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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,831 ★★★★★
    Verzz said:

    Actually 30k seems about what I would set it at. 20k for a Class Crystal. 15 for Featured.

    Just because that’s what you would set it doesn’t mean it’s a good value. 20K might be reasonable for a class crystal but 30K is ridiculous for a nexus.
    It's not ridiculous at all. If you want a choice, you have to pay a cost. The 6* was given for Act 6. You think it's going to be that cheap? 20k to narrow down the RNG to Class. 30k to have your choice of 3 is not unreasonable.
    You say that like it's a PHC. Lol. Put one out for 30k I guarantee people will opt for it. 3 chances at what you want is better than one.
    Yeah because you know what would really make my day? Waiting a while to save up to 30k shards all for me to open a nexus crystal and have to choose between Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight. Oh yeah, that's what I want.
    You have the same ability now. Difference is, you don't have a choice. You get what you get. Suggestions are one thing, but realistic ones are another. I can't see them being swapped outright for the Basics. The Featured for example. You're paying extra for the advantages it provides. Same applies to this Crystal.
    30k is an absolutely ridiculous idea. No sane or veteran player would go for that offer. I'd rather open 3 separate 5* crystals to still end up with a Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight so I could get a decent chunk of 6* shards and get myself closer to 6* Iron Patriot. Quick suggesting absurd cost amounts.
    If they were trying to take down Sinsiter or The Champion I'd wager they would. Let's put this into perspective. They give a Nexus for doing Act 6. Now people are suggesting replacing the Basic with them? I don't care how high expectations are. I can't be the only one who sees the stretch in that. Advantages have a cost, and choosing one of 3 Champs is a pretty big advantage given the system.
    Nobody is saying it shouldn’t cost more. 30k is ridiculous because by the definition of your own crystal you are giving up 3 champs to get 1 champ from the same pool. Which means it is exactly the same thing as seeing the next 3 and keeping all of them or seeing the next 3 and having to choose one of them for the same price. Only a complete fool would go for this nexus for 30k.
    As I said a few comments ago, 30k was an idea because of the symmetry. You're getting 3 choices and it's also the same as the T4 trade-in. I also said I would be open to considering 25k like someone else mentioned. Anything less than 20k and I don't agree at all.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,831 ★★★★★

    Verzz said:

    Actually 30k seems about what I would set it at. 20k for a Class Crystal. 15 for Featured.

    Just because that’s what you would set it doesn’t mean it’s a good value. 20K might be reasonable for a class crystal but 30K is ridiculous for a nexus.
    It's not ridiculous at all. If you want a choice, you have to pay a cost. The 6* was given for Act 6. You think it's going to be that cheap? 20k to narrow down the RNG to Class. 30k to have your choice of 3 is not unreasonable.
    You say that like it's a PHC. Lol. Put one out for 30k I guarantee people will opt for it. 3 chances at what you want is better than one.
    Yeah because you know what would really make my day? Waiting a while to save up to 30k shards all for me to open a nexus crystal and have to choose between Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight. Oh yeah, that's what I want.
    You have the same ability now. Difference is, you don't have a choice. You get what you get. Suggestions are one thing, but realistic ones are another. I can't see them being swapped outright for the Basics. The Featured for example. You're paying extra for the advantages it provides. Same applies to this Crystal.
    30k is an absolutely ridiculous idea. No sane or veteran player would go for that offer. I'd rather open 3 separate 5* crystals to still end up with a Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight so I could get a decent chunk of 6* shards and get myself closer to 6* Iron Patriot. Quick suggesting absurd cost amounts.
    If they were trying to take down Sinsiter or The Champion I'd wager they would. Let's put this into perspective. They give a Nexus for doing Act 6. Now people are suggesting replacing the Basic with them? I don't care how high expectations are. I can't be the only one who sees the stretch in that. Advantages have a cost, and choosing one of 3 Champs is a pretty big advantage given the system.
    Nobody is saying it shouldn’t cost more. 30k is ridiculous because by the definition of your own crystal you are giving up 3 champs to get 1 champ from the same pool. Which means it is exactly the same thing as seeing the next 3 and keeping all of them or seeing the next 3 and having to choose one of them for the same price. Only a complete fool would go for this nexus for 30k.
    As I said a few comments ago, 30k was an idea because of the symmetry. You're getting 3 choices and it's also the same as the T4 trade-in. I also said I would be open to considering 25k like someone else mentioned. Anything less than 20k and I don't agree at all.
    Holy **** you don't get it. Lets say I see a random casino machine with a $10 spin. I have 30 dollars. I ask the employee if I can spend $30 in order to keep one of my three spins, instead of ALL THREE.

    What I'm trying to say is there is absolutely no difference between spending 30k on basic 6* and 30k on nexus 6* besides the fact that you get 1/3 from the nexus and 3/3 with the basics. Your suggested price needs to be something like 20k to make any sense at all.
    Apparently you didn't read what I just said because 20k was in the realm of possibility for me.
  • DomLDomL Posts: 9
    I don't think that the future or this game is about Nexus crystal or not....It's nice to see they want to revamp act7 but for middle player it look so far away from our game reality..... There is tons of people like me who don't even have yet finished 100% act5, who just have a couple of 5*R5 so when they speak about act6 or act7.... well yeah.... The reality and the concerns of lot of people in my aliance is AQ and the Time it take ( with hiding in the toilet to progress) AW and all the investment it takes for a few cristal shards, to probably pull a trash champion, and also wich champion to rank up when it takes so many times to collect those basic 5 catalyst...to a point we always Wonder if it's a good decision to rank UP this champ or another. I Wonder what Kabam is gonna do for us so we can keep playing this game without hiding in the toilet during our job'day hours to progress in AQ or AW😔
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,831 ★★★★★

    KaLyde said:

    Nexus crystals should just replace the current crystal at same cost. You still get 1 champ, you just have a choice, you really get nothing extra, and you can’t fix what’s broke in the value of the game by charging double..., And none of it will matter if they manipulate RNG to keep quality champ pulls low. I have 7 mystic 6*s, if you divide seatins champion list in half For mystics there’s about 12 upper level and 13 lower level. 100% of my mystics are in the lower level. So a choice of would help some, but not sure I’d feel any better with a nexus pull of falcon, IP and Inferioir Iron man.

    But you get the choice to pull the best champ out of three in a nexus. Making it the same cost as regular crystals makes no sense.

    And plus, you shouldn't just not have the regular crystal. It defeats the whole point of the game. I feel like we should just keep the element of RNG in the regular crystals but allow it to be altered, like in the featured or nexus, but at a higher price.
    I think what's colliding here is the is and the ought.

    According to the is-side nexus crystals are nessecarily more valuable than basics, because they are designed and marketed that way. Even giving them away for 30k shards, what would be ridiculous, would still decrease their current value in the game by a lot.

    Most of us are arguing for the ought-side and long story short, rather than being better than basics, they're just a bit less awful. Therefore we basically say they're ought to be extremely affordable or even replace basics entirely for the same price, since what ought to be is what we see as nessecary to try and improve on broader problems.
    I get what you're saying, but there is no point in trying to replace the regular crystals. The game was built on the premise that you would randomly get one champion out of a crystal and you rolled with it. I agree that they should make nexus crystals more accessible to players, but I just don't feel that they should be as cheap as nor replace the regular crystals.

    And yes, I get that as the champion pool increases, the chances of getting a specific champ decreases. That's why I'm all for class-specific crystals, and maybe even themed crystals. But, those have to come at a higher price because you're still manipulating RNG, just like the featureds manipulate RNG as well as provide otherwise non-accessible characters.
    Okay let me try it again.

    Let me start of by saying: everything you said in your last comments is absolutely and 100% correct in the context of what you're trying to convey.

    However, the baseline argument is not "we want nexus crystals". There only is a baseline problem, which is the inaccessibility of certain champs in contrast to the inaccessibility of certain pieces of content without certain champs.

    From that we go on and think about how this current is actually ought to be.

    Making nexus crystals more accessible was one of many suggestions to get from the is to the ought.

    The disconnect in the current discussion is that you argue solely the accessibility of nexus crystals according to the is of the game. And again you're absolutely correct there.

    However, what we actually argue about is the accessibility of nexus crystals according to the much broader ought of the game.

    You logically can not argue against an ought with stating the is and going from there, since the ought per definition entails that the is needs to change.

    Example:

    A: There ought to be no hunger in this world.
    B: But that isn't how our world currently works.

    While there isn't anything inherently incorrect about statement B, it does not actually touch what statement A implies.

    In short:

    We're arguing completely different things here lol.
    More accessible doesn't necessarily translate to replacing the Basics with them, which is one of the suggestions here. Currently, they're barely available. Making them purchasable would have to come with some kind of cost because there's a much greater value in them. It also balances things so that people don't just forego Basics completely.
    You may only be paying for one Champ, but you're also paying for a unique feature that regular RNG doesn't provide. You have the ability to choose from 1 of 3 random outcomes. I suggested 30k because of the symmetry of it. I could reason with your suggestion of 25k. My view is it needs to have a decent cost because it's not your regular Crystal.
    Yeah that's not even remotely what I said, you're still arguing the is against the ought, yada yada yada.

    Please, if you don't understand what I'm saying, don't respond to me. I feel inclined to respond to comments responding to mine, but it's nothing but frustrating if that merely consists of repeating and rephrasing my actual point.
    It was a continuation of what we discussed before. I'm not entirely sure why you're debating ought to. It's an IF. If they do. What ought to and what ought not to is moot. We don't decide what's necessity and what isn't. Logically, it's not an ought. The game could continue relying on the same RNG.
    DISCLAIMER: I do not respond to this comment, I use it as an example.

    To get all of us on the same page here. This is to all those puzzled about why their comments don't get positive resonance, as well as for kabam:

    We do not say: If kabam was going to change things, then this is what we would like to see.

    We do say: There are problems with this game. These are our suggestion on how it ought to be in contrast to how it currently is.

    Let's get this clear, there is no if. There never was. There is an is and there is an ought. Your ought might vary from mine, either to an extend or completely, but there logically, from the core basis of what this thread is about, there logically needs to be an is and an ought.

    Saying there logically is no ought is absolutely baffling. If you think or say there is no ought, then all that shows is that you might want to start again at page 1 of this thread and not comment until you actually comprehended what this thread is about.

    Can we please stick to providing constructive feedback to the ought instead of mindlessly comparing it to the is? That does not logically follow.

    Again, an example, a clearer one:

    A: This game ought to be less time consuming.
    B: But this game is time consuming.

    If you can not understand what I tried to convey in this comment, please restrain from responding on the basis of that lack of understanding.

    Please, do not derail this discussion from the ought to the is, or even worse to a completely fictional if.
    I'm afraid you're wrong. Sharing suggestions and ideas is exactly the reason we're here. While they may not all be used, or at all, the Forum is a place where adding suggestions is the ideal way to offer constructive feedback. Sharing that there is a problem over and over does nothing to give solutions and ideas on how to rectify it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,831 ★★★★★
    Verzz said:

    Verzz said:

    Actually 30k seems about what I would set it at. 20k for a Class Crystal. 15 for Featured.

    Just because that’s what you would set it doesn’t mean it’s a good value. 20K might be reasonable for a class crystal but 30K is ridiculous for a nexus.
    It's not ridiculous at all. If you want a choice, you have to pay a cost. The 6* was given for Act 6. You think it's going to be that cheap? 20k to narrow down the RNG to Class. 30k to have your choice of 3 is not unreasonable.
    You say that like it's a PHC. Lol. Put one out for 30k I guarantee people will opt for it. 3 chances at what you want is better than one.
    Yeah because you know what would really make my day? Waiting a while to save up to 30k shards all for me to open a nexus crystal and have to choose between Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight. Oh yeah, that's what I want.
    You have the same ability now. Difference is, you don't have a choice. You get what you get. Suggestions are one thing, but realistic ones are another. I can't see them being swapped outright for the Basics. The Featured for example. You're paying extra for the advantages it provides. Same applies to this Crystal.
    30k is an absolutely ridiculous idea. No sane or veteran player would go for that offer. I'd rather open 3 separate 5* crystals to still end up with a Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight so I could get a decent chunk of 6* shards and get myself closer to 6* Iron Patriot. Quick suggesting absurd cost amounts.
    If they were trying to take down Sinsiter or The Champion I'd wager they would. Let's put this into perspective. They give a Nexus for doing Act 6. Now people are suggesting replacing the Basic with them? I don't care how high expectations are. I can't be the only one who sees the stretch in that. Advantages have a cost, and choosing one of 3 Champs is a pretty big advantage given the system.
    Nobody is saying it shouldn’t cost more. 30k is ridiculous because by the definition of your own crystal you are giving up 3 champs to get 1 champ from the same pool. Which means it is exactly the same thing as seeing the next 3 and keeping all of them or seeing the next 3 and having to choose one of them for the same price. Only a complete fool would go for this nexus for 30k.
    As I said a few comments ago, 30k was an idea because of the symmetry. You're getting 3 choices and it's also the same as the T4 trade-in. I also said I would be open to considering 25k like someone else mentioned. Anything less than 20k and I don't agree at all.
    20k is still way too much if we are assuming that it’s coming from the same pool because would still be effectively stunting your growth by half in the long run if you kept buying this crystal. The t4cc “trade-in” is a joke and only marginally better than just letting them expire. But I guess if you are happy with deals like that then almost anything is acceptable for you.
    I disagree with anything less than 20k. A Nexus Crystal is much more than a chance at a Champ. It's a chance to bypass the RNG 2 more times. That's unique and valuable. No matter how you look at it, RNG is the structure the entire game has been built on in terms of Rewards, and even content.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,831 ★★★★★

    KaLyde said:

    Nexus crystals should just replace the current crystal at same cost. You still get 1 champ, you just have a choice, you really get nothing extra, and you can’t fix what’s broke in the value of the game by charging double..., And none of it will matter if they manipulate RNG to keep quality champ pulls low. I have 7 mystic 6*s, if you divide seatins champion list in half For mystics there’s about 12 upper level and 13 lower level. 100% of my mystics are in the lower level. So a choice of would help some, but not sure I’d feel any better with a nexus pull of falcon, IP and Inferioir Iron man.

    But you get the choice to pull the best champ out of three in a nexus. Making it the same cost as regular crystals makes no sense.

    And plus, you shouldn't just not have the regular crystal. It defeats the whole point of the game. I feel like we should just keep the element of RNG in the regular crystals but allow it to be altered, like in the featured or nexus, but at a higher price.
    I think what's colliding here is the is and the ought.

    According to the is-side nexus crystals are nessecarily more valuable than basics, because they are designed and marketed that way. Even giving them away for 30k shards, what would be ridiculous, would still decrease their current value in the game by a lot.

    Most of us are arguing for the ought-side and long story short, rather than being better than basics, they're just a bit less awful. Therefore we basically say they're ought to be extremely affordable or even replace basics entirely for the same price, since what ought to be is what we see as nessecary to try and improve on broader problems.
    I get what you're saying, but there is no point in trying to replace the regular crystals. The game was built on the premise that you would randomly get one champion out of a crystal and you rolled with it. I agree that they should make nexus crystals more accessible to players, but I just don't feel that they should be as cheap as nor replace the regular crystals.

    And yes, I get that as the champion pool increases, the chances of getting a specific champ decreases. That's why I'm all for class-specific crystals, and maybe even themed crystals. But, those have to come at a higher price because you're still manipulating RNG, just like the featureds manipulate RNG as well as provide otherwise non-accessible characters.
    Okay let me try it again.

    Let me start of by saying: everything you said in your last comments is absolutely and 100% correct in the context of what you're trying to convey.

    However, the baseline argument is not "we want nexus crystals". There only is a baseline problem, which is the inaccessibility of certain champs in contrast to the inaccessibility of certain pieces of content without certain champs.

    From that we go on and think about how this current is actually ought to be.

    Making nexus crystals more accessible was one of many suggestions to get from the is to the ought.

    The disconnect in the current discussion is that you argue solely the accessibility of nexus crystals according to the is of the game. And again you're absolutely correct there.

    However, what we actually argue about is the accessibility of nexus crystals according to the much broader ought of the game.

    You logically can not argue against an ought with stating the is and going from there, since the ought per definition entails that the is needs to change.

    Example:

    A: There ought to be no hunger in this world.
    B: But that isn't how our world currently works.

    While there isn't anything inherently incorrect about statement B, it does not actually touch what statement A implies.

    In short:

    We're arguing completely different things here lol.
    More accessible doesn't necessarily translate to replacing the Basics with them, which is one of the suggestions here. Currently, they're barely available. Making them purchasable would have to come with some kind of cost because there's a much greater value in them. It also balances things so that people don't just forego Basics completely.
    You may only be paying for one Champ, but you're also paying for a unique feature that regular RNG doesn't provide. You have the ability to choose from 1 of 3 random outcomes. I suggested 30k because of the symmetry of it. I could reason with your suggestion of 25k. My view is it needs to have a decent cost because it's not your regular Crystal.
    Yeah that's not even remotely what I said, you're still arguing the is against the ought, yada yada yada.

    Please, if you don't understand what I'm saying, don't respond to me. I feel inclined to respond to comments responding to mine, but it's nothing but frustrating if that merely consists of repeating and rephrasing my actual point.
    It was a continuation of what we discussed before. I'm not entirely sure why you're debating ought to. It's an IF. If they do. What ought to and what ought not to is moot. We don't decide what's necessity and what isn't. Logically, it's not an ought. The game could continue relying on the same RNG.
    DISCLAIMER: I do not respond to this comment, I use it as an example.

    To get all of us on the same page here. This is to all those puzzled about why their comments don't get positive resonance, as well as for kabam:

    We do not say: If kabam was going to change things, then this is what we would like to see.

    We do say: There are problems with this game. These are our suggestion on how it ought to be in contrast to how it currently is.

    Let's get this clear, there is no if. There never was. There is an is and there is an ought. Your ought might vary from mine, either to an extend or completely, but there logically, from the core basis of what this thread is about, there logically needs to be an is and an ought.

    Saying there logically is no ought is absolutely baffling. If you think or say there is no ought, then all that shows is that you might want to start again at page 1 of this thread and not comment until you actually comprehended what this thread is about.

    Can we please stick to providing constructive feedback to the ought instead of mindlessly comparing it to the is? That does not logically follow.

    Again, an example, a clearer one:

    A: This game ought to be less time consuming.
    B: But this game is time consuming.

    If you can not understand what I tried to convey in this comment, please restrain from responding on the basis of that lack of understanding.

    Please, do not derail this discussion from the ought to the is, or even worse to a completely fictional if.
    I'm afraid you're wrong. Sharing suggestions and ideas is exactly the reason we're here. While they may not all be used, or at all, the Forum is a place where adding suggestions is the ideal way to offer constructive feedback. Sharing that there is a problem over and over does nothing to give solutions and ideas on how to rectify it.
    You're referring to this part:

    We do say: There are problems with this game. These are our suggestion on how it ought to be in contrast to how it currently is.

    Anything else doesn't follow. So you literally either deliberately only referred to half of this part, or you lost your ability to read halfway through.

    Why are you like this?
    This is word soup. If you can't address my ideas without pigeon holing them and twisting them, then just skim over them. You're accusing me of derailing and you're just muddling my ideas.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,831 ★★★★★
    DrZola said:

    @Spicyslicer wouldn’t have been unreasonable to simply remove the 1K5* shards and 100 6* shards as an option and distribute those %s across all the other prizes. Honestly, I would be fine if I got 18 runs of 5* stones. Instead I’ve gotten worse than you (3X 1000 5*, 1X tech stones, 1X 100 6*).

    Luckily, none of the AGs I’ve seen were ones I wanted. So it’s 10 more runs to gather intel for a chrono.

    Dr. Zola

    I can't complain. I've pulled a Science Gem and a Mystic one for Doom. It's all in the rolls.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,831 ★★★★★
    Knation said:

    Actually 30k seems about what I would set it at. 20k for a Class Crystal. 15 for Featured.

    Just because that’s what you would set it doesn’t mean it’s a good value. 20K might be reasonable for a class crystal but 30K is ridiculous for a nexus.
    It's not ridiculous at all. If you want a choice, you have to pay a cost. The 6* was given for Act 6. You think it's going to be that cheap? 20k to narrow down the RNG to Class. 30k to have your choice of 3 is not unreasonable.
    You say that like it's a PHC. Lol. Put one out for 30k I guarantee people will opt for it. 3 chances at what you want is better than one.
    Yeah because you know what would really make my day? Waiting a while to save up to 30k shards all for me to open a nexus crystal and have to choose between Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight. Oh yeah, that's what I want.
    You have the same ability now. Difference is, you don't have a choice. You get what you get. Suggestions are one thing, but realistic ones are another. I can't see them being swapped outright for the Basics. The Featured for example. You're paying extra for the advantages it provides. Same applies to this Crystal.
    30k is an absolutely ridiculous idea. No sane or veteran player would go for that offer. I'd rather open 3 separate 5* crystals to still end up with a Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight so I could get a decent chunk of 6* shards and get myself closer to 6* Iron Patriot. Quick suggesting absurd cost amounts.
    If they were trying to take down Sinsiter or The Champion I'd wager they would. Let's put this into perspective. They give a Nexus for doing Act 6. Now people are suggesting replacing the Basic with them? I don't care how high expectations are. I can't be the only one who sees the stretch in that. Advantages have a cost, and choosing one of 3 Champs is a pretty big advantage given the system.
    30k 6* shards for a nexus I’m sorry what? What would even be the point of that that’s literally throwing away the other 2 champs you would have gotten nexus should only be 15k 20k at max
    What do you think people would prefer? Take their chances one at a time and pull what they pull, or pay a cost and have their choice of 3? I'd say they would. 20k I could see. Same cost as a Featured, not at all.
  • H3t3rH3t3r Posts: 2,336 ★★★★★

    Knation said:

    Actually 30k seems about what I would set it at. 20k for a Class Crystal. 15 for Featured.

    Just because that’s what you would set it doesn’t mean it’s a good value. 20K might be reasonable for a class crystal but 30K is ridiculous for a nexus.
    It's not ridiculous at all. If you want a choice, you have to pay a cost. The 6* was given for Act 6. You think it's going to be that cheap? 20k to narrow down the RNG to Class. 30k to have your choice of 3 is not unreasonable.
    You say that like it's a PHC. Lol. Put one out for 30k I guarantee people will opt for it. 3 chances at what you want is better than one.
    Yeah because you know what would really make my day? Waiting a while to save up to 30k shards all for me to open a nexus crystal and have to choose between Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight. Oh yeah, that's what I want.
    You have the same ability now. Difference is, you don't have a choice. You get what you get. Suggestions are one thing, but realistic ones are another. I can't see them being swapped outright for the Basics. The Featured for example. You're paying extra for the advantages it provides. Same applies to this Crystal.
    30k is an absolutely ridiculous idea. No sane or veteran player would go for that offer. I'd rather open 3 separate 5* crystals to still end up with a Groot, Superior Iron man, and Moon Knight so I could get a decent chunk of 6* shards and get myself closer to 6* Iron Patriot. Quick suggesting absurd cost amounts.
    If they were trying to take down Sinsiter or The Champion I'd wager they would. Let's put this into perspective. They give a Nexus for doing Act 6. Now people are suggesting replacing the Basic with them? I don't care how high expectations are. I can't be the only one who sees the stretch in that. Advantages have a cost, and choosing one of 3 Champs is a pretty big advantage given the system.
    30k 6* shards for a nexus I’m sorry what? What would even be the point of that that’s literally throwing away the other 2 champs you would have gotten nexus should only be 15k 20k at max
    What do you think people would prefer? Take their chances one at a time and pull what they pull, or pay a cost and have their choice of 3? I'd say they would. 20k I could see. Same cost as a Featured, not at all.
    I disagree a nexus shouldn't cost any more than 20k. But I also think maybe nexus crystals aren't the best way to reduce the Rng aspect. You know they had that champion selector in the arena maybe bring that back for like an AOL 2.0 or something like that. Or like someone said earlier Crystals for certain tags or abilitys. Maybe a #avengers tag or along the lines or that.
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