they adjust the points for war 5 and it would have changed the tier, then they can/should adjust the points for the future wars based on tier. If you can’t assume what the results will be then you can’t assume a win/lose and have to go based on the teir they were in after war 4. An ally who automatically lost the war and got knocked into a lower tier that took them 2 wins to get out of is being affected a ton and those issues can and should be fixed.
You can't just ignore the Wars that have been fought after War 5.
You can't adjust Multipliers for Wars 6 and 7. You can't assume where an Alliance should have been because that depends on the results of where they were. Adjusting the War Rating and Points for War 5 is all you can do.
If they adjust the points for war 5 and it would have changed the tier, then they can/should adjust the points for the future wars based on tier. If you can’t assume what the results will be then you can’t assume a win/lose and have to go based on the teir they were in after war 4. An ally who automatically lost the war and got knocked into a lower tier that took them 2 wins to get out of is being affected a ton and those issues can and should be fixed.
You can't just ignore the Wars that have been fought after War 5.
Still crickets? It’s getting pretty sad that the season is almost over and nobody knows where they really stand
C’mon @Kabam Miike ..... this isn’t really fair. You have a known issue and alliances don’t know where they stand in season ratings. If you were able to fix war rating so quickly, surely you are able to show the adjusted season standings. Only 8 days left. We deserve an update before the season ends.
@Kabam Miike is our war rating going to be adjusted down before the end of the season? This should not be a difficult question
The War Rating adjustment should have been completed days ago when we said it was. If you don't think it has been, we need more information. You can start with your Alliance's name, and we'll let you know if there is more that we need.
Still crickets? It’s getting pretty sad that the season is almost over and nobody knows where they really stand
C’mon @Kabam Miike ..... this isn’t really fair. You have a known issue and alliances don’t know where they stand in season ratings. If you were able to fix war rating so quickly, surely you are able to show the adjusted season standings. Only 8 days left. We deserve an update before the season ends.
Unfortunately, Season Score is very different than War Rating. It's not nearly as easy. We're working on it and should have more information for you soon.
What are the odds it gets fixed prior to season end? With everything going on, seems unlikely.
The only feasible alternative is to compensate after the season is over...which will also be difficult and will probably necessitate a “please be patient/it will take a couple of weeks” email.
Not the end of the world. But still I understand the frustration.
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After the war 5 we were platinum 3 rank 22 ! but as you said it will not count we were not worried.
We won war 6 and are now back to platinum 2 rank 45
If the war 5 doesn't count, we should be next to platinum 1 now ?
Am i right ?
According to the latest stickied thread on these AW issues, a fix has gone out just to remove the War 5 points you gained/lost. Kabam Miike states that "The War Rating adjustment has been completed." However, my alliance is still at the exact same ranking as before.
Has anyone else had their alliance war ratings adjusted or am I misunderstanding what "The War Rating adjustment has been completed" means? Or perhaps they are waiting until this current attack phase of AW ends?
And keep in mind that the War 5 will still most likely be staying in the History Tab. And any of the corrected Points from recalculation of Tiers (Multiplier) to disregard +/- from War 5 probably won’t be reflected on History Tab later on either. (the other time they readjusted many seasons ago, the History didn’t change, just the overall points did).
Our War Rating has been adjusted back up from the War 5 Loss amount.
And other item (End of Season countdown timer) is now correct as well.
Thoughts on this insight @Kabam Miike
So if an Ally had missed a certain final Medal Rank by some reasonable amount, they would get that higher Rank Reward anyways.
NOT saying that every alliance out there should be given 1 Medal Rank Higher, but that those within proximity to the cutoffs WOULD.
Now if you were one of the few alliances that had the SHORT 20 Minute War, and most probably then didn’t even get in either very short Defense or Offense, then you will still need 5 other wars.
But if you DID get in (whether short or full war that day), it counts toward individual 5 war requirement.
War 5 points won't be removed until the season has ended.
As a consequence, season rewards will be delayed.
No adjustments made for war 6&7 tier multipliers.
No adjustments made for war 6&7 skewed matchmaking.
If you read the sticky thread in "bugs and known issues". It reads as though Kabam haven't acknowledged matchmaking and tier multiplier for wars 6&7 as an issue they will be addressing. This is only my opinion but it looks like they're going to brush everything else under the carpet and let the season play out with it's integrity compromised.
I just want to see if they say it
The only feasible alternative is to compensate after the season is over...which will also be difficult and will probably necessitate a “please be patient/it will take a couple of weeks” email.
Not the end of the world. But still I understand the frustration.
Dr. Zola