Players.. “game has progressed to 6* champs, we need 6* stones and shards” Kabam... “here’s some 5* stones and shards”
Is that what players are saying? I guess I missed that over the everyone else saying that the change doesn't benefit anyone lower than Cavalier. Or are you saying that everyone, from UC down to Proven, has progressed to 6* champs?
The reasonable assumption here is that the next higher difficulty tier and content path to it haven't been finalized yet, so the rewards for them haven't been finalized yet, so they have to be cautious about rewards they add to content that was designed long ago and are changing literally on the spur of the moment to address feedback concerns.
Plus, I've never understood the concept of the "meta" being that the game has progressed to 6* champs, so there's not enough supply of 6* champs and rank up materials. If there aren't enough ways to get them or rank them up, then having the "meta" be that everyone should focus on them seems illogical. If you're focusing on the thing you can't get enough of, that's a bad game decision.
I think my one issue with quests like these is that you need to have a roster that allows you to select s team of 5 champions who can deal with a potentially diverse set of challenges. But then, if you have that roster, the rewards are never useful for the person who has such a roster. Personally, 15k 5* shards and 20 5* sig stone crystals doesn't really get me anywhere. Is the quest hard for me? No, not with my champs, but even the 5* rewards are lower than what we have typically seen from a side quest over the past 6 months.
Then you have other players complaining the quest is too hard. I suspect these players are the ones trying desperately to expand their 5* roster in order to tackle the rest of Act 5 or first half of Act 6. That's exactly who these rewards seem to be targeted for, but then they can't do it either because their roster isn't at a point yet where they have the skill and 5 champions on their roster to tackle any set of nodes. Besides for the greater solo crystal shards (which are sort of embarrassing), my issue with the rewards are not that they're outdated. Rather, they're stuck in no-mans-land between players who can't obtain them and players who don't really need them anymore.
But who knows, maybe I'm out of touch with the current midgame player.
If I have a gripe about the content, it is that the structure of the content makes counterplay impossible. We can't see what the map looks like and bring a team that counters the randomly selected nodes, or strategically counters some and attempts to reroll specific ones. That's of course a side effect of the map mechanics, and maybe not 100% intentional, but it is also not a reward-specific gripe.
You could argue that the specific way this type of content presents difficulty challenges rosters in a very special way, and that therefore the relative value of the rewards to difficulty is lower than for the typical Epic event, but I think that's more a problem with the difficulty than the rewards. People aren't being asked to bring a team that can do the content, they are being asked to bring a team that can do all possible versions of the content. If there was a way for players to narrow the requirements of the team they brought to target what was there rather than what could possibly be there, I think the rewards would be less debatably in line with difficulty.
But honestly, the game in its current form is unable to handle this kind of situation. The problem is champion acquisition is random, and the only mechanism to deal with randomness (outside of the rare Nexus crystal) is to flood the player with them. Kabam doesn't want to eliminate the former, and they can't do the latter, and that puts the rewards in a similar kind of no-man's land.
Addressing this specific problem is the problem that currently occupies the most mind share for me right now. I think 5* resources would be much better appreciated rewards if 5* pulls had a higher probability of targeting what players need to progress, either approaching UC, at UC, or even at Cavalier. I'm Cavalier, and there's still a lot of 5* champs that would help me and I would rank up in a second. It is just that a one in 150 chance of getting a particular one dilutes the value of 5* crystals. In fact, I would say more targeted 5* champs would be significantly more valuable to most players' progress than normal 6* crystals would be. I actually think when Kabam says that 5* champs are appropriate rewards, they are correct. The problem is we don't get 5* champs, we get 5* crystals and shards. And that's a critical distinction.
How to do this in a way that still fits in the way rewards are managed in MCOC is the tricky part. Believe me, I have half a legal pad of scribbles.
This event is not good at all. The shards you receive upon completing the modok labs are a joke, especially for those who struggle with epic but don't need masters rewards. It feels as if Kabam don't want players to progress. Plus this coin system is ridiculous, only one thing of value and it cost 1000 coins. When Kabam received some criticism on this a few minutes early, Kabam Porthos took it down, proving Kabam don't acknowledge our feedback. Fix up the rewards and you'll have everyone's gratitude.
Thank you all for your patience as we worked to address your feedback on the rewards for this event. We recognize that this store does not feature the rewards that our end-game players are looking for. Rewards reflect the difficulty, and the progression level we aim for, which in this case has not been our end game players. '
Originally, our intention was to have Book 2 Act 1 starting this month, or soon after, which would have given our most experienced Summoners something to dig in to, but as you know, we've pushed that back.
We will also have more content aimed at our endgame players next month. We'll have more information on that for you before the end of the week, so please keep an eye out on the forums for more on how we'll be starting on our playable road to the Cavalier Difficulty level. (No, that doesn't mean Cavalier difficulty is coming next month...)
For this event, we're going to add a few more things to the store that our players have requested (though, not everything requested... We've got to save some stuff for the higher difficulty level!). Special shout out once again to our CCP and the members of the community that shared their thoughts with us on this subject constructively and eloquently.
For Cavalier Players, we will be adding the following options to the Store: - 5-Star Generic Signature Stones (Limit 20, 16 Coins) - 1000 5-Star Shards (Limit 15, 20 Coins)
Additionally, we're increasing the Maximum T5B Catalyst Fragments from 3 to 5.
This will be live in-game tomorrow. We don't have a definite time yet, and the prices are still subject to change, but we wanted to let you all know as soon as possible.
The updated rewards given are utterly ridiculous. The level of difficulty is definitely cavalier level on epic and what, Kabam management think that adding to the store some of the items required for this level of difficulty is enough?? Without an increase to the number of coins, this is meaningless because you are just replacing other rewards you could have purchased. They have wrapped up a gift, but under the wrapping is a turd. We have gained nothing because a lot of people are probably going to clear their resources trying to get through this terrible terrible side quest. They needed to double the completion rewards, add the items to the store and add the number of gold coins that the added rewards cost on top of the 3024 currently available so that these rewards were in addition to the current ones not instead of. An absolute joke of a response @Kabam Miike (PS i do understand this is not your decision and that you are just the messenger)
Thank you all for your patience as we worked to address your feedback on the rewards for this event. We recognize that this store does not feature the rewards that our end-game players are looking for. Rewards reflect the difficulty, and the progression level we aim for, which in this case has not been our end game players. '
Originally, our intention was to have Book 2 Act 1 starting this month, or soon after, which would have given our most experienced Summoners something to dig in to, but as you know, we've pushed that back.
We will also have more content aimed at our endgame players next month. We'll have more information on that for you before the end of the week, so please keep an eye out on the forums for more on how we'll be starting on our playable road to the Cavalier Difficulty level. (No, that doesn't mean Cavalier difficulty is coming next month...)
For this event, we're going to add a few more things to the store that our players have requested (though, not everything requested... We've got to save some stuff for the higher difficulty level!). Special shout out once again to our CCP and the members of the community that shared their thoughts with us on this subject constructively and eloquently.
For Cavalier Players, we will be adding the following options to the Store: - 5-Star Generic Signature Stones (Limit 20, 16 Coins) - 1000 5-Star Shards (Limit 15, 20 Coins)
Additionally, we're increasing the Maximum T5B Catalyst Fragments from 3 to 5.
This will be live in-game tomorrow. We don't have a definite time yet, and the prices are still subject to change, but we wanted to let you all know as soon as possible.
The updated rewards given are utterly ridiculous. The level of difficulty is definitely cavalier level on epic and what, Kabam management think that adding to the store some of the items required for this level of difficulty is enough?? Without an increase to the number of coins, this is meaningless because you are just replacing other rewards you could have purchased. They have wrapped up a gift, but under th
Thank you all for your patience as we worked to address your feedback on the rewards for this event. We recognize that this store does not feature the rewards that our end-game players are looking for. Rewards reflect the difficulty, and the progression level we aim for, which in this case has not been our end game players. '
Originally, our intention was to have Book 2 Act 1 starting this month, or soon after, which would have given our most experienced Summoners something to dig in to, but as you know, we've pushed that back.
We will also have more content aimed at our endgame players next month. We'll have more information on that for you before the end of the week, so please keep an eye out on the forums for more on how we'll be starting on our playable road to the Cavalier Difficulty level. (No, that doesn't mean Cavalier difficulty is coming next month...)
For this event, we're going to add a few more things to the store that our players have requested (though, not everything requested... We've got to save some stuff for the higher difficulty level!). Special shout out once again to our CCP and the members of the community that shared their thoughts with us on this subject constructively and eloquently.
For Cavalier Players, we will be adding the following options to the Store: - 5-Star Generic Signature Stones (Limit 20, 16 Coins) - 1000 5-Star Shards (Limit 15, 20 Coins)
Additionally, we're increasing the Maximum T5B Catalyst Fragments from 3 to 5.
This will be live in-game tomorrow. We don't have a definite time yet, and the prices are still subject to change, but we wanted to let you all know as soon as possible.
Thanks Mike for your effort but what about uncolleted players no 5* shards for us.
Good job Kabam. Side quest with no energy and ridiculously easy for decent daily rewards.
One hav to disagree it not esay it not hard either. Some with skil can get thuget it Somone like me with 23 rank5 not gone hav a isuse because I’m Beyond uc lvl. Wil said the rewards isn’t decent either. Alest gav us 750 5 stars. Mabye 100 6 shard pair day wil not break the economy of the game my 6 star is not not great is it bad no I’m just Hav 2 tier5c of tech with no isuse kabam Rng is the one to blamed for that do that’s meant I’m not at 6 star rank3 probably yes because I’m Not Hav the rng with mean Hav I’m done abyss yes 100 procent no Hav 4 part left my goal to do yes when I’m Hav got at 6 stars tech worth rank3 the only half decent I’m hav is Mysterio Not enjoy him
Man this is confusing as all hell...I thought we could do all difficulties like in 2018 (modok labs ran 3x day and had 5* sig stones in rewards 50% chance and same rewards as epic now). I went and did master and somehow missed the first days ticket because my phone didn't update. I was thinking because there was a timer counting down that it was a daily event....
Kabam, this is really poorly executed, and I just saw rewards and sinister labs in 2019 was better
@Kabam Miike you guys have surely increased the rewards, but what about the cap on coins that we can get? we can't even buy all of the Uncollected and Cavalier Items with the amount of gold coins that will be available.
The updated rewards given are utterly ridiculous. The level of difficulty is definitely cavalier level on epic and what, Kabam management think that adding to the store some of the items required for this level of difficulty is enough?? Without an increase to the number of coins, this is meaningless because you are just replacing other rewards you could have purchased. They have wrapped up a gift, but under the wrapping is a turd. We have gained nothing because a lot of people are probably going to clear their resources trying to get through this terrible terrible side quest. They needed to double the completion rewards, add the items to the store and add the number of gold coins that the added rewards cost on top of the 3024 currently available so that these rewards were in addition to the current ones not instead of. An absolute joke of a response @Kabam Miike (PS i do understand this is not your decision and that you are just the messenger)
These were my thoughts as well when I read that post last night. I had already used every gold coin I accumulated up to that point on 5* sig stone crystals (I already have 18/20). If I had the choice between one and the other knowing I could only use 3024 coins I wouldn’t have wasted my coins on the crystals and went straight for the generics.
Now I have to decide if I want to get the generics and loss out on other stuff I intended on getting (e.g., revives, t5b shards).
The updated rewards given are utterly ridiculous. The level of difficulty is definitely cavalier level on epic and what, Kabam management think that adding to the store some of the items required for this level of difficulty is enough?? Without an increase to the number of coins, this is meaningless because you are just replacing other rewards you could have purchased. They have wrapped up a gift, but under the wrapping is a turd. We have gained nothing because a lot of people are probably going to clear their resources trying to get through this terrible terrible side quest. They needed to double the completion rewards, add the items to the store and add the number of gold coins that the added rewards cost on top of the 3024 currently available so that these rewards were in addition to the current ones not instead of. An absolute joke of a response @Kabam Miike (PS i do understand this is not your decision and that you are just the messenger)
These were my thoughts as well when I read that post last night. I had already used every gold coin I accumulated up to that point on 5* sig stone crystals (I already have 18/20). If I had the choice between one and the other knowing I could only use 3024 coins I wouldn’t have wasted my coins on the crystals and went straight for the generics.
Now I have to decide if I want to get the generics and loss out on other stuff I intended on getting (e.g., revives, t5b shards).
You knew that there was a possibility that the rewards would be buffed or changed so why did you buy rewards on the FIRST day? Don't blame Kabam for that, that's on you. You could've waited until the end of the even to spend your coins.
Very disappointing You said that will be positive changes and the game will follow the right way. Why you don't want to listen us? The game will become very boring and we will replace it with oder games or activities. This month I don't even want to do the M.O.D.O.K missions for those rewards.
Wish the Gold Coins in the rewards were also increased. Even with additional store items, the currency is still limited and would still prevent us summoners from obtaining many of the items we need.
Wish the Gold Coins in the rewards were also increased. Even with additional store items, the currency is still limited and would still prevent us summoners from obtaining many of the items we need.
We'll probably have to spend £50 cash to get any additional coins, reiterating the fact that this game is pay to progress and reiterating the fact that Kabam do not care about players that are not pumping wads of money into their game
This store is a joke. 4* shards? 20 random class sigs? You make a big deal out of obtaining Cavalier then don’t reward us for getting there and keeping up on new/difficult content. You guys are jokers. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
so was doing some math and would be glad to get some clarity from kabam or anyone here ...as per the announcement we have a total of 3024 coins this month ....this event will run from 3rd june to 30 june and the event changes on 1 july ...so effectively we have 28 days to receive rewards...epic gives 60 coins per day (i.e. 60 *28 = 1680) ....daily solo event gives 36 coins per day (i.e. 36 * 28 = 1008) .... there will be 13 contracts in a month from yesterdays contract we received 20 coins (i.e. 20 * 13 = 260)
1680 + 1008 + 260 = 2948
that leaves with a deficit of 76 coins out of 3024....
the only explanation i can think of is the contracts will have varying amount of coins ... is kabam counting 1 july as well but that again does not add up as adding one more day will add 60 + 36 = 96 ...which is more than the limit of 3024
can someone from kabam explain on this or provide more clarity....
Here is my issue. Epic is for all intents and purposes for anyone Uncollected and up. In reality, for anyone capable of it, but the majority have been people capable of Uncollected. Most of the time the difficulty of it is within consistent range. Especially for something that needs to be done once a day. People do it month after month because they need said Rewards to develop their Accounts. Not just because they want to. Not just because they "can always pass or do lower", or "get better". They know they're fully capable of Epic because they've done it month after month. Then a month comes that the amount of difficulty is jacked up because "What about the End-Game Players?". They say they're bored and want it harder and harder. Only they scarcely need the extra 5* and 1k 6* Shards. So what you end up doing is making a Difficulty noticeably harder for a very large number of people compared to the number that are bored and not challenged by it at all, all so they aren't satisfied with the Rewards. Meanwhile, the rest of the people not in that small number are left with discouragement and frustration for an entire month, and having to settle for Rewards that barely suit them. Then they're told they're just not skilled enough. Git gud. I've made this point repeatedly, and I will make it everytime it comes up. Taking Epic and jacking it up just to make End-Game people happy is a huge flaw. Add something else for Cavalier only if that's the case. Even if the EQ isn't out yet. There are far more people being left with a sour taste in their mouth all month long than those who are whizzes. It's disappointing to be able to complete one aspect consistently and depend on those Resources, only to be told now and then "Not this month. Maybe next.".
Aren't you always the one telling people that if they don't have the roster they should be patient? As a Cavalier player this difficulty seems just fine for me. 26 r5 champs, I might lose one or two champions tops per run.
I would like you to keep this feeling in mind the next time you respond about act 6.
Nothing to say right now, but I've raised this with the team. This is an event that is live tomorrow, so I'm not sure what is possible/if anything is possible.
Oh then why didn't kabam posted the announcement earlier?
I know this is later than usual, but there's been a lot going on lately that has required our attention. That one is on me, and I apologize for that.
If we’re being honest, attaching some gold coins with the daily specials is a just good business. There are plenty of gold coins available for free. From a business standpoint offering extra ones for a small amount of cash is enticing to a lot of people.
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You could argue that the specific way this type of content presents difficulty challenges rosters in a very special way, and that therefore the relative value of the rewards to difficulty is lower than for the typical Epic event, but I think that's more a problem with the difficulty than the rewards. People aren't being asked to bring a team that can do the content, they are being asked to bring a team that can do all possible versions of the content. If there was a way for players to narrow the requirements of the team they brought to target what was there rather than what could possibly be there, I think the rewards would be less debatably in line with difficulty.
But honestly, the game in its current form is unable to handle this kind of situation. The problem is champion acquisition is random, and the only mechanism to deal with randomness (outside of the rare Nexus crystal) is to flood the player with them. Kabam doesn't want to eliminate the former, and they can't do the latter, and that puts the rewards in a similar kind of no-man's land.
Addressing this specific problem is the problem that currently occupies the most mind share for me right now. I think 5* resources would be much better appreciated rewards if 5* pulls had a higher probability of targeting what players need to progress, either approaching UC, at UC, or even at Cavalier. I'm Cavalier, and there's still a lot of 5* champs that would help me and I would rank up in a second. It is just that a one in 150 chance of getting a particular one dilutes the value of 5* crystals. In fact, I would say more targeted 5* champs would be significantly more valuable to most players' progress than normal 6* crystals would be. I actually think when Kabam says that 5* champs are appropriate rewards, they are correct. The problem is we don't get 5* champs, we get 5* crystals and shards. And that's a critical distinction.
How to do this in a way that still fits in the way rewards are managed in MCOC is the tricky part. Believe me, I have half a legal pad of scribbles.
The shards you receive upon completing the modok labs are a joke, especially for those who struggle with epic but don't need masters rewards. It feels as if Kabam don't want players to progress. Plus this coin system is ridiculous, only one thing of value and it cost 1000 coins.
When Kabam received some criticism on this a few minutes early, Kabam Porthos took it down, proving Kabam don't acknowledge our feedback.
Fix up the rewards and you'll have everyone's gratitude.
Not Hav the rng with mean Hav I’m done abyss yes 100 procent no Hav 4 part left my goal to do yes when I’m Hav got at 6 stars tech worth rank3 the only half decent I’m hav is
Mysterio Not enjoy him
Kabam, this is really poorly executed, and I just saw rewards and sinister labs in 2019 was better
Now I have to decide if I want to get the generics and loss out on other stuff I intended on getting (e.g., revives, t5b shards).
You said that will be positive changes and the game will follow the right way.
Why you don't want to listen us? The game will become very boring and we will replace it with oder games or activities. This month I don't even want to do the M.O.D.O.K missions for those rewards.
27 x 20 = 540 ( solo objectives)
It doesn’t add up to 3024 coins . Am I missing some quest or something else ????
Someone please explain to me !!!!
1680 + 1008 + 260 = 2948
that leaves with a deficit of 76 coins out of 3024....
the only explanation i can think of is the contracts will have varying amount of coins ... is kabam counting 1 july as well but that again does not add up as adding one more day will add 60 + 36 = 96 ...which is more than the limit of 3024
can someone from kabam explain on this or provide more clarity....
I would like you to keep this feeling in mind the next time you respond about act 6.