What's too fast too soon based in all the other resources being available to rank but gold? Over a month to get enough gold to take one champ from R4 to R5 is pretty slow and limits ranking up anyone else. I'm pretty sure he spends considerably, but I'd let him answer since you and I can only guess. Most people don't have 90m gold banked away and 1.5m rosters. I'm not jealous of his gold, just tired of those with gold, who spend, saying how easy it is to get gold. Go check out KT1 YouTube and his thoughts on it too with his new baby account.
If you're cavalier in around a year's time you've spent basically a quarter or less of the time as a lot of end game players have building up their rosters. You don't deserve to get fast tracked any more than you already have been than someone else that spent years in the game.
This isn't a game where a new player is supposed to "catch up" to someone that's been playing from the beginning, especially as a f2p player.
If you've pushed yourself too far too fast to support natural roster growth, the game is going to slow you down with resource limitation. That's not a problem with the game design but a problem with you being impatient. Newer players already have so much more access to champions and rank resources than most of us did it's not even funny.
I for one have been in this game since the beginning, with a break after patch 12.0 up until about Gwen pool goes to the movies. I have never been one for arena, and have done act 6 and almost all the content in the game. Still very little gold. Although I see how me just not being my stubborn self and doing arena would help. Thanks guys for bringing me into the light lol
Wait if you’ve completed all the variants and have 12 3-4 gems I assume you’re a pretty endgame player, so how is ISO a problem? I’m nowhere near endgame status, i haven’t even got cavalier, and I’m securing enough dupes from 4 and even 5 star champions to rank/level up whoever I want pretty much whenever I want. You must be doing something wrong because yes, gold could be a problem, but you can sell red no way you don’t have tons of that
I'm at 50k gold (just finished r5 fury) I have max class t4c, hordered crystals t4c crystals, sell t4b left right and center, have multiple r3 and r4 gems, what i don't have is iso and gold. My next work on is probably my 5* torch so he is new and r1. R1 to r5 will cost me (if I use only science iso costs more to use other) 2,543,287. Can't sell iso cause got 5 iso pieces now. Eq is 100 all difficulties bar normal. When you start ranking higher end champs up selling iso isn't a real option because you need it and gold. That becomes a spender option buy crystals to sell iso rinse and repeat till you get enough of both. Add in the 6* problem just to max lvl1 is another 425680 cost (same as before cost goes up if not all correct cost).
Unless you grind the hell out of arena you can't keep up. I am stuck at a point where I have resources galore (I'm backed down to boot silver alliance low aq for no donations).
I'm not a massive arena grinder current arenas I'm at 3m milestones in feature 5, and unlocked rank in other ones. I'll do some more after maintenance. I do the incursions, I use glory for the gold crystals (what good are more cats I can't use).
The state of the game is you can acquire resources really fast but you are hampered by gold. I'm not doing anything fancy, map 4 alliance for last 6 months and still have too many cats and my hoard just grows because of gold.
I can relate to this post alot... I bought the sigil and I wish it was at least every 3 days 120k isn't alot per week especially with the price of ranking so many champs.. btw how do the YouTubers like prof have 100 mill coins
I can relate to this post alot... I bought the sigil and I wish it was at least every 3 days 120k isn't alot per week especially with the price of ranking so many champs.. btw how do the YouTubers like prof have 100 mill coins
Prof is the most insane arena grinder on this planet though.
I can relate to this post alot... I bought the sigil and I wish it was at least every 3 days 120k isn't alot per week especially with the price of ranking so many champs.. btw how do the YouTubers like prof have 100 mill coins
Prof is the most insane arena grinder on this planet though.
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
Is there a gold problem? Lol
How many Cavs do you buy on average and how many greater gifting did you buy? You have to be spending to have that kind of gold. Clearly it's not an issue for everyone, especially those spending a lot of money on the game.
You don't need to spend cash to get a lot of gold from the arena. A few hours a day is enough to gain more gold than most players could likely sustain spending.
I'm not sure where the idea emerged that people with a lot of gold spend a lot on Cavs. I only buy Cavs with units I gain from the arena, so they are all free (at least, I'm not spending any cash on them), and they are the least important source of gold for me. I literally calculated all the gold, BC, and units you can get from the arena and posted a thread with all the numbers, and it is huge, but for some reason people keep characterizing the arena as something you have to spend ludicrous amounts of time on or have no life to do. I mean, my gold keeps going up and I don't do any of the things people say you have to do, so apparently the gold fairy keeps adding gold to my account when I'm sleeping.
For me, doing a few hours of arena a day, often while watching Youtube or TV, so I am *literally* spending no extra time doing it, is far easier and requires far less dedicated time than, say, running Map 6 constantly. Having to stop what I'm doing to run a path, and a path that requires my full attention at that, on every day of the week in a rotating fashion, is far more disruptive. This morning I did a couple rounds of arena with one hand while eating my morning oatmeal. I consider those rounds to be basically zero net time out of my day. So someone saying you have to have no life to grind arena while other players are busy pretending to go to the bathroom to move in AQ during the work week is honestly not impressing me with their game play perspective.
Also, it’s a game with 170 champions. I’d like the opportunity to play with those 170 champions, not just the 1 R4 or whatever you can afford each month.
It's just ridiculous to think anyone should be able to get the resources to rank up all their champs quickly! If you practiced resource management and intelligent rank ups, there wouldn't be a resource issue. There are so many ways to get gold these days. If you don't want to put in the time or the cash needed for this game, then don't complain.
I put a lot of time into the game and manage my resources pretty well. It doesn’t change the fact that I’ve got around 50 R1 5*s that I’m just never going to use because gold is in such short supply. I’ve got a lot of highly ranked champs, and a lot that I would like to rank.
The fact that ‘cash’, or grind arena for an hour or two a day is the answer to gold is farcical.
I have over 80 5* and I can bring all to r2 at least (10 of which at r4 or above and majority at r3). Once again I think you really need to figure out your own gold exploration and usage pattern or otherwise you can never break through the bottleneck. Gold problem is acknowledged but it is far from being a crisis. Just like I have T1a shortage regularly but I can figure out how to resolve and maintain 30k SA contribution to the alliance each week.
I never said it was a crisis. At no point have I said I want to rank all of my champions at once, I have well over 30 R4+ 5*, I know how to manage my resources. My problem is that every now and then it’d be fun to break out an average-bad champion but I can never justify the gold to rank them up because it’s needed elsewhere.
Arena is the best source of gold, never disputed that, but if you want to make more than 1 decent rank up you have either got to grind arena - which is actually less enjoyable than my job - or sell ISO. If you factor in AQ costs on top of that it isn’t great.
The fact that it is so grind-led is beginning to leach the fun out of it.
So what’s your post title “Gold Crisis” mean?
If you have roster like this, actually you should have some ways to manage your resources. No one said you have to rank up all at once. What I said is I can keep ranking up even some champs I never put on the field. Thus you need to work out your own way as there is so many variables in making such decision.
Again, I said gold issue is presence yet it is in relative sense. Never denied the issue is here, just some players really get through it. Arena is a choice. Sigil is a choice. Sell iso is also a choice. And you have to make a choice if you see gold shortage a problem or “crisis”.
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
Is there a gold problem? Lol
How many Cavs do you buy on average and how many greater gifting did you buy? You have to be spending to have that kind of gold. Clearly it's not an issue for everyone, especially those spending a lot of money on the game.
You don't need to spend cash to get a lot of gold from the arena. A few hours a day is enough to gain more gold than most players could likely sustain spending.
I'm not sure where the idea emerged that people with a lot of gold spend a lot on Cavs. I only buy Cavs with units I gain from the arena, so they are all free (at least, I'm not spending any cash on them), and they are the least important source of gold for me. I literally calculated all the gold, BC, and units you can get from the arena and posted a thread with all the numbers, and it is huge, but for some reason people keep characterizing the arena as something you have to spend ludicrous amounts of time on or have no life to do. I mean, my gold keeps going up and I don't do any of the things people say you have to do, so apparently the gold fairy keeps adding gold to my account when I'm sleeping.
For me, doing a few hours of arena a day, often while watching Youtube or TV, so I am *literally* spending no extra time doing it, is far easier and requires far less dedicated time than, say, running Map 6 constantly. Having to stop what I'm doing to run a path, and a path that requires my full attention at that, on every day of the week in a rotating fashion, is far more disruptive. This morning I did a couple rounds of arena with one hand while eating my morning oatmeal. I consider those rounds to be basically zero net time out of my day. So someone saying you have to have no life to grind arena while other players are busy pretending to go to the bathroom to move in AQ during the work week is honestly not impressing me with their game play perspective.
For me that few hours of negative time is auto fighting quests. If you use that net 0 time for arena you just replace it attempting to get quests done.
My day starts wake up aq aw get ready for work auto easy maps. I get to work breaks I aq and aw. Get home more aq and aw and do harder quests and squeeze in as much arena as possible while taking care of life. Sometimes it is 0 sometimes it is a ton.
If you use the negative on auto or arena you have to replace it with the other in real time.
Because what is the point in gold if you don't have resources and what is the point of resources if you don't have gold.
I find auto fight while getting ready is a ton easier than arena. Can hit fight brush my teeth, while phone sitting on counter. Get to it when done and hit fight again.
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
Is there a gold problem? Lol
How many Cavs do you buy on average and how many greater gifting did you buy? You have to be spending to have that kind of gold. Clearly it's not an issue for everyone, especially those spending a lot of money on the game.
You don't need to spend cash to get a lot of gold from the arena. A few hours a day is enough to gain more gold than most players could likely sustain spending.
I'm not sure where the idea emerged that people with a lot of gold spend a lot on Cavs. I only buy Cavs with units I gain from the arena, so they are all free (at least, I'm not spending any cash on them), and they are the least important source of gold for me. I literally calculated all the gold, BC, and units you can get from the arena and posted a thread with all the numbers, and it is huge, but for some reason people keep characterizing the arena as something you have to spend ludicrous amounts of time on or have no life to do. I mean, my gold keeps going up and I don't do any of the things people say you have to do, so apparently the gold fairy keeps adding gold to my account when I'm sleeping.
For me, doing a few hours of arena a day, often while watching Youtube or TV, so I am *literally* spending no extra time doing it, is far easier and requires far less dedicated time than, say, running Map 6 constantly. Having to stop what I'm doing to run a path, and a path that requires my full attention at that, on every day of the week in a rotating fashion, is far more disruptive. This morning I did a couple rounds of arena with one hand while eating my morning oatmeal. I consider those rounds to be basically zero net time out of my day. So someone saying you have to have no life to grind arena while other players are busy pretending to go to the bathroom to move in AQ during the work week is honestly not impressing me with their game play perspective.
For me that few hours of negative time is auto fighting quests. If you use that net 0 time for arena you just replace it attempting to get quests done.
My day starts wake up aq aw get ready for work auto easy maps. I get to work breaks I aq and aw. Get home more aq and aw and do harder quests and squeeze in as much arena as possible while taking care of life. Sometimes it is 0 sometimes it is a ton.
If you use the negative on auto or arena you have to replace it with the other in real time.
Because what is the point in gold if you don't have resources and what is the point of resources if you don't have gold.
I find auto fight while getting ready is a ton easier than arena. Can hit fight brush my teeth, while phone sitting on counter. Get to it when done and hit fight again.
I find doing easy EQ levels to be far less valuable than arena. Easier sure bc you don't actually do anything but the time is far better spent in arena.
I don't do any autofight questing at all. Absolutely none.
Hero and 1st 2 maps of master are auto for me. I can auto the lane in master but need to pay attention to boss fight. Uc is only content I need to do all.
The real question for Kabam here is how much arena should be necessary to keep up if you aren’t willing to buy sigil, I’m getting over the grind, it’s feeling like a chore, I’ve been doing 1-2 hours a day for last month since running act 6 to try catch up to my gold shortage, Plus the t5b shards I buy every week with glory, I have r3 god tier champs , rankup materials and rankup stones coming out my ears and no gold to rank them I’m not even getting close, I play the game in my wife would probably leave me if she saw me spending money on this game regularly, safe to say she isn’t a fan of how much I play it, I’ve run every dungeon ever and have always arena half hour at least most days, as well as completing every eq ever explored everything and always 100% master and uncollected. i suspect everybody saying it’s not an issue grinds several hours a day or buys sigil in which case They have found their solution, one which many of us aren’t prepared to do
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
So explain your ranking habits and where is your gold currently going to? If you have 12 3-4 gems, are you not using them or what?
I used to have gold, but we started running 66666 aq. And I have a life with no time for arena.
Therefore everyone who runs 6x5 and does some arena has no life? What else could that mean? I hate arena and I don't run much but all you "I have a life" posters are so damn offensive it's ridiculous.
Why not buy the sigil? It’s so dope. You get like 120k in gold every week. It’s about 5% of what it costs to R2 a 6*. 20 some weeks later, if you’ve got the iso... that champs R2. Pretty amazing. I’m about 120 weeks from a decent roster. That is if I don’t pull anymore god tier champs.
There’s no gold shortage, just need to wait weeks and months to use those rank up gems unless you want to spend hours daily grind the arena and trolling every quality of life post on the forums. Thinking of you @Demonzfyre 😘
Whatever dude. Not sure what I said constitutes as trolling. Just explaining what I do to maintain gold on my account. But hey, the only way to be cool on the forums is to complain about every single aspect of the game, how Kabam isn't generous, how we never get anything we want and blah blah blah Kabam is the worst. Would that make me cool in your eyes? Oh wait, I don't give a **** about your opinion.
Someone’s triggered, have you not seen how many you tubers coming out saying that they are done and calling the game P2W? I have no problem with the game currently aside from my lack of iso and gold but I’m still happy. It is an issue especially with these awesome events that award shards etc and we get champs that we can’t even rank up for a few months
If you have a 5/65 Omega at above 100 sig, any star sabertooth, any star quake and 3* plus Nick fury, you can auto fight pretty much all of masters, including most bosses, as long as fights aren't robots.
Just need to watch the last two bosses.
I only manually fight on masters now, if I feel like I need to practice.
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
Is there a gold problem? Lol
You must grind arena a lot or spend a lot, if you say no your simply lying
The real question for Kabam here is how much arena should be necessary to keep up if you aren’t willing to buy sigil, I’m getting over the grind, it’s feeling like a chore, I’ve been doing 1-2 hours a day for last month since running act 6 to try catch up to my gold shortage, Plus the t5b shards I buy every week with glory, I have r3 god tier champs , rankup materials and rankup stones coming out my ears and no gold to rank them I’m not even getting close, I play the game in my wife would probably leave me if she saw me spending money on this game regularly, safe to say she isn’t a fan of how much I play it, I’ve run every dungeon ever and have always arena half hour at least most days, as well as completing every eq ever explored everything and always 100% master and uncollected. i suspect everybody saying it’s not an issue grinds several hours a day or buys sigil in which case They have found their solution, one which many of us aren’t prepared to do
I'm in the same boat man. And I know there are several like us in my alliance as well.
We will continue to be ignored though because we don't fit the typical straw-man argument.
@Speeds80 i’d say the arena target should be a state where enabling you to open 100-150k battlechips per week. My experience is that I accumulate 150k battlechips as buffer and then I start open any on top of it. Besides, I open Arena Crystal rather than Uncollected Arena Crystal because I have done a statvia excel that the gold I collected from the earlier is more than the later over 2 months sample period.
(1) Rank only what you have to and rank only during Level Up (and only up to the 4th milestone—beyond is essentially worthless) (2) Choose 2/3* rankups to “top off” and get to Level Up milestones because they are cheaper than 4/5/6* (3) Run the Sunday arena(s) as far as you are able (4) Run Incursions as far as you are able (5) Always sell expiring stuff no matter how small
Try that for a month and see if your gold situation improves.
With no disrespect, genuinely asking: Please clarify "only necessary rankups".
I have 5 R5s, 12 R4s and 8 6*. They are sufficient to get me through a lot of content, even if my skill is debatable. I am also sitting at 2 mil gold. By the time that I get another R4 and level up my next 6* (in which I am very close - to both of them) my gold supply will have vanished. And I do casually play arena. Judging by the gold available to us, I should restrict to ranking up far less champs than the rank-up materials available to me? Does it make any sense?
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
Is there a gold problem? Lol
You must grind arena a lot or spend a lot, if you say no your simply lying
I half grind arena once a day, and do one full run of my 5*R4s and above at night when watching television. It’s my nightly wind-down activity of about 1.5-2hrs so even on days without arena, it’s time spent.
I half-grind my 6*s and 5* R5s on and off the day before 4pm so my 5*s cooldown refresh by 11 and I do the night grind then.
I do about 9m 5*F / 4m 4*F / 1.5m 4*B based on the amount of grinding in the time that I can afford.
The magical thing about arena, is that it gives units that allows me to occasionally splurge on crystals for champs that I don’t have. The most recent splurge of about 4-5k units was for Aegon. All units were grinded for and I didn’t have to spend a single cent for it.
So no. I don’t grind a lot, nor spend a lot. Like I said, doing some arena solves Gold and unit issues, and gives shards for more chances at champs you want, which indirectly converts into ISOs, another issue people are facing.
Do I have a life? Yes. I’m a forex trader, married and have 2 kids, aged 6 and 8. 😊
@DrZola one of the few regs here with his head screwed on straight, thing is those are all steps I’ve always done, they used to be suffice, they no longer are, I guess my next step maybe to leave my 6* unlevelled but they are so good for arena once levelled, I’ve top 10% the Sunday arena most weeks, I usually run about 5m every 6* arena and 1m in every 4* arena... ever, this is good I’m loving the convo and it takes the stirrers to argue to keep this alive, I remember campaigning for months In forums when t1as were the bottleneck, sheesh this month I may have to sell mine, r2ing mediocre 5*s is a thi g of the past. I keep ranking my champs that I plan to use to not let cats expire, then They all get to sit al level 1 cos gold broke, pulling a dr doom and taking him from r1 to r5 was a shock to the system how much it actually cost, that combined with the rankup materials from act 6 clear, maybe it’ll level out in a few more months but the actual gold you need to use those rewards from act 6 is well into the 8 figures
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
Is there a gold problem? Lol
How many Cavs do you buy on average and how many greater gifting did you buy? You have to be spending to have that kind of gold. Clearly it's not an issue for everyone, especially those spending a lot of money on the game.
However, F2P, especially newer accounts who have not been around since the beginning don't get all the dupes to sell iso and can't grow gold quick enough to keep up with the cost of 6* and higher level 5* that were getting.
I've got 49 x 5* and 4 x 6*. Only 9 of my 5* are duped but 4 I used AG's on so 5 natural dupes (10% of my roster and a drop in the bucket for the total pool of champ's). 4* shards don't come in as much as they used to as cavalier and 5* dupes are rare for me. Not a big spender so I have to work with what I get.
Max arena gold is 120,000 if you hit all gold milestones in the arenas and that takes a lot of time with people who don't have every champ to throw at it or units to refresh. So let's call it 250k a week if you're doing a lot of arena and hitting all gold milestones twice a week, plus what you get from arena crystals.
It takes about 1.2m to go from R4 to R5 so you're looking at least a month to r4 or R5 one champ and benching everyone else for rankups in the process (new 6* or other potentials to R4 or even start with R1 and bring up). That is not a lot of fun and neither is having to spend to get more crystal dupes just to be able to use the rewards from variant to bring up some champ's that don't need anything other than gold and iso.
I'm pretty sure he's a light spender at most if even that these days. Certainly not spending enough to be getting most of his gold from it.
If newer accounts are flying through content faster than is intended then that's on them really. People playing for 4+ years already before act 6 was even released had a long time building up a roster of particularly 4* champs as that's where the vast majority of your iso will come from. 5* dupes are more of a bonus for most players I would think. With a flushed 4* roster you get plenty of iso even from phcs let alone the actual 4* crystals you get from phcs 3*s.
There is gold and iso in the game. If you're trying to go too far too fast and not doing the available things to get more gold and iso, that's definitely a you thing
This just shows that old players shouldn't really be speaking on these kind of issues.
New players are not flying through content "faster than intended". They are going through content at the pace the game lets them go at, which is WAY too fast. I've played in 2015, quit for a few years, then came back in 2019 with a new account, so other than knowing how to parry and dex, I didn't really understand what was happening. 4 stars are so accessible for new players now that it's a massive problem. I got a 4 star Medusa while I was in Act 1. Is it my fault that she destroyed Acts 1-4 and stayed relevant all the way until act 5.4? No.
I didn't rush anything, and just played the game the way it was intended to be played, and yet I apparently still "progressed too fast". So fast, in fact, that I still don't have a 1 star Hulk to do Variant 4 with, despite not selling any champions. Again, am I meant to know that I should've waited until I got a 1 star Hulk before beating Maestro? No.
You can't expect new players to stay at lower progression levels to "build their roster" and collect gold when they are given every incentive to go as far as possible with the rank 1/2 4 stars that they got within the first 6 hours of gameplay, as the difficulty of the acts hardly changes to require rank ups early on. This is not rushing through, this is just how the game has been set up, and punishing players for playing the game in the way they've been allowed to is just bad design.
The gold problem comes into play when you reach Act 5, as even though you are beginning to get 5 stars and max out your 4 stars, the availability of gold literally doesn't change. The game stays at a constant progression curve until you reach Act 5, them significantly increases in difficulty and he amount of resources needed, but the amount of gold you can get doesn't follow this curve. And it gets even worse once you begin to take your 5 stars to rank 4.
Of course old players don't experience this, since you lot had years to save up gold. Not to mention that you didn't have any 4 stars until exploring Act 3, anyway (In my case). But for new players this gold problem is definitely real, and for Kabam to fix it they need to adjust the difficulty curve of earlier Acts to encourage players to actually build their roster before progressing, instead of allowing us to beat Maestro within our first month of playing.
If you have too many rank up materials but not enough gold because you are running 66666 then the simple solution is to drop down find an alliance running map 4 and use the extra time you have to run arena
Cut the gold needed to rank 5 and 6 champions. Also cut down map 6 and 7 costs. Gold problem is no longer an issue. Who says Kabam has arbitrarily have such high gold costs? It would be a huge public relations move on their part.
Why not buy the sigil? It’s so dope. You get like 120k in gold every week. It’s about 5% of what it costs to R2 a 6*. 20 some weeks later, if you’ve got the iso... that champs R2. Pretty amazing. I’m about 120 weeks from a decent roster. That is if I don’t pull anymore god tier champs.
There’s no gold shortage, just need to wait weeks and months to use those rank up gems unless you want to spend hours daily grind the arena and trolling every quality of life post on the forums. Thinking of you @Demonzfyre 😘
Whatever dude. Not sure what I said constitutes as trolling. Just explaining what I do to maintain gold on my account. But hey, the only way to be cool on the forums is to complain about every single aspect of the game, how Kabam isn't generous, how we never get anything we want and blah blah blah Kabam is the worst. Would that make me cool in your eyes? Oh wait, I don't give a **** about your opinion.
Someone’s triggered, have you not seen how many you tubers coming out saying that they are done and calling the game P2W? I have no problem with the game currently aside from my lack of iso and gold but I’m still happy. It is an issue especially with these awesome events that award shards etc and we get champs that we can’t even rank up for a few months
Seatin is taking a step back, not quitting. Youtubers are pay to win except Brian Grant. Seatin especially is pay to win so none of what you said make sense. The rest of the youtubers are sounding off on what seatin did for the views. They aren't taking a step back.
There is plenty of example in this thread about gold management. People like you keep ignoring all advice and continue to claim that there is a gold problem.
About 3 months back (I think) when 6.4 was released, I was sitting at 91m gold. There’s the screenshot somewhere in the forums.
Fast forward 3 months or so, after exploring A6 100%, spending all the rank up materials obtained from A6 + regular glory purchases + 780k Gold weekly donations, I’m back at 92m.
Is there a gold problem? Lol
How many Cavs do you buy on average and how many greater gifting did you buy? You have to be spending to have that kind of gold. Clearly it's not an issue for everyone, especially those spending a lot of money on the game.
However, F2P, especially newer accounts who have not been around since the beginning don't get all the dupes to sell iso and can't grow gold quick enough to keep up with the cost of 6* and higher level 5* that were getting.
I've got 49 x 5* and 4 x 6*. Only 9 of my 5* are duped but 4 I used AG's on so 5 natural dupes (10% of my roster and a drop in the bucket for the total pool of champ's). 4* shards don't come in as much as they used to as cavalier and 5* dupes are rare for me. Not a big spender so I have to work with what I get.
Max arena gold is 120,000 if you hit all gold milestones in the arenas and that takes a lot of time with people who don't have every champ to throw at it or units to refresh. So let's call it 250k a week if you're doing a lot of arena and hitting all gold milestones twice a week, plus what you get from arena crystals.
It takes about 1.2m to go from R4 to R5 so you're looking at least a month to r4 or R5 one champ and benching everyone else for rankups in the process (new 6* or other potentials to R4 or even start with R1 and bring up). That is not a lot of fun and neither is having to spend to get more crystal dupes just to be able to use the rewards from variant to bring up some champ's that don't need anything other than gold and iso.
I'm pretty sure he's a light spender at most if even that these days. Certainly not spending enough to be getting most of his gold from it.
If newer accounts are flying through content faster than is intended then that's on them really. People playing for 4+ years already before act 6 was even released had a long time building up a roster of particularly 4* champs as that's where the vast majority of your iso will come from. 5* dupes are more of a bonus for most players I would think. With a flushed 4* roster you get plenty of iso even from phcs let alone the actual 4* crystals you get from phcs 3*s.
There is gold and iso in the game. If you're trying to go too far too fast and not doing the available things to get more gold and iso, that's definitely a you thing
This just shows that old players shouldn't really be speaking on these kind of issues.
New players are not flying through content "faster than intended". They are going through content at the pace the game lets them go at, which is WAY too fast. I've played in 2015, quit for a few years, then came back in 2019 with a new account, so other than knowing how to parry and dex, I didn't really understand what was happening. 4 stars are so accessible for new players now that it's a massive problem. I got a 4 star Medusa while I was in Act 1. Is it my fault that she destroyed Acts 1-4 and stayed relevant all the way until act 5.4? No.
I didn't rush anything, and just played the game the way it was intended to be played, and yet I apparently still "progressed too fast". So fast, in fact, that I still don't have a 1 star Hulk to do Variant 4 with, despite not selling any champions. Again, am I meant to know that I should've waited until I got a 1 star Hulk before beating Maestro? No.
You can't expect new players to stay at lower progression levels to "build their roster" and collect gold when they are given every incentive to go as far as possible with the rank 1/2 4 stars that they got within the first 6 hours of gameplay, as the difficulty of the acts hardly changes to require rank ups early on. This is not rushing through, this is just how the game has been set up, and punishing players for playing the game in the way they've been allowed to is just bad design.
The gold problem comes into play when you reach Act 5, as even though you are beginning to get 5 stars and max out your 4 stars, the availability of gold literally doesn't change. The game stays at a constant progression curve until you reach Act 5, them significantly increases in difficulty and he amount of resources needed, but the amount of gold you can get doesn't follow this curve. And it gets even worse once you begin to take your 5 stars to rank 4.
Of course old players don't experience this, since you lot had years to save up gold. Not to mention that you didn't have any 4 stars until exploring Act 3, anyway (In my case). But for new players this gold problem is definitely real, and for Kabam to fix it they need to adjust the difficulty curve of earlier Acts to encourage players to actually build their roster before progressing, instead of allowing us to beat Maestro within our first month of playing.
I agree with what you say, which is why when 6.1 was in the beta phase I suggested to Kabam to gate further chapter content to Exploration instead of Completion (eg 6.2 unlocks when you 100% 6.1, and 6.3 unlocks when you 100% 6.2 so on and so forth) to slow down the progress of newer players so they don’t run into such problems.
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This isn't a game where a new player is supposed to "catch up" to someone that's been playing from the beginning, especially as a f2p player.
Unless you grind the hell out of arena you can't keep up. I am stuck at a point where I have resources galore (I'm backed down to boot silver alliance low aq for no donations).
I'm not a massive arena grinder current arenas I'm at 3m milestones in feature 5, and unlocked rank in other ones. I'll do some more after maintenance. I do the incursions, I use glory for the gold crystals (what good are more cats I can't use).
The state of the game is you can acquire resources really fast but you are hampered by gold. I'm not doing anything fancy, map 4 alliance for last 6 months and still have too many cats and my hoard just grows because of gold.
I'm not sure where the idea emerged that people with a lot of gold spend a lot on Cavs. I only buy Cavs with units I gain from the arena, so they are all free (at least, I'm not spending any cash on them), and they are the least important source of gold for me. I literally calculated all the gold, BC, and units you can get from the arena and posted a thread with all the numbers, and it is huge, but for some reason people keep characterizing the arena as something you have to spend ludicrous amounts of time on or have no life to do. I mean, my gold keeps going up and I don't do any of the things people say you have to do, so apparently the gold fairy keeps adding gold to my account when I'm sleeping.
For me, doing a few hours of arena a day, often while watching Youtube or TV, so I am *literally* spending no extra time doing it, is far easier and requires far less dedicated time than, say, running Map 6 constantly. Having to stop what I'm doing to run a path, and a path that requires my full attention at that, on every day of the week in a rotating fashion, is far more disruptive. This morning I did a couple rounds of arena with one hand while eating my morning oatmeal. I consider those rounds to be basically zero net time out of my day. So someone saying you have to have no life to grind arena while other players are busy pretending to go to the bathroom to move in AQ during the work week is honestly not impressing me with their game play perspective.
If you have roster like this, actually you should have some ways to manage your resources. No one said you have to rank up all at once. What I said is I can keep ranking up even some champs I never put on the field. Thus you need to work out your own way as there is so many variables in making such decision.
Again, I said gold issue is presence yet it is in relative sense. Never denied the issue is here, just some players really get through it. Arena is a choice. Sigil is a choice. Sell iso is also a choice. And you have to make a choice if you see gold shortage a problem or “crisis”.
My day starts wake up aq aw get ready for work auto easy maps. I get to work breaks I aq and aw. Get home more aq and aw and do harder quests and squeeze in as much arena as possible while taking care of life. Sometimes it is 0 sometimes it is a ton.
If you use the negative on auto or arena you have to replace it with the other in real time.
Because what is the point in gold if you don't have resources and what is the point of resources if you don't have gold.
I find auto fight while getting ready is a ton easier than arena. Can hit fight brush my teeth, while phone sitting on counter. Get to it when done and hit fight again.
Just need to watch the last two bosses.
I only manually fight on masters now, if I feel like I need to practice.
We will continue to be ignored though because we don't fit the typical straw-man argument.
(1) Rank only what you have to and rank only during Level Up (and only up to the 4th milestone—beyond is essentially worthless)
(2) Choose 2/3* rankups to “top off” and get to Level Up milestones because they are cheaper than 4/5/6*
(3) Run the Sunday arena(s) as far as you are able
(4) Run Incursions as far as you are able
(5) Always sell expiring stuff no matter how small
Try that for a month and see if your gold situation improves.
Dr. Zola
I have 5 R5s, 12 R4s and 8 6*. They are sufficient to get me through a lot of content, even if my skill is debatable. I am also sitting at 2 mil gold. By the time that I get another R4 and level up my next 6* (in which I am very close - to both of them) my gold supply will have vanished. And I do casually play arena. Judging by the gold available to us, I should restrict to ranking up far less champs than the rank-up materials available to me? Does it make any sense?
I half-grind my 6*s and 5* R5s on and off the day before 4pm so my 5*s cooldown refresh by 11 and I do the night grind then.
I do about 9m 5*F / 4m 4*F / 1.5m 4*B based on the amount of grinding in the time that I can afford.
The magical thing about arena, is that it gives units that allows me to occasionally splurge on crystals for champs that I don’t have. The most recent splurge of about 4-5k units was for Aegon. All units were grinded for and I didn’t have to spend a single cent for it.
So no. I don’t grind a lot, nor spend a lot. Like I said, doing some arena solves Gold and unit issues, and gives shards for more chances at champs you want, which indirectly converts into ISOs, another issue people are facing.
Do I have a life? Yes. I’m a forex trader, married and have 2 kids, aged 6 and 8. 😊
New players are not flying through content "faster than intended". They are going through content at the pace the game lets them go at, which is WAY too fast. I've played in 2015, quit for a few years, then came back in 2019 with a new account, so other than knowing how to parry and dex, I didn't really understand what was happening. 4 stars are so accessible for new players now that it's a massive problem. I got a 4 star Medusa while I was in Act 1. Is it my fault that she destroyed Acts 1-4 and stayed relevant all the way until act 5.4? No.
I didn't rush anything, and just played the game the way it was intended to be played, and yet I apparently still "progressed too fast". So fast, in fact, that I still don't have a 1 star Hulk to do Variant 4 with, despite not selling any champions. Again, am I meant to know that I should've waited until I got a 1 star Hulk before beating Maestro? No.
You can't expect new players to stay at lower progression levels to "build their roster" and collect gold when they are given every incentive to go as far as possible with the rank 1/2 4 stars that they got within the first 6 hours of gameplay, as the difficulty of the acts hardly changes to require rank ups early on. This is not rushing through, this is just how the game has been set up, and punishing players for playing the game in the way they've been allowed to is just bad design.
The gold problem comes into play when you reach Act 5, as even though you are beginning to get 5 stars and max out your 4 stars, the availability of gold literally doesn't change. The game stays at a constant progression curve until you reach Act 5, them significantly increases in difficulty and he amount of resources needed, but the amount of gold you can get doesn't follow this curve. And it gets even worse once you begin to take your 5 stars to rank 4.
Of course old players don't experience this, since you lot had years to save up gold. Not to mention that you didn't have any 4 stars until exploring Act 3, anyway (In my case). But for new players this gold problem is definitely real, and for Kabam to fix it they need to adjust the difficulty curve of earlier Acts to encourage players to actually build their roster before progressing, instead of allowing us to beat Maestro within our first month of playing.
There is plenty of example in this thread about gold management. People like you keep ignoring all advice and continue to claim that there is a gold problem.