Yeah! Again! If your SMALL alliance is facing one of them then you are probably not ready for that tier
What about my alliance, we've been 9M 2400 rating war, continuously facing 12-13M alliances and beating them due to defensive kills and our ability in attack (I won't say I am a monster, above average for sure but there are guys here that are just insane). What about us? Our skill can't allow us to stay in top tier anymore just because we don't have original dp thanos and kang? Even if we used to beat our opponents that now pass us just because they have a kang acquired by pure luck when the gifting event was on??
All they have said is it is staying as is and they will keep an eye on the scoring. I take that as it could continue to change if they see more and more flaws.
Frankly, brian grant was one of the biggest proponents of this system, primarily bc he kept complaining about mystic dispersion (and it seemed solely bc he wanted to run suicides in attack which is awful for defense and a lot of alliances refuse to allow their members to place defenders with suicides at all--which it seemed 4loki finally got to that point when he created his "hybrid" setup).
Now that he he's what he wants--not facing mystic defenses with dispersion--he doesn't like it bc this isn't fun. Fact: it's not fun now. War was fun bc it was a challenge to fight someone else's mastery/defense strategy. Now it's just kind of pointless--or, as brian grant put it, essentially another daily login calendar.
Finally, the whole "let's just change dexterity buff" argument is really annoying. Some of us (myself included) maxed mystic dispersion bc of those dexterity buffs expiring. I am assuming you didn't do so? Or maybe you did. But regardless, I'd you to into attack with magik, voodoo, vision, or Hawkeye or even arch angel, mystic dispersion isn't that bad to play around. I always brought vision, voodoo and Aq to war (unless we miraculously had a nightcrawler boss then star lord got to come off then bench).
I think this whole war experience falls under the old adage, be careful what you wish for bc you might get it.
Frankly, brian grant was one of the biggest proponents of this system, primarily bc he kept complaining about mystic dispersion (and it seemed solely bc he wanted to run suicides in attack which is awful for defense and a lot of alliances refuse to allow their members to place defenders with suicides at all--which it seemed 4loki finally got to that point when he created his "hybrid" setup).
Now that he he's what he wants--not facing mystic defenses with dispersion--he doesn't like it bc this isn't fun. Fact: it's not fun now. War was fun bc it was a challenge to fight someone else's mastery/defense strategy. Now it's just kind of pointless--or, as brian grant put it, essentially another daily login calendar.
Finally, the whole "let's just change dexterity buff" argument is really annoying. Some of us (myself included) maxed mystic dispersion bc of those dexterity buffs expiring. I am assuming you didn't do so? Or maybe you did. But regardless, I'd you to into attack with magik, voodoo, vision, or Hawkeye or even arch angel, mystic dispersion isn't that bad to play around. I always brought vision, voodoo and Aq to war (unless we miraculously had a nightcrawler boss then star lord got to come off then bench).
I think this whole war experience falls under the old adage, be careful what you wish for bc you might get it.
Wasn't his standing strictly "dexterity vs MD" and not MD as an issue in general?
Of course we are maximizing diversity. We have 105 unique champs that we will place.
We will lose to alliances that place 105 champs with a higher defender rating. We will win against alliances with 105 unique champs with a lower defender rating.
Like @TBJ1118 said - Their alliance rating is similar to ours, but they don't have a Kang.
If my alliance ever faces them, we will beat them just because one alliance member got lucky and pulled Kang?
Dexterity vs me is the same thing as being against md in gernrral. The whole reason to have md on defense is for the dexterity triggers. Unstoppable colossus is pretty much a terrible champ minus the dexterity triggers fueling md from trying to bait specials. The same goes for magik. She's a pretty easy champ to beat minus max md and dexterity.
U can't separate the issue. Turning off the dex trigger effectively makes md meaningless as a defensive strategy. No champs possible buff enough except for maybe Mordo and Hyperion to make md challenging without dex triggers.
So when someone says, "let's just not let dex trigger md" (whether at all or just when u "hit" someone), they are really advocating for md being effectively out of wars.
Additionalky, he has at one point said that he would be okay with just the latter (only expiring when a hit occurs), but I have watched videos where he complains that kabam needs to "fix" dexterity in precisely that scenario as well.
I'm not one to argue MD, I like its usefulness for both attack and defense. I can work around it in AW so I don't complain. But I am also understanding to many players complaints that if dexterity doesn't stack than it shouldn't be treated as it does against MD. I get it, the argument is valid. Doesn't make me against MD though
Of course we are maximizing diversity. We have 105 unique champs that we will place.
We will lose to alliances that place 105 champs with a higher defender rating. We will win against alliances with 105 unique champs with a lower defender rating.
Like @TBJ1118 said - Their alliance rating is similar to ours, but they don't have a Kang.
If my alliance ever faces them, we will beat them just because one alliance member got lucky and pulled Kang?
That makes sense to you?
It's obvious this is just trolling, its best at this point to ignore. Our concerns are very valid. Right now I think AW should just be on auto fight. As thats who wins are determined now.
Yes skill doesn't matter anymore it's all about the collection.
The fault with your assumption is that you assume the top alliances have 5* Kamalas and 5* She-Hulks ranked up to R4/55 already. I don't believe that to be the case so defender rating will be a wash if somehow diversity points were practically the same.
I agree that dexterity refreshing should not proc MD ... and I have 5/5 MD.
If the dexterity refresh no longer proc'd MD, MD will still shut down the large amount of attackers that use buffs for their attack (CrossBones, Hyperion and many others).
I believe the problems about the current condition of AW are not directly related to dexterity and MD.
It's the scoring system that does not reward skills. Attackers kills and defenders kills had the purpose to make you feel your fight had a purpose. They motivated you to be a better player.
Now there's no real challenge. Also showing all defenders classes in high tiers it's just a bad idea, since that hidden variable was something nice to play out as a strategy for defense.
I for one think the refresh of dexterity is a problem. Once you hit, dexterity should trigger MD. But dodging continuously shouldn't trigger MD. My understanding is 99% of people arguing for a different dexterity MD interaction want that change. Not eliminate dexterity as a trigger.
If I'm not mistaken, mmx just lost their 3rd or 4th war ever. Core and legion are about the same. These alliances have always been dominant and very rarely lost in the previous system. They just have stronger teams and skilled players. This new system isn't changing anything in regards to a lower rated alliance chances on beating them, they never had a chance anyway.
There will always be a winner and a loser. Most alliances are happy to win 7-8 out of 10, some are happy at 5-6. This new system isn't going to cause anyone to lose every war they play. Everyone seems to be taking for granted that every war will be 100% completion for both teams and that's not the case. Some guys may get ko'd and as a whole the alliance may not feel like the rewards are worth the resources needed to keep pushing. Some guys would rather take a loss and use their items or units elsewhere. Others may only focus on war, and those are the matches that were usually lost in the previous system.
Still, I agree that in a tie, defender kills should have some merit, and there should be another metric besides diversity and defender rating. I even think that the team facing stronger defenders should have the edge here, but that just allows more manipulation and people would complain about losing because their defenders were too strong. There is always going to be something people disagree with. So maybe there can be a middle ground using a formula that takes diversity, defender rating, and defender kills into consideration for tie breakers.
Another thing, if you think this new map is too easy, then challenge yourself with using different champs, and not just your best attackers. Save those for questing or put them on defense to boost your defensive rating. The only reason I see people calling this new system broken is because they are searching for loopholes and seeing some they can't overcome at the moment. That's common for 99% of the alliances. If you want to consistently win wars, then you will have to adjust to the system in place now, and if you're clearing the map 100% every war without using items, then the only thing you are losing costs you is some shards in rewards. That is the only other thing that I think needs to be adjusted because of the introduction of 6* announcement. Other than that, just play. It's not rocket science or life and death, just develop a strategy and play.
Yes skill doesn't matter anymore it's all about the collection.
The fault with your assumption is that you assume the top alliances have 5* Kamalas and 5* She-Hulks ranked up to R4/55 already. I don't believe that to be the case so defender rating will be a wash if somehow diversity points were practically the same.
I'm not following what you are saying? They can have 4* Kamalas and She-Hulks and still get the diversity. They don't need 5*s but they do have all the resources stashed to r5 whoever they might need. Most already have everyone nearly maxed out. Defender rating won't be a wash because they will have each champ in the game almost maxed between the 30 people. So again I'm not sure what you are saying.
Yes skill doesn't matter anymore it's all about the collection.
The fault with your assumption is that you assume the top alliances have 5* Kamalas and 5* She-Hulks ranked up to R4/55 already. I don't believe that to be the case so defender rating will be a wash if somehow diversity points were practically the same.
I'm not following what you are saying? They can have 4* Kamalas and She-Hulks and still get the diversity. They don't need 5*s but they do have all the resources stashed to r5 whoever they might need. Most already have everyone nearly maxed out. Defender rating won't be a wash because they will have each champ in the game almost maxed between the 30 people. So again I'm not sure what you are saying.
You are incorrect. They have the resources (t4ccs and the gold), but they do not already have champs like Kamala and She-Hulk max ranked as 4*s or at rank 4/55 as 5*s. Therefore they would get the same diversity points but not have the clear advantage when it comes to defender rating points.
Besides...given how quick the response was from Kabam the after the initial week of war that people figured out how to game the system I am sure if the new points system falters as well then we will see further changes. But truthfully the system needs work.
Lol. This discussion is hilarious. Obviously people dont understand the diversity. The map is easy to complete. Place a diverse defense. Who cares about rank. They are gonna get beat! A smaller alliance can beat a bigger alliance with diversity. This does make it so smaller alliance have a chance. Take the time to coordinate a diverse defense. And 100% the map!
yes, the map is very easy to 100%, however, those bigger alliances tend to have more diverse rosters (i.e., classic ultron, kang, thanos, og DP) ... so you are incorrect in that smaller alliances can beat bigger more diverse alliances.
If new scoring system is to stay, the matchmaking screen should be re-designed to be more like a slot machine, once a match is found, immediately choose the winner based on which alliance is more 'diverse' - war over, rewards given out.
Agree, exactly. I posted a screen shot earlier, our alliance won the war, but our opponent got the victory because the only category they were better at was diversity. It's no longer about challenging map with touch defenders to beat in order to deserve the exploration and get the shot on the boss, it's about coordinating your alliance to place maximum possible diversity and then just routine waiting for energy so everyone can move forward without messing up paths and then have a little bit of a fun at the end when facing your mini boss and the boss... No surprises, no fun in fighting, the war we lost I got to the boss with no deaths and 2 full champs and I did my path alone. It rarely happened in the old war map.
Again, I can't see it being a greedy move, because even the top alliances, they will not have difficulties doing under 100% exploration both in each match and they're all organized well enough to place their best and follow their paths, so it'll be always about the diversity.
3) not placing a defender rewards negative penalty points equal to kill points, so if killing a defender gives you 150 pts, not placing your defender takes away 150 pts from your score sheet.
4) revise defender rating points to match the diversity!! Make it count if alliance chooses to place high rank, high tier, high PI defenders rather than diversity only. 2pts per 1k of PI is nonsense!!!
5) revise the map nodes and difficulty to make it more fun, more challenging, so people get stuck and pay to move forward - I can't believe I'm telling you how to make money on us....
Heres the thing though. I like the fact that they took the time and actually listened and changed wars. I think thats great. Its the way theyve done it though. Theyve destroyed the whole war in general imo. I use to like wars. At this point i could care less. Theyve sucked the fun right out of it. Weve actually lost 5 strong members now from our ally due to the changes in wars. They say there done with the bs kabam keeps doing and quit the game that they use to love. Im not a big fan of the whole teleporte thing and the scoring has just been blown. They should have added better things like bane aswell for a challange. And i dont like how i can see the classes. For them to keep pushing it though and tapping themselves on the sholder like good job guys we made war better is wrong. Cause it honestly seems like the majority of the community is still unhappy about this but they won't hear it. Thats in itself is going to only hurt kabam. I don't know how they don't see that. What they should have done is test it out before making these major changes. It really doesn't look like they did that. And if they did who tested it for them noobs that don't have a clue. Idk i see major backlash coming soon for kabam and i hope im wrong. Your only hurting yourselves kabam and i hope you know that.
Another thing, if you think this new map is too easy, then challenge yourself with using different champs, and not just your best attackers. Save those for questing or put them on defense to boost your defensive rating. The only reason I see people calling this new system broken is because they are searching for loopholes and seeing some they can't overcome at the moment. That's common for 99% of the alliances. If you want to consistently win wars, then you will have to adjust to the system in place now, and if you're clearing the map 100% every war without using items, then the only thing you are losing costs you is some shards in rewards. That is the only other thing that I think needs to be adjusted because of the introduction of 6* announcement. Other than that, just play. It's not rocket science or life and death, just develop a strategy and play.
In other words I should just start bringing 3*'s to AW attack and ranking up my KK to R5 (she really wants to get involved) to make it interesting. The game isn't fun, interesting or challenging so it's on me to make it so. Makes sense.
Actually doesn't make much sense to me. I mean i get the "make the best of a bad situation" mentality, but this isn't something that i'm forced to do or have to do. If so, sure quit **** and get it done is exactly what I would say too. But I think the reason why the reaction is what it is so far is because people are trying to say "hey, this sucks and if you don't fix it I'm going to move on because it's no longer fun. So it's in your best interest to make it fun again".
So no, I won't be adjusting to the system in place. That's not a threat. Doubt anyone really cares who stays or goes. Why would I want to "carry on" with something I no longer find enjoyable? I'm only here long enough to find out what (if anything) their response is.
Wars are boring now. No one even cares about setting the defense anymore. Can't believe we are actually placing Groot and all garbage like Gwen, Luke etc. It's come down to diversity with no skill needed. How can you pull out defender kills scoring, that was a really bad move. One long time player left the game looking at this BS, there's growing dissent and there's talk of leaving the game brewing in the background, again Kabam has stopped listening. There's absolutely nothing fun or refreshing about these wars. Absolutely boring content with pointless portals and longer meaningless paths which suck up energy for no reason.
Yes skill doesn't matter anymore it's all about the collection.
The fault with your assumption is that you assume the top alliances have 5* Kamalas and 5* She-Hulks ranked up to R4/55 already. I don't believe that to be the case so defender rating will be a wash if somehow diversity points were practically the same.
I'm not following what you are saying? They can have 4* Kamalas and She-Hulks and still get the diversity. They don't need 5*s but they do have all the resources stashed to r5 whoever they might need. Most already have everyone nearly maxed out. Defender rating won't be a wash because they will have each champ in the game almost maxed between the 30 people. So again I'm not sure what you are saying.
You are incorrect. They have the resources (t4ccs and the gold), but they do not already have champs like Kamala and She-Hulk max ranked as 4*s or at rank 4/55 as 5*s. Therefore they would get the same diversity points but not have the clear advantage when it comes to defender rating points.
They definitely do, I used to run with them. It was funny when members had to rank one up so they didn't burn a t4c.
Kabam, a lot of people in my alliance ranked up Dormamu, mordo, nightcrawler, etc, just to strength our defense in the old war (we had like 5 night crawlers 5/50). The right thing to do is give rank down tickets so we can better adapt to the new rules. Please be fair and consider that.
Kabam, a lot of people in my alliance ranked up Dormamu, mordo, nightcrawler, etc, just to strength our defense in the old war (we had like 5 night crawlers 5/50). The right thing to do is give rank down tickets so we can better adapt to the new rules. Please be fair and consider that.
Fabbass, The Ramones Leader
Nightcrawler is pretty nice against KP in master diff last quest.
Hold up, there's a lot of straight up BS going on around here.
@Draco2199 - Don't make me laugh. You couldn't survive in an elite alliance for one hour. It's not all about spending, you actually need to be skilled to make it - even though we all know the top 3 have AW pilots lol. Map 6 multiple days a week when starting prestige is probably higher than your prestige on day 3 is not something you can just pay to finish. Stop with the nonsense.
@Grub - I'm not in the top 3 but I'm very close. My ally doesn't have to worry at all about diversity. Still, just coz people like you and me worked harder and spent money doesn't mean the win should be automatic, which it is. We will probably benefit in terms of rewards, but AW is just not fun at all anymore. There should be some skill to it. Now, there is none.
I've been in a top 10 alliance until I semi retired a few months ago. I'm one of the more skilled players in the game and I've spent more than you probably paid for your house on this game. I've run Map 6x5 without using items so please stop with your nonsense. You don't know me I was a big time whale in the game until my semi retirement. But thanks for assuming I don't know what I'm talking about, I actually really do and I know all the "exploits we used to use" which didn't make the game fun. The truth is you can't win with skill anymore against top alliances. Thats the problem. And yes Top Alliances all account share with AQ and AW but Kabam won't do anything about it and we all know that. This has been known for years and Kabam was suppose to look into it but turned a blind eye. Not sure why.
First off, I don't believe you for a second. If you ever were in an elite ally you would know there is no one in the top that isn't skilled.
Secondly, your entire attitude tells me you're a BS artist.]
Third, LOL. You know nothing about my life. If you had spent as much as I paid for my house in this game, there would be a statue of you in the Kabam HQ, and a champ named after you.
There probably is.
That's funny, you must be the only person ever to spend millions on a game and still complain that $500 offers are too expensive....
Like I said, BS artist.
How so? Just because I spend money doesn't mean I can't disagree with pricing lol.....You must be right lol. Do you even have an r4 5* lol.
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What about my alliance, we've been 9M 2400 rating war, continuously facing 12-13M alliances and beating them due to defensive kills and our ability in attack (I won't say I am a monster, above average for sure but there are guys here that are just insane). What about us? Our skill can't allow us to stay in top tier anymore just because we don't have original dp thanos and kang? Even if we used to beat our opponents that now pass us just because they have a kang acquired by pure luck when the gifting event was on??
Now that he he's what he wants--not facing mystic defenses with dispersion--he doesn't like it bc this isn't fun. Fact: it's not fun now. War was fun bc it was a challenge to fight someone else's mastery/defense strategy. Now it's just kind of pointless--or, as brian grant put it, essentially another daily login calendar.
Finally, the whole "let's just change dexterity buff" argument is really annoying. Some of us (myself included) maxed mystic dispersion bc of those dexterity buffs expiring. I am assuming you didn't do so? Or maybe you did. But regardless, I'd you to into attack with magik, voodoo, vision, or Hawkeye or even arch angel, mystic dispersion isn't that bad to play around. I always brought vision, voodoo and Aq to war (unless we miraculously had a nightcrawler boss then star lord got to come off then bench).
I think this whole war experience falls under the old adage, be careful what you wish for bc you might get it.
Wasn't his standing strictly "dexterity vs MD" and not MD as an issue in general?
Of course we are maximizing diversity. We have 105 unique champs that we will place.
We will lose to alliances that place 105 champs with a higher defender rating. We will win against alliances with 105 unique champs with a lower defender rating.
Like @TBJ1118 said - Their alliance rating is similar to ours, but they don't have a Kang.
If my alliance ever faces them, we will beat them just because one alliance member got lucky and pulled Kang?
That makes sense to you?
Yes skill doesn't matter anymore it's all about the collection.
U can't separate the issue. Turning off the dex trigger effectively makes md meaningless as a defensive strategy. No champs possible buff enough except for maybe Mordo and Hyperion to make md challenging without dex triggers.
So when someone says, "let's just not let dex trigger md" (whether at all or just when u "hit" someone), they are really advocating for md being effectively out of wars.
Additionalky, he has at one point said that he would be okay with just the latter (only expiring when a hit occurs), but I have watched videos where he complains that kabam needs to "fix" dexterity in precisely that scenario as well.
It's obvious this is just trolling, its best at this point to ignore. Our concerns are very valid. Right now I think AW should just be on auto fight. As thats who wins are determined now.
The fault with your assumption is that you assume the top alliances have 5* Kamalas and 5* She-Hulks ranked up to R4/55 already. I don't believe that to be the case so defender rating will be a wash if somehow diversity points were practically the same.
If the dexterity refresh no longer proc'd MD, MD will still shut down the large amount of attackers that use buffs for their attack (CrossBones, Hyperion and many others).
It's the scoring system that does not reward skills. Attackers kills and defenders kills had the purpose to make you feel your fight had a purpose. They motivated you to be a better player.
Now there's no real challenge. Also showing all defenders classes in high tiers it's just a bad idea, since that hidden variable was something nice to play out as a strategy for defense.
There will always be a winner and a loser. Most alliances are happy to win 7-8 out of 10, some are happy at 5-6. This new system isn't going to cause anyone to lose every war they play. Everyone seems to be taking for granted that every war will be 100% completion for both teams and that's not the case. Some guys may get ko'd and as a whole the alliance may not feel like the rewards are worth the resources needed to keep pushing. Some guys would rather take a loss and use their items or units elsewhere. Others may only focus on war, and those are the matches that were usually lost in the previous system.
Still, I agree that in a tie, defender kills should have some merit, and there should be another metric besides diversity and defender rating. I even think that the team facing stronger defenders should have the edge here, but that just allows more manipulation and people would complain about losing because their defenders were too strong. There is always going to be something people disagree with. So maybe there can be a middle ground using a formula that takes diversity, defender rating, and defender kills into consideration for tie breakers.
Another thing, if you think this new map is too easy, then challenge yourself with using different champs, and not just your best attackers. Save those for questing or put them on defense to boost your defensive rating. The only reason I see people calling this new system broken is because they are searching for loopholes and seeing some they can't overcome at the moment. That's common for 99% of the alliances. If you want to consistently win wars, then you will have to adjust to the system in place now, and if you're clearing the map 100% every war without using items, then the only thing you are losing costs you is some shards in rewards. That is the only other thing that I think needs to be adjusted because of the introduction of 6* announcement. Other than that, just play. It's not rocket science or life and death, just develop a strategy and play.
I'm not following what you are saying? They can have 4* Kamalas and She-Hulks and still get the diversity. They don't need 5*s but they do have all the resources stashed to r5 whoever they might need. Most already have everyone nearly maxed out. Defender rating won't be a wash because they will have each champ in the game almost maxed between the 30 people. So again I'm not sure what you are saying.
You are incorrect. They have the resources (t4ccs and the gold), but they do not already have champs like Kamala and She-Hulk max ranked as 4*s or at rank 4/55 as 5*s. Therefore they would get the same diversity points but not have the clear advantage when it comes to defender rating points.
Agree, exactly. I posted a screen shot earlier, our alliance won the war, but our opponent got the victory because the only category they were better at was diversity. It's no longer about challenging map with touch defenders to beat in order to deserve the exploration and get the shot on the boss, it's about coordinating your alliance to place maximum possible diversity and then just routine waiting for energy so everyone can move forward without messing up paths and then have a little bit of a fun at the end when facing your mini boss and the boss... No surprises, no fun in fighting, the war we lost I got to the boss with no deaths and 2 full champs and I did my path alone. It rarely happened in the old war map.
Again, I can't see it being a greedy move, because even the top alliances, they will not have difficulties doing under 100% exploration both in each match and they're all organized well enough to place their best and follow their paths, so it'll be always about the diversity.
Suggestions:
1) diversity points based on champ tier - 2* unique champ adds 20pts. 3* 30pts, 4* 40pts, 5* 50pts, 6* 60pts (examples)
2) kills reward more points than diversity
3) not placing a defender rewards negative penalty points equal to kill points, so if killing a defender gives you 150 pts, not placing your defender takes away 150 pts from your score sheet.
4) revise defender rating points to match the diversity!! Make it count if alliance chooses to place high rank, high tier, high PI defenders rather than diversity only. 2pts per 1k of PI is nonsense!!!
5) revise the map nodes and difficulty to make it more fun, more challenging, so people get stuck and pay to move forward - I can't believe I'm telling you how to make money on us....
In other words I should just start bringing 3*'s to AW attack and ranking up my KK to R5 (she really wants to get involved) to make it interesting. The game isn't fun, interesting or challenging so it's on me to make it so. Makes sense.
Actually doesn't make much sense to me. I mean i get the "make the best of a bad situation" mentality, but this isn't something that i'm forced to do or have to do. If so, sure quit **** and get it done is exactly what I would say too. But I think the reason why the reaction is what it is so far is because people are trying to say "hey, this sucks and if you don't fix it I'm going to move on because it's no longer fun. So it's in your best interest to make it fun again".
So no, I won't be adjusting to the system in place. That's not a threat. Doubt anyone really cares who stays or goes. Why would I want to "carry on" with something I no longer find enjoyable? I'm only here long enough to find out what (if anything) their response is.
They definitely do, I used to run with them. It was funny when members had to rank one up so they didn't burn a t4c.
i totally agree, meh?!
Fabbass, The Ramones Leader
Nightcrawler is pretty nice against KP in master diff last quest.
How so? Just because I spend money doesn't mean I can't disagree with pricing lol.....You must be right lol. Do you even have an r4 5* lol.