How to counter Alliances that place no defense.
Superman69
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So this is going around a lot now, and majority of people think that you cannot beat these alliances that place no defense. Well here, i'll tell you how you can win against such alliances.
The answer is simple = DIVERSITY.
'You need to place AT LEAST 121 diverse champions to win against alliances with no defense.'
Now i'll be proving my statement here :
Before anything else though, i would like to mention here that this should NOT be possible according to what Kabam said in their Official AW update thread, as there are only around 107 Playable Characters in the game yet. (This just shows how broken their update was in the first place. They didn't even test such a simple possibility.)
BUT, as usual, some screw-up happened and diversity is being calculated per bg (which imo is better) So you can get a maximum of 150 diversity, theoretically.
1) Now first, i'll explain it with max diversity.
Say you place 50 different defenders in each BG. Per current system, the points you'll be getting would be:
Def. placement = 150 x 50 = 7500
Def. Diversity = 150 x 125 = 18750.
Total = 26250
Now there's also Def. Rating which can be around 1-2k (For 150 champs, it's around 1M for my alliance so we get around 2000 points)
So Total becomes = 28000 (rounding it off)
2) Now, what happens when an alliance places no defense at all and your defense is full.
They get points for attacker kills while you do not. (THIS is where kabam screwed up. They increased the attacker kill points, while decreasing the defender placement points and REMOVING defender kills, thus making the defense useless.)
So, Atk. kills = 150 x 150 = 22,500.
But since they have no defense, they'll miss out on all the defender-related points.
So you see, by placing all diverse champions you have an advantage of almost 6000 points.
3) For my first statement,
Least diversity req. to win = 121
Points :
Placement = 50 x 150 = 7500
Diversity = 125 x 121 = 15125
TOTAL = 22,625.
Thus, an advantage of 125 points. (even more with the defender rating points)
So basically, this is how AW scoring is ranked (after boss kills and exploration) :
1) DIVERSE/ UNIQUE DEFENDERS - Worth 175-185 points each.
2) Attacker Kills - Worth 150 points each.
P.S = All the calculations are considering that you place ALL 150 champs. If you want to place less than that, just make sure all are diverse. That way, whatever number of champions you place, you'll have an advantage over empty defense alliances.
Because 1 diverse defender = 175 points (placement + diversity. Add +10 for rating as well) while 1 attacker kill = 150 points.
P.P.S = All this is considering if both alliances clear all 3 bosses and get 100% exploration.
So to sum all this up, EACH UNIQUE DEFENDER GIVES YOU A NET +25-35 points, while EACH REPEAT DEFENDER GIVES YOU A -100.
The answer is simple = DIVERSITY.
'You need to place AT LEAST 121 diverse champions to win against alliances with no defense.'
Now i'll be proving my statement here :
Before anything else though, i would like to mention here that this should NOT be possible according to what Kabam said in their Official AW update thread, as there are only around 107 Playable Characters in the game yet. (This just shows how broken their update was in the first place. They didn't even test such a simple possibility.)
BUT, as usual, some screw-up happened and diversity is being calculated per bg (which imo is better) So you can get a maximum of 150 diversity, theoretically.
1) Now first, i'll explain it with max diversity.
Say you place 50 different defenders in each BG. Per current system, the points you'll be getting would be:
Def. placement = 150 x 50 = 7500
Def. Diversity = 150 x 125 = 18750.
Total = 26250
Now there's also Def. Rating which can be around 1-2k (For 150 champs, it's around 1M for my alliance so we get around 2000 points)
So Total becomes = 28000 (rounding it off)
2) Now, what happens when an alliance places no defense at all and your defense is full.
They get points for attacker kills while you do not. (THIS is where kabam screwed up. They increased the attacker kill points, while decreasing the defender placement points and REMOVING defender kills, thus making the defense useless.)
So, Atk. kills = 150 x 150 = 22,500.
But since they have no defense, they'll miss out on all the defender-related points.
So you see, by placing all diverse champions you have an advantage of almost 6000 points.
3) For my first statement,
Least diversity req. to win = 121
Points :
Placement = 50 x 150 = 7500
Diversity = 125 x 121 = 15125
TOTAL = 22,625.
Thus, an advantage of 125 points. (even more with the defender rating points)
So basically, this is how AW scoring is ranked (after boss kills and exploration) :
1) DIVERSE/ UNIQUE DEFENDERS - Worth 175-185 points each.
2) Attacker Kills - Worth 150 points each.
P.S = All the calculations are considering that you place ALL 150 champs. If you want to place less than that, just make sure all are diverse. That way, whatever number of champions you place, you'll have an advantage over empty defense alliances.
Because 1 diverse defender = 175 points (placement + diversity. Add +10 for rating as well) while 1 attacker kill = 150 points.
P.P.S = All this is considering if both alliances clear all 3 bosses and get 100% exploration.
So to sum all this up, EACH UNIQUE DEFENDER GIVES YOU A NET +25-35 points, while EACH REPEAT DEFENDER GIVES YOU A -100.
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Comments
Yep. Totally agree
Just doing my bit for the community.
Also, i forgot to mention, when both alliances get Max. Diversity, it'll be decided by Defender Rating Points.
They made war cost less units for nonspenders and completely crushed my desire to arena grind. Now war comes down to who has bought the most crystals. While crystal buying is kabam'sbread and butter I assume, it really seems like they missed the part that people only play games for fun.
If people just wanted to do nothing but collect, they would play Pokémon go.
Which will mean who has the defense with the highest prestige...aaaaaand there we go again. Yay!
Yeah lol, just watched it too. Same thing. Oh well.
Technically it'll be dead by 2019, as per kabam release calendar, so it's ahead of schedule
Unless people are selling champs, everyone should have 50 unique defenders when u factor in 3*s and 2*s unless you are really new to the game.
Would I be excited about putting 2*s on defense? No. But ultimately, the vast majority of the nodes are so easy the difficulty of the defender doesn't matter anyway.