15.0 Alliance Wars Update Discussion Thread

Summoners!

Our 15.0 Update is just about a week away, and with it, it's bringing a huge change to Alliance Wars! Check out everything you need to know about the Brand New Map, Scoring Changes, and new boosts in the Loyalty Store here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/17902/15-0-alliance-wars-update/

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Thestoryteller6

DD2 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

The losing Ally has few choices.
1. Try and give up.
2. Try and KO into a Loss.
3. Try for Exploration, and inevitably go for number 2.

That's not skill. That's overpowering the enemy before they even get to Attack.

The losing alliance has two choices. Cry that they lost to a better alliance or work hard. There's no in between.

There's a reality to this game. Whoever is the "better alliance" generally wins. There's no "luck". There's a hierarchy.

If you win a bunch of wars and start climbing the tiers and suddenly you lose a bunch in a row and can't get past a certain tier, it's because your team just isn't strong enough to advance past that until you get better. You can't force some kind of equality in this game because there is no equality. Some teams are better skilled and have better rosters than others. Now what are you trying to say, that we should de-incentivize growth because it makes weaker players feel bad? What's the point of this game then?

Guys, give it up. Don't you see the pattern? He will tie himself in knots with the most ridiculous warped logic. With each response his arguments get more and more tortured but he will refuse to admit that his logic is wrong. His final defence will be "you are free to disagree" or "let's agree to disagree", as if it were a matter of opinion rather than fact. It's been months, countless people have argued with him and he hasn't changed. You won't make a difference either.

Kdog76

bdawg923 wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

Thank you for all your feedback on the first week of Alliance Wars. We've written an update on what you can expect when you start Matchmaking again tomorrow here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/127553/#Comment_127553

I'd respect the response to this issue more if it just said maybe we got this wrong and need to reevaluate or if changing attack points was a temp fix until a full eval can be done. At least own the disaster. This fixes some dirty play. Doesn't change how easy the map is or how the scoring system is irrelevant given how easy 100% is now.

Bottom line: skill isn't valued, that's my feedback. It isn't valued and scoring shows that. the silence to all of the feedback is the loud and clear thumb your nose at your reverent fan base we've come to expect. And we are fools for staying.

vikky89

Mcord11758 wrote: »

So now both teams 100% but the team with the higher defense rank and diversity wins. So if you run into a team that is like 2 mil higher than you just don't bother

With this diversity **** even 6mil ally can win over 10mil. Just place all ur diverse champs even 3* or 2* . These are not wars anymore. Laziest and dumbest fix

Brnbby

Sucked the fun right out of it didn't ya. Allow me to suggest a reassessment of your current alliance war update. It was better before. Minus md working off of dexterity. I swear it's like no one even pays attention to what the masses want. Ps that's why I passed on your deal today. I'm so proud of myself. I just don't see the value anymore. Love you... But I don't.

Voluntaris

Dwark wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

Thank you for all your feedback on the first week of Alliance Wars. We've written an update on what you can expect when you start Matchmaking again tomorrow here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/127553/#Comment_127553

I agree with keeping defender kills out. People saying AW is ruined bc they are no longer part of the scoring system are missing the point. Having 10 magiks, Mordos and juggs with jacked MD and throw in another 10 NC or spideys and hey, why not add their 5s versions!? Diversity is what is making it at least most fun and actually using your roster.... however, diversity should be kept per BG. Spreading it open to the whole alliance is just dumb. What does a mordo placed in one BG have anything to do with another placed in another BG. Nothing.

removing defender kill points removes most of the SKILL of alliance war. mordo is ez to kill. magik is easy when you have the right champs. NC and spideys are easy when you have the right champs.

removing defender kill points is not worth turning AW into "other alliance has more diverse champs? YOU LOSE"

BluntMachete

And frankly, there was no real reason to change aside from helping out those big alliances who all got hot and bothered around all ranking magiks and the newer alliances with limited rosters. Those journeymen alliances that represent the greater portion of players have the rosters to set up 150 unique champs (50 per BG and repeateable throughout BGs) can actually outscore a defenseless alliance making them the joke for literally handing a win over by trying to cheese the system.

wondermomma528

Regarding the latest announcement. Glad to hear you'll adjust wars to compensate alliances for not placing defenders. But leave defender diversity alone. You made it impossible to score 150 due to the limit of heros available. By breaking it down to each battle group it gives more opportunity for that alliance to be creative

mostlyharmlessn

Ok so then you are keeping this absurdity of defender diversity then you most certainly do owe us a way to rank down champs that were ranked up explicitly for the use on aw defense.

Most of us didn't rank up champs that were strong defenders to do monthly quests after all.

Thermo16

Let's place joe fixit, Elektra, she-hulk, Thor etc on defense......hmmm you guys are brilliant. Let's place easy defenders so everyone can walk through the map. Better yet let's have AW already decided for you before the match begins. Because that's your new system. A monkey can walk through your new map. Every top 500 alliance will 100% everytime. Problem is one of them already lost before war started because they don't have 100+ diverse champs . That's how stupid you guys are. The difficulty of AW and defender kills is what made it great, made it competitive. You guys are all a bunch of idiots that don't even know what your player base wants. You should all find jobs at McDonald's because that's about what most of your IQ's will be able to handle.......would you like fries with that?

vikky89

With this change kabam has officially made Aw the most boring/Unskilled mode in the game. Just give us Auto-Fight feature in war guys.

Mcord11758

This will force people to needlessly waste rank up materials on useless champs that

Gwm83

Diversity my ass.....its gonna reward alliances with new champs that not many have...spending will help lol so tired of this game. New update comes...gives people more rewards and a fix is of the way. You frreze up or whatever and lose half or all of a champ...well deal with it and heal him up

R4GE

I do not see how this is at all helpful! All the community mostly wanted was for the old scoring system to be returned. We are at a point in the game where everyone has virtually the same r5 or r4 5*s, and now for diversity we are forced to waste resources on new champs to rank up to accommodate the new scoring system. THATS A LOT OF RESOURCES to just instantly have to start all over again. Even worse is the game is taking a hard turn to favor 5*s so we are trying to focus resources on them as well. I have always hated the thought of seeing rank down tickets again. And while it has been mentioned it will only happen if champs are changed, this is a situation that highly calls for them.

MasterSmoke

Any Rank Down Tickets Coming??

Voluntaris

Kabam has officially made the most fun part of MCoC the most NOT FUN.

Definitely passing on the $100.00 offer today.. i mean, what's the point in trying to get strong champs for AW defense? No strong nodes to put 'em on and only way to win is "muh diversity" .... if you're going to keep AW this way, better to just make a random number generator choose the winner as soon as you hit matchmaking.

this is so very sad

neb

Why does kabaam pretend changes have anything to do with player feedback, most of us aren't stupid.

MasterSmoke

There’s not even 150 different champs cmon smh

vikky89

Dwark wrote: »

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

Thank you for all your feedback on the first week of Alliance Wars. We've written an update on what you can expect when you start Matchmaking again tomorrow here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/127553/#Comment_127553

I agree with keeping defender kills out. People saying AW is ruined bc they are no longer part of the scoring system are missing the point. Having 10 magiks, Mordos and juggs with jacked MD and throw in another 10 NC or spideys and hey, why not add their 5s versions!? Diversity is what is making it at least most fun and actually using your roster.... however, diversity should be kept per BG. Spreading it open to the whole alliance is just dumb. What does a mordo placed in one BG have anything to do with another placed in another BG. Nothing.

You must not be playing this game long enough to understand diversity has ruined AW. If you want easy game mode to fight against useless champs. then plz play event quests/act4. Wars are supposed to be tough based on tier you are in. Most of us has issue with MD, instead of fixing it you want whole setup to change and make it garbage ridiculous

Drewbe14

I actually enjoyed finding good nodes to place champs an try to "suprise" the opponent the best u can with some champs on certain nodes an try to rack up the defensive kills. That was SKILL. Agreeing and finding proper placements was great. Not to mention this portal ****. Im fine with some portals but the cost of energy war now seems very slow..u can spend 3-4 energy without facing a opponent sometimes on the edges. Dont feed me this **** of u shortened the timer...old map with 4 energy i faced 3-4 ppl the most part now 1 MAYBE 2 if im taking one of the outside lanes...its just no where near as fun. The so called "fix" for AW is a joke...id prefer to fight thorns again honestly.

Igu4n4

This is the most ridiculous fix you have come up with yet...

So once every alliance has figured out how to place 106 champs across the war (at least it made it a tiny bit more interesting if it was per BG). Every war will be 100%'d by both teams, so you will win based on defender rating? So its essentially decided before the war even started. Why have the war? Why not just pull a slotmachine that matches you up with someone and it says.. DING DING DING.. this guys have more point potential.. you win!... next.

And dont give me the well you still have to 100%... with no kills as a deterrent, everyone is 100%ing... don't kid yourself, its not that hard.

Lets face the fact, you have no idea how to make these champs fun.. thats why they are mothballed, so your only solution is to FORCE people to put them into a war purely for a stat that has no reflection of fun or skill, its an artificial stat just so you can find reasons for people to put them in.

This is so poorly thoughtout... I cant even find a reason how this makes the game and community better.

Nice work... again.

ig

Heywood

Guys, PLEASE listen to your community of players here. The changes are seriously ruining alliance war.

I understand diversity should matter but it should not be this important.
You are going to give an alliance 225 points for placing two of the same great defenders(125 diversity and 100 placement) and another alliance will get 350 points for placing 1 great and 1 bad defender. Now assume the good defenders got three kills each and the bad defender gets 0. Team 1 gets 125 less points for 3 more kills than team 2?

You should not get points for placing horrible defenders. You had the mechanic in place already to deal with that which was having points for defender kills. That allows you to offer value for skill in the game. We have now all wasted resources ranking up champions that will not be nearly as valuable to us in war.

Keep diversity points but please reduce them significantly and bring back defender kills.

Mcord11758

Just like 12.0 and challenger rating. Just double down on stupid

Bozwel

These changes are highly disappointing. You've taken war, which some of us considered the best part of the game, and completely broken it. Wars will now be decided before they begin based on diversity and rating, both teams will 100% most wars and no one will have fun. There is absolutely nothing competitive or skill-based about the current system. I can't even imagine Kabams motivations for these changes, aside from encouraging people to get new champs... no ones going to spend on revives or potions or boosts for the current war. Who needs items when it's so easy and the other team is encouraged to place easy to fight defenders? No one wins in this new system.

vikky89

@Kabam Miike Have you guys even thought about this fix for a sec. Now a Unique champ is almost equal to 2.5 attacker kills. Way to make KK great again. Lol

IndridCold

xdethsquadx wrote: »

IndridCold wrote: »

Flush wrote: »

IndridCold wrote: »

Kabam.

Flush wrote: »

So what yous gona do about members that ranked up useless champions for diversity points system seen as aw is about to change again think few rank downs should be issued yous clearly didn't test it properly before going live with it how could yous not know by not placen defence will win you the war your point system is total disaster

If the AS that placed defenders. Had chosen to place more diverse defenders, they would win. And have an easy win at that. Maybe instead of placing 10 mordo's & 10 NC's, they could of had 80% of their defenders being unique/diverse.

You get 150 pts/Attacker kill

You get 50 pts/defender placed
You get 125 pts/unique defender/diversity.

You have a max amount of defenders/Attacker kills (150).

22.5K Attacker Kills.
- 7.5K defenders placed.
= 15K/125 (diversity) = 120 unique defenders.

That means, if 40 out of 50 defenders/BG are unique, you'd have 22.5K for defenders placed & diversity. Leaving the defender rating pts for a tie breaker. The point system isn't flawed, ppl just aren't taking advantage of the 18.75K possible pts from diversity.

So what about screen shot of war that's goin around of alliance that didn't place any defence but won war cuz they screwed other alliance out of kills

I'm assuming you mean this one. Here. The AS only placed 77 unique defenders (51%). Had they placed 107 unique defenders which is only 71% of the possible diversity points. They'd of won & has an easy win. 50/50 gets crazy & you'll have a lot of bad defenders, but it's not hard to have 35-36 unique defenders/BG. That still leaves around 14-15 spots for duplicates of great defenders, for important nodes.

They needed 35, 36, 36 unique defenders/BG.

Not to mention. They didn't get 100% exp on the map that didn't have any defenders. Had they gotten that, they wouldn't of won (as is), but it'd given a few more duplicate defenders.

If they had used their worse defenders for diversity, their defenfer rating would have been much much lower. Right?

Omg. Seriously??

Igu4n4

Every NEW champ that comes into the game isn't in an arena first, its in a crystal first. You will NEED that champ to stay ahead of the other teams until its accessible via arena. Think about that for a sec.

The only stat thats going to matter is defender rating. Every other stat will be the same for both alliances.

just the laziest, and saddest game mode in the game. Well thought out, its HUGE FUN.. good times.

ig.

R4GE

So many t2 alphas and t4cc wasted towards GREAT defenders! SHAME!

sbb75

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

Thank you for all your feedback on the first week of Alliance Wars. We've written an update on what you can expect when you start Matchmaking again tomorrow here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/127553/#Comment_127553

Do you realize now there is a HUGE advantage by placing diverse 2* trash in place of non-unique top champs.
Do I have math wrong?
Example: unique 1* Gamora 200 PI (125 + 40 + 4) = 169 points to place. Minus 50 for getting killed. Net +119 pts
Vs
Non unique 5* Mordo 10,000 PI (40 + 20) = 60 to place. Minus 50 for getting killed. Net + 10 pts.

Assuming both alliances get 100% to be the #1 AW Alliance right now you need to have a white Iron Fist, 5* Pun, 5* classic Ultron, Thanos, Kang, Red DP. Medussa this week.
Those are the rarest champs I can think off. A 3* medussa would be AW MVP.

Come on! Who decides this stuff.

KingCrooks

Keep defender diversity by group! Not by the entire alliance. Mid level players are falling farther behind, by group is doable and takes work. By the whole alliance, you're just asking us to spend $$ and find new champs. I'm all about it, but to say my 2 1/2 years haven't got me the champs I need now... Dude....

IndridCold

xdethsquadx wrote: »

IndridCold wrote: »

Flush wrote: »

IndridCold wrote: »

Kabam.

Flush wrote: »

So what yous gona do about members that ranked up useless champions for diversity points system seen as aw is about to change again think few rank downs should be issued yous clearly didn't test it properly before going live with it how could yous not know by not placen defence will win you the war your point system is total disaster

If the AS that placed defenders. Had chosen to place more diverse defenders, they would win. And have an easy win at that. Maybe instead of placing 10 mordo's & 10 NC's, they could of had 80% of their defenders being unique/diverse.

You get 150 pts/Attacker kill

You get 50 pts/defender placed
You get 125 pts/unique defender/diversity.

You have a max amount of defenders/Attacker kills (150).

22.5K Attacker Kills.
- 7.5K defenders placed.
= 15K/125 (diversity) = 120 unique defenders.

That means, if 40 out of 50 defenders/BG are unique, you'd have 22.5K for defenders placed & diversity. Leaving the defender rating pts for a tie breaker. The point system isn't flawed, ppl just aren't taking advantage of the 18.75K possible pts from diversity.

So what about screen shot of war that's goin around of alliance that didn't place any defence but won war cuz they screwed other alliance out of kills

I'm assuming you mean this one. Here. The AS only placed 77 unique defenders (51%). Had they placed 107 unique defenders which is only 71% of the possible diversity points. They'd of won & has an easy win. 50/50 gets crazy & you'll have a lot of bad defenders, but it's not hard to have 35-36 unique defenders/BG. That still leaves around 14-15 spots for duplicates of great defenders, for important nodes.

They needed 35, 36, 36 unique defenders/BG.

Not to mention. They didn't get 100% exp on the map that didn't have any defenders. Had they gotten that, they wouldn't of won (as is), but it'd given a few more duplicate defenders.

If they had used their worse defenders for diversity, their defenfer rating would have been much much lower. Right?

Their total points are roughly 170K pts.
Defender rating roughly is 1,700 pts.

1.7K/170K. defender rating made up about 1% of their score. It couldn't effect it that much.