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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 22,516 ★★★★★

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
    How lol? As far as I've understood, yhey're going to track your donations and run it across maps you've done to reduce the extra donations and refund it as tickets. How is that easier than refunding your individual donations? They have to get your individual donations anyways for the method they're using.
    You're suggesting combing the data and individually setting up refunds via the server, refunds which are numerous and vary.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 356 ★★
    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
  • bdawg923bdawg923 Posts: 322 ★★★

    bdawg923 said:

    @Kabam Miike Can you please post a spreadsheet with the ticket costs so we can calculate our map costs?

    This has been added to the original announcement! Sorry, forgot to reply when I did it.
    Thanks
  • JustapilgrimJustapilgrim Posts: 196 ★★
    After running the numbers and finding out my alliance can continue to run Map 6 at the former reduced donation rates I was charging (150k gold, 25k BC and 18k loyalty), I withdraw my complaints. We will have a 4 ticket bonus from the total cost of 148,842 gold (22 tickets), 24,097 BC (29 tickets) and 18,174 Loyalty (28 tickets).

    I still have no clue how they are going to extrapolate out how many tickets I should get for the 20 million gold I donated a few weeks ago. 150 tickets costs like 1.3 million gold. Does the sliding scale keep sliding further or does it ever reach an end at some point....

    @Kabam Miike any input? I have donated close to 100 million gold into my alliance as the leader from December until now.
  • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 4,803 ★★★★★

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
    And if this change would have been appropriately communicated beforehand those resources wouldn't nessecarily have been send to the treasury to begin with.

    Your perspective on this is just really weird to me, not going to lie. Almost grounded weird.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 356 ★★

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
    And if this change would have been appropriately communicated beforehand those resources wouldn't nessecarily have been send to the treasury to begin with.

    Your perspective on this is just really weird to me, not going to lie. Almost grounded weird.
    No, I agree that there should have been a big heads up ages ago, but I was just stating why giving back those resources isn't fair to other players.
  • DaphboyDaphboy Posts: 260
    There is a lot to go through in here and I don’t know if this has been raised as a concern. Personally, I run map 6x5. I pay my gold and loyalty using designated resources, and units to cover BC since I don’t do much arena. Is there going to be a way to separate the donation resources when paying for tickets so that I am still able to pay units for only the BC portion?

    If not, then I am being forced into a situation where I either have to grind more arena to get the battlechips, or pay more units overall to buy the tickets. Why are honest players having to give/do more without any increase to rewards?
  • KnightZeroKnightZero Posts: 295 ★★
    edited May 22

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
    How lol? As far as I've understood, yhey're going to track your donations and run it across maps you've done to reduce the extra donations and refund it as tickets. How is that easier than refunding your individual donations? They have to get your individual donations anyways for the method they're using.
    You're suggesting combing the data and individually setting up refunds via the server, refunds which are numerous and vary.
    Not getting your point. They're individually refunding you in the form of tickets. They're checking YOUR donations with the Map YOU have run. Not the alliance. So they have to set up individual, numerous and varied refunds either way.

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
    So we're getting refunds in the form of tickets. I'd rather have those refunds in the form of resources. Then it's up to me to decide if I want to use those refunds for my tickets or get tickets using units and keep the refunds.

    As I said in another post, even the regular people who asked for help from ally members are getting shafted. We have someone running 3 accounts in the alliance. Skilled member, so the rest 27 decided to split the donations for 2 of the accounts. Now, that's not possible. People will say that he can give up the accounts, but it's a way of helping the ally like how others do through donations.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 22,516 ★★★★★

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
    How lol? As far as I've understood, yhey're going to track your donations and run it across maps you've done to reduce the extra donations and refund it as tickets. How is that easier than refunding your individual donations? They have to get your individual donations anyways for the method they're using.
    You're suggesting combing the data and individually setting up refunds via the server, refunds which are numerous and vary.
    Not getting your point. They're individually refunding you in the form of tickets. They're checking YOUR donations with the Map YOU have run. Not the alliance. So they have to set up individual, numerous and varied refunds either way.

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
    So we're getting refunds in the form of tickets. I'd rather have those refunds in the form of resources. Then it's up to me to decide if I want to use those refunds for my tickets or get tickets using units and keep the refunds.
    It's easier to arrange a certain number of Tickets than it is to arrange a whole range of amounts.
  • JustapilgrimJustapilgrim Posts: 196 ★★

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
    How lol? As far as I've understood, yhey're going to track your donations and run it across maps you've done to reduce the extra donations and refund it as tickets. How is that easier than refunding your individual donations? They have to get your individual donations anyways for the method they're using.
    You're suggesting combing the data and individually setting up refunds via the server, refunds which are numerous and vary.
    Not getting your point. They're individually refunding you in the form of tickets. They're checking YOUR donations with the Map YOU have run. Not the alliance. So they have to set up individual, numerous and varied refunds either way.

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
    So we're getting refunds in the form of tickets. I'd rather have those refunds in the form of resources. Then it's up to me to decide if I want to use those refunds for my tickets or get tickets using units and keep the refunds.
    It's easier to arrange a certain number of Tickets than it is to arrange a whole range of amounts.
    No. They just want to give you the fewest tickets possible because of the sliding scale. If I would have 1.3 million gold coming back to me, they are going to give me 150 tickets instead. But I could use that 1.3 million gold to buy a lot more tickets over the next couple weeks because of the diminishing returns of the sliding scale.
  • KnightZeroKnightZero Posts: 295 ★★

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
    How lol? As far as I've understood, yhey're going to track your donations and run it across maps you've done to reduce the extra donations and refund it as tickets. How is that easier than refunding your individual donations? They have to get your individual donations anyways for the method they're using.
    You're suggesting combing the data and individually setting up refunds via the server, refunds which are numerous and vary.
    Not getting your point. They're individually refunding you in the form of tickets. They're checking YOUR donations with the Map YOU have run. Not the alliance. So they have to set up individual, numerous and varied refunds either way.

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
    So we're getting refunds in the form of tickets. I'd rather have those refunds in the form of resources. Then it's up to me to decide if I want to use those refunds for my tickets or get tickets using units and keep the refunds.
    It's easier to arrange a certain number of Tickets than it is to arrange a whole range of amounts.
    Have to convert the donations into tickets. Running it through a code is an extra step. The same step can be used to write amounts if I'm not mistaken. If I am, still fee that we should be given the choice to use our refunds as we choose to. Unless it's going to be a lengthy process which I don't think it will.
  • bloodyCainbloodyCain Posts: 698 ★★★
    Those BC from treasury can be used to get units and gold from arena crystal especially for those who only play map 5.
    What is KABAM thinking? Jeez
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 356 ★★

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
    How lol? As far as I've understood, yhey're going to track your donations and run it across maps you've done to reduce the extra donations and refund it as tickets. How is that easier than refunding your individual donations? They have to get your individual donations anyways for the method they're using.
    You're suggesting combing the data and individually setting up refunds via the server, refunds which are numerous and vary.
    Not getting your point. They're individually refunding you in the form of tickets. They're checking YOUR donations with the Map YOU have run. Not the alliance. So they have to set up individual, numerous and varied refunds either way.

    Knorr7227 said:

    TwmR said:

    Knorr7227 said:

    Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets

    They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
    They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
    Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
    But then the Gold and BCs that you put IN as donations could now be used for other, non-AQ based activities, such as ranking up and getting more gold/units. If there weren't a change, those resources would be inaccessible to the player. By giving back the resources, the players who donated would have an advantage–the advantage of having more resources to be freely used. By donating, you're essentially giving up your possession of Gold, BCs, and Loyalty. You don't get that possession back under normal circumstances. It goes to the greater good of the alliance. BUT, now what you're proposing is to give the possession of those resources BACK to the players, which isn't fair.
    So we're getting refunds in the form of tickets. I'd rather have those refunds in the form of resources. Then it's up to me to decide if I want to use those refunds for my tickets or get tickets using units and keep the refunds.

    As I said in another post, even the regular people who asked for help from ally members are getting shafted. We have someone running 3 accounts in the alliance. Skilled member, so the rest 27 decided to split the donations for 2 of the accounts. Now, that's not possible. People will say that he can give up the accounts, but it's a way of helping the ally like how others do through donations.
    But you're not getting my point. If they gave back our resources, it wouldn't be fair to other players who don't donate. Since it was YOUR decision to invest YOUR resources into YOUR alliance instead of using those resources on YOURSELF, it's on YOU. The Tickets are flawed in a few ways, but they are a better solution than to just give back the resources you donated. Remember, once you click Donate, it's not your resources anymore. It's the alliances'. By regaining possession of the resources you gave away, it's an unfair advantage against other players since you can use it in non-AQ settings.
  • cookiedealercookiedealer Posts: 150

    Hey Everybody,

    We've been kind of quiet regarding some of the concerns that have been brought up today, but that's because we've been discussing them. We will not be reaching a conclusion on anything today, but we want you all to know that we're not ignoring your feedback.

    We will have more information for you all next week, but need time to regroup, and look at your feedback on pain points, and have some discussions.

    I understand one of the driving ideas is to punish treasury loaders (arena botters, resource sellers). But maybe there is a route that helps the nontreasury loaders!
  • GOTGGOTG Posts: 342 ★★
    Ok so there will be many alliances which currently run map 7 will not be able to do it anymore. Their members can not buy the ticket unless they pay huge amount of money each week. End of FTP time with map 7.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 356 ★★
    Think about it this way.
    Player A has 1,000,000 gold.
    Player B has 2,000,000 gold. He donates 1,000,000 to his alliance. He no longer owns the 1,000,000 gold he donated.

    Player A and Player B both rank up their champs using the gold they have.

    Now, if Player B was compensated with his donations:
    Player B would get 1,000,000 gold. Now I understand that he earned that gold. But by choosing to donate it to his alliance and therefore surrendering his rights to his gold, he gains an advantage because in the normal setting, that gold would not be used to rank up his champs. Since he made the decision to contribute his resources towards AQ, his resources should not be able to be refunded and used for something that is not AQ related.

    Do you see why it's unfair to other players?
  • tafretafre Posts: 326 ★★★

    Mike439 said:

    How/when does the ticket store (don’t know what to call it) reset?

    Is 450 units worth of tickets for 1 week of map 7 accurate?

    How can the alliance ensure players have tickets on hand to pay for the week? There is potential for players bad at accounting to leave the other players high and dry for the week.

    The price of tickets will reset on the same schedule as the Glory Store!

    450 Tickets is the price of 150 Tickets, which is 5 days of Alliance Quests.

    It's not really possible to know what each of your members has on hand, but that's why we wanted to make costs more flexible. If you don't have a lot of Loyalty to use, you can use Gold or Battle Chips, etc.
    My suggestion - turn the stuff in the treasury into AQ tickets.
    Make the tickets buyable for individuals like you’re doing but make them donate tickets to the treasury instead off Resources.
    Same purpose of tickets but the alliance can split the cost evenly like before.

    If you run map 6 in 1 bg and 5 in 2 you need 75 tickets per week/150 per 2 weeks so 30 people can each donate 5 tickets every 2 weeks or something
    That defeats the goal of fighting Treasury Loaders and actually makes it much easier for them.
    First of all I really like that these measures against Treasury loaders have been taken. That is a good thing to see. The main thing most people do not like about this change is purely because of mixed map battle groups as you guys have on the announcement. I am in an ally where we do map6 in 2 BGs and in my BG we do 3 days of map 7 and 2 days of map6. With the new system, like so many have pointed out, not only will I be doing the hard content but I will also be paying a higher amount to do the higher difficulty but everybody will get the same rewards. Nobody likes this and if I did not read something incorrectly you guys acknowledge that alliances like mine, those which run mixed BGs, are the main concern that you would like to work on with this update. Here is my suggestion.

    Let other alliance members who are running lower maps buy and possibly gift tickets to the guys running the higher difficulty. Yes people will exploit this for sure but there is a catch. Gifting these tickets will only be possible while AQ is active. Then it shuts down immediately when the AQ timer ends. Also add a possible limit to the amount of tickets that can be gifted in each AQ iteration to a certain number to avoid exploita even further. This way people are locked in this alliance because nobody would want to leave during AQ and the person who replaces an empty spot does not get AQ rewards anyways because they joined late. So nobody will leave the ally during AQ for a short period just to have somebody gift tickets and immediately join back.

    This is my possible solution to what seems to be the main problem at hand. I think you have the tools to make this possible. Please try to add onto the idea or state whether or not you like it.
  • KnightZeroKnightZero Posts: 295 ★★
    edited May 23

    Think about it this way.
    Player A has 1,000,000 gold.
    Player B has 2,000,000 gold. He donates 1,000,000 to his alliance. He no longer owns the 1,000,000 gold he donated.

    Player A and Player B both rank up their champs using the gold they have.

    Now, if Player B was compensated with his donations:
    Player B would get 1,000,000 gold. Now I understand that he earned that gold. But by choosing to donate it to his alliance and therefore surrendering his rights to his gold, he gains an advantage because in the normal setting, that gold would not be used to rank up his champs. Since he made the decision to contribute his resources towards AQ, his resources should not be able to be refunded and used for something that is not AQ related.

    Do you see why it's unfair to other players?

    He's getting the 1,000,000 gold in the form of tickets. Getting it in the form of gold when suddenly a better conversion rate for units-resources has been offered is fair. Before, you would have to spend over 450 units to get 1.3 mill gold if I'm not mistaken. Now that the conversion rate is improved, you get the opportunity to save the old resources that you couldn't previously.
    Also, another option would be to give us the gold but only allow us to spend it on tickets. Due to the increase in cost for each ticket increasing when you use the same resource, getting 150 tickets at once for 1.3 mill gold is a loss. You can get more than that if you're willing to stagger it out over 3 weeks.

    Another flaw is the timing. This should have been announced in advance. Someone might have donated to help others in their gold donations. Getting the extra tickets refunded is pointless for him if he has other resources to use for his personal ticket purchase, and the gold could have been used for rankups.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 356 ★★

    Think about it this way.
    Player A has 1,000,000 gold.
    Player B has 2,000,000 gold. He donates 1,000,000 to his alliance. He no longer owns the 1,000,000 gold he donated.

    Player A and Player B both rank up their champs using the gold they have.

    Now, if Player B was compensated with his donations:
    Player B would get 1,000,000 gold. Now I understand that he earned that gold. But by choosing to donate it to his alliance and therefore surrendering his rights to his gold, he gains an advantage because in the normal setting, that gold would not be used to rank up his champs. Since he made the decision to contribute his resources towards AQ, his resources should not be able to be refunded and used for something that is not AQ related.

    Do you see why it's unfair to other players?

    He's getting the 1,000,000 gold in the form of tickets. Getting it in the form of gold when suddenly a better conversion rate for units-resources has been offered is fair. Before, you would have to spend over 450 units to get 1.3 mill gold if I'm not mistaken. Now that the conversion rate is improved, you get the opportunity to save the old resources that you couldn't previously.
    Also, another option would be to give us the gold but only allow us to spend it on tickets. Due to the increase in cost for each ticket increasing when you use the same resource, getting 150 tickets at once for 1.3 mill gold is a loss. You can get more than that if you're willing to stagger it out over 3 weeks.
    No, I get that he's getting the 1,000,000 in tickets. I was responding to the people who want resources instead of tickets. I don't think that Kabam should give out resources, such as gold, that could be used in other ways rather than AQ.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 356 ★★

    Think about it this way.
    Player A has 1,000,000 gold.
    Player B has 2,000,000 gold. He donates 1,000,000 to his alliance. He no longer owns the 1,000,000 gold he donated.

    Player A and Player B both rank up their champs using the gold they have.

    Now, if Player B was compensated with his donations:
    Player B would get 1,000,000 gold. Now I understand that he earned that gold. But by choosing to donate it to his alliance and therefore surrendering his rights to his gold, he gains an advantage because in the normal setting, that gold would not be used to rank up his champs. Since he made the decision to contribute his resources towards AQ, his resources should not be able to be refunded and used for something that is not AQ related.

    Do you see why it's unfair to other players?

    Another flaw is the timing. This should have been announced in advance. Someone might have donated to help others in their gold donations. Getting the extra tickets refunded is pointless for him if he has other resources to use for his personal ticket purchase, and the gold could have been used for rankups.
    That's on him. He CHOSE to help out his teammate. He could've just saved that extra gold, but he didn't. He signed it over to the alliance.
  • CurtisisGod1971CurtisisGod1971 Posts: 32
    My main issue is it should be tit for tat. Not 5 months worth. The TOTAL alliance treasury should be re-compensated with the tickets. We’ve been storing for years. Had over 20 million total. 5 months isn’t the correct equivalent. Total for total. That’s fair.
    Sure, I’d like the resources back myself; nevertheless, I realize they were donated for alliance quests etc, so, the sum total of all donations that were in the coffers when Kabam just took them, is the ethical thing to do.
    Ban the cheaters and refund the alliance coffers with equivalent tickets for the entire sum.
    @Kabam Mike
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 356 ★★

    My main issue is it should be tit for tat. Not 5 months worth. The TOTAL alliance treasury should be re-compensated with the tickets. We’ve been storing for years. Had over 20 million total. 5 months isn’t the correct equivalent. Total for total. That’s fair.
    Sure, I’d like the resources back myself; nevertheless, I realize they were donated for alliance quests etc, so, the sum total of all donations that were in the coffers when Kabam just took them, is the ethical thing to do.
    Ban the cheaters and refund the alliance coffers with equivalent tickets for the entire sum.
    @Kabam Mike

    I completely agree. Alliances with loads of resources in their Treasury are being cheated out of their hard work.
  • KnightZeroKnightZero Posts: 295 ★★
    edited May 23

    Think about it this way.
    Player A has 1,000,000 gold.
    Player B has 2,000,000 gold. He donates 1,000,000 to his alliance. He no longer owns the 1,000,000 gold he donated.

    Player A and Player B both rank up their champs using the gold they have.

    Now, if Player B was compensated with his donations:
    Player B would get 1,000,000 gold. Now I understand that he earned that gold. But by choosing to donate it to his alliance and therefore surrendering his rights to his gold, he gains an advantage because in the normal setting, that gold would not be used to rank up his champs. Since he made the decision to contribute his resources towards AQ, his resources should not be able to be refunded and used for something that is not AQ related.

    Do you see why it's unfair to other players?

    He's getting the 1,000,000 gold in the form of tickets. Getting it in the form of gold when suddenly a better conversion rate for units-resources has been offered is fair. Before, you would have to spend over 450 units to get 1.3 mill gold if I'm not mistaken. Now that the conversion rate is improved, you get the opportunity to save the old resources that you couldn't previously.
    Also, another option would be to give us the gold but only allow us to spend it on tickets. Due to the increase in cost for each ticket increasing when you use the same resource, getting 150 tickets at once for 1.3 mill gold is a loss. You can get more than that if you're willing to stagger it out over 3 weeks.
    No, I get that he's getting the 1,000,000 in tickets. I was responding to the people who want resources instead of tickets. I don't think that Kabam should give out resources, such as gold, that could be used in other ways rather than AQ.
    Yeah and I'm saying that giving it in the form of gold usable only to buy tickets is still better than giving me tickets. Because I can buy more if I stagger the way I buy it. Also, as I said, the conversion for units-gold(tickets) is more profitable than it was before. Refunding in tickets doesn't take that into account.

    Think about it this way.
    Player A has 1,000,000 gold.
    Player B has 2,000,000 gold. He donates 1,000,000 to his alliance. He no longer owns the 1,000,000 gold he donated.

    Player A and Player B both rank up their champs using the gold they have.

    Now, if Player B was compensated with his donations:
    Player B would get 1,000,000 gold. Now I understand that he earned that gold. But by choosing to donate it to his alliance and therefore surrendering his rights to his gold, he gains an advantage because in the normal setting, that gold would not be used to rank up his champs. Since he made the decision to contribute his resources towards AQ, his resources should not be able to be refunded and used for something that is not AQ related.

    Do you see why it's unfair to other players?

    Another flaw is the timing. This should have been announced in advance. Someone might have donated to help others in their gold donations. Getting the extra tickets refunded is pointless for him if he has other resources to use for his personal ticket purchase, and the gold could have been used for rankups.
    That's on him. He CHOSE to help out his teammate. He could've just saved that extra gold, but he didn't. He signed it over to the alliance.
    That's silly. IF I donated 5 mill gold an hour before the announcement was made to help out in donations, it was because at that point in time, the only way to help out was by donating for others. But had I known that this was to occur in a ln hour, I wouldn't have donated.
    Because I don't need the 5 mill as refund in the form of tickets when I can use other resources or units to buy them. I would have signed it over to help the ALLIANCE. But where is the Alliance being helped now with the ticket refund?
    It's all about communication.
  • tafretafre Posts: 326 ★★★
    tafre said:

    Mike439 said:

    How/when does the ticket store (don’t know what to call it) reset?

    Is 450 units worth of tickets for 1 week of map 7 accurate?

    How can the alliance ensure players have tickets on hand to pay for the week? There is potential for players bad at accounting to leave the other players high and dry for the week.

    The price of tickets will reset on the same schedule as the Glory Store!

    450 Tickets is the price of 150 Tickets, which is 5 days of Alliance Quests.

    It's not really possible to know what each of your members has on hand, but that's why we wanted to make costs more flexible. If you don't have a lot of Loyalty to use, you can use Gold or Battle Chips, etc.
    My suggestion - turn the stuff in the treasury into AQ tickets.
    Make the tickets buyable for individuals like you’re doing but make them donate tickets to the treasury instead off Resources.
    Same purpose of tickets but the alliance can split the cost evenly like before.

    If you run map 6 in 1 bg and 5 in 2 you need 75 tickets per week/150 per 2 weeks so 30 people can each donate 5 tickets every 2 weeks or something
    That defeats the goal of fighting Treasury Loaders and actually makes it much easier for them.
    First of all I really like that these measures against Treasury loaders have been taken. That is a good thing to see. The main thing most people do not like about this change is purely because of mixed map battle groups as you guys have on the announcement. I am in an ally where we do map6 in 2 BGs and in my BG we do 3 days of map 7 and 2 days of map6. With the new system, like so many have pointed out, not only will I be doing the hard content but I will also be paying a higher amount to do the higher difficulty but everybody will get the same rewards. Nobody likes this and if I did not read something incorrectly you guys acknowledge that alliances like mine, those which run mixed BGs, are the main concern that you would like to work on with this update. Here is my suggestion.

    Let other alliance members who are running lower maps buy and possibly gift tickets to the guys running the higher difficulty. Yes people will exploit this for sure but there is a catch. Gifting these tickets will only be possible while AQ is active. Then it shuts down immediately when the AQ timer ends. Also add a possible limit to the amount of tickets that can be gifted in each AQ iteration to a certain number to avoid exploita even further. This way people are locked in this alliance because nobody would want to leave during AQ and the person who replaces an empty spot does not get AQ rewards anyways because they joined late. So nobody will leave the ally during AQ for a short period just to have somebody gift tickets and immediately join back.

    This is my possible solution to what seems to be the main problem at hand. I think you have the tools to make this possible. Please try to add onto the idea or state whether or not you like it.
    @Kabam Miike Forgot to tag you on the suggestion I made so doing it now lol. I do not know if a suggestion of this kind has been made by any developer or player but I think this would be a great solution to what people most dislike about the new system, hope your read and consider it! Please let me know if there are any flaws as well, maybe I can to fix it to be better.
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