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  • Mcord11758Mcord11758 Posts: 1,257 ★★★★
    Mauled said:

    I will just say this as someone who has been looking at the abyss out of the corner of my eye but has not done any of it. I have R5 doom, Nick fury, Aegon (low sig), R5 max sig void (no torch), and Antman for the evade synergy. For me, this announcement makes it no more likely that I decide to run a single pass yet alone worry about exploration. I think if the goal was to entice people to play the content, this is not going to be effective at all. If this was an attempt to say thank you to players who have explored it, I am sure it is appreciated

    A single pass of AoL is probably a better use of 5k units than anything else in the game. Idk what it costs for most people to explore 6.2 but I wouldn’t be surprised if most people don’t drop an Odin on Champion alone.

    I don't have a Sinister counter so I left 6.2 at 54% atm. I did explore 6.3 and ahve 6.4 at 44%

    I am at 1,300 units atm. we will see if I decide to save for the abyss, like I said it is in the corner of my eye. My point was I am just not certain this makes me more likely to do it.
  • KnightZeroKnightZero Posts: 727 ★★★

    Knation said:

    MCOC_2020 said:

    Haji_Saab said:

    Sooo people who have already 100% gets extra 15k 6* shards ...

    Why? this was never announced that if you do Abyss early you will get extra rewards

    All content is subject to change, and that includes Encounters, rewards, Champion abilities, etc. This will never be announced at the outset because our intention wasn't to change the rewards later.
    That is absolutly unfair.
    You are saying, that you want a fair competition and the fairness now is, that everyone exploring the abyss after the 25th gettin 15k 6* shards less?

    That is ridicilous!
    For that 15k, you get a Crystal that gives you a choice of one of 10 Champs. That currently doesn't exist in the game. Really nothing to be upset about.
    Well it’s more the fact that people who already 100% it know what t5cc they have and so can choose accordingly people who 100% after the change cannot
    If they have one, they know what they want. If they don't, then they can choose what they're going for. It's not that hard of a choice. 6 Classes. We all know what we're gunning for.
    How can you choose your T5cc?
    You choose the Champ you want. Who said the Cat must be choice as well?
    We're asking the option to know which champ to target. When you spend that much for 100% exploration, it makes sense.
    I understand the thought behind that and agree but in the end this is still a win for someone going through this. You'll eventually form every class of catalyst you won't necessarily eventually get or even get a good shot at a specific champ you want. People know who they want regardless of what catalysts they have. Yes, this would definitely be MUCH better if you could open all your t5c (at least you'll still have opened 1) but is still a very positive change for the vast majority of players.

    Personally it really doesn't do much for me but I'm glad that other people that have been wanting better odds at 6*s they want will have that option now. This is exactly what people have been asking for just not delivered particularly well.
    I agree that it's a positive change. I like the crystal. Definitely a step in the right direction. But they went about it in the wrong way. Reducing shards and making you open the crystal first is just plain wrong. Instead of being taken as a positive change which is was supposed to be, it has instead again created a difference between the player base.
    Like I said, not delivered particularly well at all lol.

    Regardless I think people would be a lot better off not always just focusing on the negative aspect of everything. In the end this is a big plus especially for those that aren't heavy spenders. They have really good odds at targeting a champ while not really giving the "whales" any more advantage. They have most of the champs they need already so giving out a t5c selector just gives me my 7th R3. This change does nothing for me personally but a whole lot for a lot more people
    I agree, but it does create a problem. Does that mean that in the future, every time they update Rewards newer players get the short end? Because if they do it once, they can do it again. And that's a bad standard to keep. It forces people to complete content earlier on if they would want the full rewards plus POSSIBLE additional rewards, thus again creating the problem of folks complaining if they do content without the right roster or time taken to plan.
    This isn't the 1st time something like this has happened at all and it pretty much went down the same way previously
    Basically something is broken, let it remain broken? That's not something that endears them to the player base.
    Not what I said at all. Just that this is far from the incident to set any precedent.
    Not saying that you said it. I'm saying that it's what it looks like when Kabam does it.

    Here's the thing. The Abyss Nexus bypasses the RNG in spades. Do the math at the chances compared to Basics, Featured, or even regular Nexus Crystals. That's nothing to scoff at, really.
    However, I'm not sure where the expectation developed that all the RNG MUST line up perfectly between the Cat and the Champ. Thats one of those rare occurrences in RNG that's more akin to Acts of God (RNGesus) than anything. It doesn't always work out that way, and just because the content is more difficult doesn't mean that changes it. Sometimes things line up perfectly. Sometimes they don't.

    Don't think you're able to understand the difficulty in getting a T5cc. Atleast if you know what class you have, you can target the class of champs. Especially since those who have finished it, have that option since they know the class they have to focus on based on the T5cc they have.
    Let's be rational. This isn't the only place T5CCs are available, and we know based on the game's history that they will be made more available in due course.
    It's Abyss, Act 6 and placing amongst the Top few in AW seasons. Otherwise, it's a gradual and random way of obtaining T5cc that might take even a year to form one.
    Also, in due course can be anytime. Could be in a month, could be in a year. Depends on how they want to take the game. 7* definitely not coming anytime soon, and they won't make T5cc common till that most likely. It's how T5b was rare initially and took a long time before people could get it.
  • DuffMcGruffDuffMcGruff Posts: 279 ★★★
    edited June 2020
    I saw your post "@BrianGrant" and I agree. Lol
  • OdachiOdachi Posts: 550 ★★★
    Posts is heaving now and not planning to read the 100-odd posts I've missed but what about putting the abyss crystal in an ingame mail to claim that activates a little later, like the uncollected title or the deadpool emails?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 26,320 ★★★★★
    edited June 2020

    Knation said:

    MCOC_2020 said:

    Haji_Saab said:

    Sooo people who have already 100% gets extra 15k 6* shards ...

    Why? this was never announced that if you do Abyss early you will get extra rewards

    All content is subject to change, and that includes Encounters, rewards, Champion abilities, etc. This will never be announced at the outset because our intention wasn't to change the rewards later.
    That is absolutly unfair.
    You are saying, that you want a fair competition and the fairness now is, that everyone exploring the abyss after the 25th gettin 15k 6* shards less?

    That is ridicilous!
    For that 15k, you get a Crystal that gives you a choice of one of 10 Champs. That currently doesn't exist in the game. Really nothing to be upset about.
    Well it’s more the fact that people who already 100% it know what t5cc they have and so can choose accordingly people who 100% after the change cannot
    If they have one, they know what they want. If they don't, then they can choose what they're going for. It's not that hard of a choice. 6 Classes. We all know what we're gunning for.
    How can you choose your T5cc?
    You choose the Champ you want. Who said the Cat must be choice as well?
    We're asking the option to know which champ to target. When you spend that much for 100% exploration, it makes sense.
    I understand the thought behind that and agree but in the end this is still a win for someone going through this. You'll eventually form every class of catalyst you won't necessarily eventually get or even get a good shot at a specific champ you want. People know who they want regardless of what catalysts they have. Yes, this would definitely be MUCH better if you could open all your t5c (at least you'll still have opened 1) but is still a very positive change for the vast majority of players.

    Personally it really doesn't do much for me but I'm glad that other people that have been wanting better odds at 6*s they want will have that option now. This is exactly what people have been asking for just not delivered particularly well.
    I agree that it's a positive change. I like the crystal. Definitely a step in the right direction. But they went about it in the wrong way. Reducing shards and making you open the crystal first is just plain wrong. Instead of being taken as a positive change which is was supposed to be, it has instead again created a difference between the player base.
    Like I said, not delivered particularly well at all lol.

    Regardless I think people would be a lot better off not always just focusing on the negative aspect of everything. In the end this is a big plus especially for those that aren't heavy spenders. They have really good odds at targeting a champ while not really giving the "whales" any more advantage. They have most of the champs they need already so giving out a t5c selector just gives me my 7th R3. This change does nothing for me personally but a whole lot for a lot more people
    I agree, but it does create a problem. Does that mean that in the future, every time they update Rewards newer players get the short end? Because if they do it once, they can do it again. And that's a bad standard to keep. It forces people to complete content earlier on if they would want the full rewards plus POSSIBLE additional rewards, thus again creating the problem of folks complaining if they do content without the right roster or time taken to plan.
    This isn't the 1st time something like this has happened at all and it pretty much went down the same way previously
    Basically something is broken, let it remain broken? That's not something that endears them to the player base.
    Not what I said at all. Just that this is far from the incident to set any precedent.
    Not saying that you said it. I'm saying that it's what it looks like when Kabam does it.

    Here's the thing. The Abyss Nexus bypasses the RNG in spades. Do the math at the chances compared to Basics, Featured, or even regular Nexus Crystals. That's nothing to scoff at, really.
    However, I'm not sure where the expectation developed that all the RNG MUST line up perfectly between the Cat and the Champ. Thats one of those rare occurrences in RNG that's more akin to Acts of God (RNGesus) than anything. It doesn't always work out that way, and just because the content is more difficult doesn't mean that changes it. Sometimes things line up perfectly. Sometimes they don't.

    Don't think you're able to understand the difficulty in getting a T5cc. Atleast if you know what class you have, you can target the class of champs. Especially since those who have finished it, have that option since they know the class they have to focus on based on the T5cc they have.
    Let's be rational. This isn't the only place T5CCs are available, and we know based on the game's history that they will be made more available in due course.
    It's Abyss, Act 6 and placing amongst the Top few in AW seasons. Otherwise, it's a gradual and random way of obtaining T5cc that might take even a year to form one.
    Also, in due course can be anytime. Could be in a month, could be in a year. Depends on how they want to take the game. 7* definitely not coming anytime soon, and they won't make T5cc common till that most likely. It's how T5b was rare initially and took a long time before people could get it.
    It might take time, sure. Everything does. We have Road to Cavalier coming, then Cavalier EQ, plus revisions to AW and AQ that happen periodically. These Cats aren't the end of Resources. We've been around long enough to know that constantly updating Rewards has been a priority of theirs, even if there are some areas like Solo Crystals that are due.
  • MauledMauled Posts: 2,381 ★★★★★

    Mauled said:

    I will just say this as someone who has been looking at the abyss out of the corner of my eye but has not done any of it. I have R5 doom, Nick fury, Aegon (low sig), R5 max sig void (no torch), and Antman for the evade synergy. For me, this announcement makes it no more likely that I decide to run a single pass yet alone worry about exploration. I think if the goal was to entice people to play the content, this is not going to be effective at all. If this was an attempt to say thank you to players who have explored it, I am sure it is appreciated

    A single pass of AoL is probably a better use of 5k units than anything else in the game. Idk what it costs for most people to explore 6.2 but I wouldn’t be surprised if most people don’t drop an Odin on Champion alone.

    I don't have a Sinister counter so I left 6.2 at 54% atm. I did explore 6.3 and ahve 6.4 at 44%

    I am at 1,300 units atm. we will see if I decide to save for the abyss, like I said it is in the corner of my eye. My point was I am just not certain this makes me more likely to do it.
    Oh I fully understand that - was just saying if you’re going to unit your way through something this is currently the best bang for your buck. I’m not touching 6.2 again until AoL 100% and 6.3 100% tbh. No thank you!
  • 10or_Strong10or_Strong Posts: 972 ★★★
    Like many others, the big problem I see with this selector is that you have to choose a class of crystal before you have a chance of opening your T5CC. If they really wanted the rewards to help Summoners feel as if 100% exploring the Abyss is a "monumental" (in their words) step forward in their progression, then they should make the selector something you can collect and then use AFTER you open the T5CC so you at least know what class of champion you should be looking for options in. I'm nowhere near having the time or patience needed to 100% the Abyss right now, but when I do, this doesn't really help make it seem anymore worthwhile an effort to me.
  • GreekhitGreekhit Posts: 1,330 ★★★★


    And the whales got the t5cc and are able to choose a class Nexus now... well done...

    Plus 15k 6* shards as bonus 🤣🤣🤣

  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 5,519 ★★★★★
    Knation said:

    Knation said:

    Ebony_Naw said:

    loader187 said:

    Ebony_Naw said:

    People who aren't able to 100% Abyss aren't being that heavily penalized. The difference is legit 5k 6* shards, as small price to pay given that one can chose between ten Champions of a given class.
    Reducing the total amount of shards has clearly led to some outrage, but those who haven't attempted Abyss yet, over five months after it's been released, aren't likely to be close to completing, much less exploring the Abyss. For those that are close to exploring the Abyss, they have till June 25th to do so.

    Just fyi 45k-30k = 15k.. so not 5k difference.. but 15k difference.. The specifically stated this difference in the announcement on the forums.. maybe you haven't read it..

    Lol but you get a crystal back, so that's at least a 10k shard value. So the correct math is 45k-30k+10k = 5k
    thats not the correct math when the people that already did the Abyss get the 15k and the crystal.

    As someone who has yet to complete the abyss, this is a very unhealthy attitude. The fact that others got an extra 15k shards has no impact on me. I'm happy that when I do go for exploration, I can count on a tradeoff in rewards that work in my favor (other than the total BS of choosing the class before seeing the rest of my rewards, and that I can still get shafted by having no t5cc I can use immediately)
    Yeah, while I don't understand the need of removing any shards really, I don't see how people don't see this as a win especially for those that aren't whales with stacked 6* rosters already.

    This change does essentially nothing for me but for someone unlucky enough to not have any 6* champs they really want to invest in, it's a huge win. Regardless of what catalysts you pull from abyss, you'll eventually form them all. This way you at least have a really good shot at getting a champ you want to invest in and will either get the catalyst from abyss hopefully or will eventually no matter what
    A big problem is that you don’t know if you’ll be able to r3 them because you have to chose the class before you open the t5cc
    Sure your likely to get a good r2 champ but if you have abyss 100% your not looking for 6* r2 you are looking for r3s
    You'll be able to R3 them eventually. Catalysts are an eventual gurantee, champions (at least currently) are not.
    What’s your thoughts on them making the crystal an objective reward that way people who have 100% it and people who will 100% it after will have the same advantage
    Oh I'd much prefer they think of a way for people to be able to open the t5c first regardless of how they manage it.

    I still think overall the change is a big win for people. Unfortunately the shine of it gets removed by a very poor delivery. Still a pretty big win in my opinion regardless.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 5,519 ★★★★★

    Haji_Saab said:

    Sooo people who have already 100% gets extra 15k 6* shards ...

    Why? this was never announced that if you do Abyss early you will get extra rewards

    All content is subject to change, and that includes Encounters, rewards, Champion abilities, etc. This will never be announced at the outset because our intention wasn't to change the rewards later.
    Soooooo dumb. I thought you guys were trying to win back the player base. This is not how to do it.

    You are rewarding the whales and penalizing everyone else. Why not just reward and celebrate everyone equally?

    It boggles my mind that you think this is a significant improvement. If you can't increase the chance that the t5cc match the class of 6* that you would rank, there is limited incentive for non-whale players to do the content.

    I did one pass and got a skill t5cc. My only skill class 6* was vegan thor, FOR months...
    Your question highlights a possible answer. You have a Skill T5CC that you didn't want to use for months. If you still have it, you have the choice to choose a Skill Abyss Nexus crystal. From there, you can choose one of the 10 Champs you might want to take up. If you're really looking to chase a certain Champion, then maybe you decide to choose a different Class that you don't have a T5CC for yet. Abyss is not the only place to get T5CC, and every one of those is valuable and useable.

    The reason we went this direction with the Rewards update, and not with T5CC selection is because regardless of if you have a Champion to use your Skill T5CC on, it's still just as good as any other Skill T5CC. You will use it eventually. But if you open your 6-Star Crystal and get Groot, you're not likely to use him until he gets a Buff someday, and are going to be disappointed in the work you put in to get him.

    No, we are not going to remove Champions from the 6-Star Base pool, but we are looking at many solutions to mitigate that feeling. This is just one of them.
    You say there are other ways to get t5cc?
    I'm not buying your stupid catalyst offers, I'm not a whale.
    100% Abyss is a huge investment, I'm not a whale.
    100% act 6 is a bigger investment than Abyss, I'm not a whale.
    I'm not in; nor ever will be in, a master ranked alliance, I'm not a whale.
    Gifting event? Ha! I'm not a whale.

    Where does that leave me when rank 3 6* are the only thing with value anymore?

    You are so out of touch, no wonder the game is dying.

    P.S. I'm definitely not BG either.
    For one, R3s are far from the only thing of value anymore. Two, I'd be pretty surprised to see there being no t5c included in the new EQ difficulty coming which may quite possibly start to be included in the side event tests starting next month. Also there's AQ (depending on where you place though it's a fairly trivial amount).

    T5c accumulation will more than likely start to increase decently in the near future I'd imagine.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 5,519 ★★★★★
    Knation said:

    Knation said:

    Knation said:

    Ebony_Naw said:

    loader187 said:

    Ebony_Naw said:

    People who aren't able to 100% Abyss aren't being that heavily penalized. The difference is legit 5k 6* shards, as small price to pay given that one can chose between ten Champions of a given class.
    Reducing the total amount of shards has clearly led to some outrage, but those who haven't attempted Abyss yet, over five months after it's been released, aren't likely to be close to completing, much less exploring the Abyss. For those that are close to exploring the Abyss, they have till June 25th to do so.

    Just fyi 45k-30k = 15k.. so not 5k difference.. but 15k difference.. The specifically stated this difference in the announcement on the forums.. maybe you haven't read it..

    Lol but you get a crystal back, so that's at least a 10k shard value. So the correct math is 45k-30k+10k = 5k
    thats not the correct math when the people that already did the Abyss get the 15k and the crystal.

    As someone who has yet to complete the abyss, this is a very unhealthy attitude. The fact that others got an extra 15k shards has no impact on me. I'm happy that when I do go for exploration, I can count on a tradeoff in rewards that work in my favor (other than the total BS of choosing the class before seeing the rest of my rewards, and that I can still get shafted by having no t5cc I can use immediately)
    Yeah, while I don't understand the need of removing any shards really, I don't see how people don't see this as a win especially for those that aren't whales with stacked 6* rosters already.

    This change does essentially nothing for me but for someone unlucky enough to not have any 6* champs they really want to invest in, it's a huge win. Regardless of what catalysts you pull from abyss, you'll eventually form them all. This way you at least have a really good shot at getting a champ you want to invest in and will either get the catalyst from abyss hopefully or will eventually no matter what
    A big problem is that you don’t know if you’ll be able to r3 them because you have to chose the class before you open the t5cc
    Sure your likely to get a good r2 champ but if you have abyss 100% your not looking for 6* r2 you are looking for r3s
    You'll be able to R3 them eventually. Catalysts are an eventual gurantee, champions (at least currently) are not.
    What’s your thoughts on them making the crystal an objective reward that way people who have 100% it and people who will 100% it after will have the same advantage
    Oh I'd much prefer they think of a way for people to be able to open the t5c first regardless of how they manage it.

    I still think overall the change is a big win for people. Unfortunately the shine of it gets removed by a very poor delivery. Still a pretty big win in my opinion regardless.
    Oh ye it’s a great change but having to choose after the t5cc gives people who have already done it such a big advantage
    Your saying that they’ll add more and more t5cc but the person who got their r3 knowing what class they had will get more due to higher prestige leading to a better alliance and therefore more t5cc
    In some instances yeah I completely agree and as I said I'd prefer they figure out a way for people to open the t5c crystals 1st.

    I don't think any of this warrants all the over the top outrage though. That's just silly. Overall this is a very large positive for people and I'm glad they did it. Hopefully they find a way to address some of the issues but even if they don't, it's still a win.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 5,443 ★★★★★
    edited June 2020
    Would most probably finish up AoL first before June 25th. Fingers crossed I have the time to do that. 😂

    Opening the T5CC first + 4.5 more 6*s will help in making a more knowledgeable decision on which class and who to choose.
  • whatthewhat71whatthewhat71 Posts: 44
    I dont agree with the 15K shards being taken away, and I wish it was t5CC class selector, but......the truth is you will eventually get the T5CC you want, but you this gives you the best option to get the champ you want, a champ you may never pull, 6 stars take months to form, its a shame there is always a gotcha like taking the 15K away from those that havent beaten it, but I am actually happy with this reward. Good job Kabam.
  • Longshot_33Longshot_33 Posts: 117
    Can anyone confirm if they have spun a nexus and had a duplicate of a champ in the selection? Now that this 10 nexus crystal has been introduced I think it’s really important to understand how the crystal actually works. If it’s 10 UNIQUE champs it’s amazing. If it’s a chance of 3 of the same it’s a whole different thing. Either way I’m not complaining but would be nice to know :)
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 5,519 ★★★★★

    Can anyone confirm if they have spun a nexus and had a duplicate of a champ in the selection? Now that this 10 nexus crystal has been introduced I think it’s really important to understand how the crystal actually works. If it’s 10 UNIQUE champs it’s amazing. If it’s a chance of 3 of the same it’s a whole different thing. Either way I’m not complaining but would be nice to know :)

    Miike already said won't have the same champs multiple times
  • GmonkeyGmonkey Posts: 1,398 ★★★★
    edited June 2020
    A quick fix would be not to remove deduction of 15000 shards, timing on the t5cc is less important to me I want to dupe my 6 star doom. The issue is yet again different rewards for the same content. Stop doing that to the player base. You wonder why people rush content this is why doing things early is always better than waiting for champ nerfs or better rewards.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Posts: 572 ★★★

    One thing I think needs to be a take away from this is to allow us to open Selectors items in our own time. It's ridiculous that right when we get one we are forced to choose something out of it. I'm genuinely surprised this hasn't been a QoL fix yet as that's been a constant complaint about them since their release.

    This is the stupidest thing with these - a selector, but I can't select when I open it. It's one thing if you prchase one of these when you are looking for something, but having to choose before you have the potential champion to use it on is nonsensical.
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