Matchmaking Discussion [Merged Threads]

That’s a brand new alliance, no last season rating, the new system actually helps them get settled to where they should to be competing, without having to face bronze and silver tiered alliances for months

Ohhhhhhhhh... so its the "small" alliances fault for winning wars, when the entire blame for the flaw is on Kabam?
Now that Kabam want to "fix" this mess, they penalise the alli's that did nothing wrong.

That was likely when the system allowed people to win if they were skilled enough. Take a look at the Champs we have, differences in Ranks, new Nodes, and other factors at play right now. Let's stop pretending these Matches separate the skilled from the unskilled, and look at the reality of it. People are celebrating that Alliances have been placed in Matches they will never win no matter how skilled they are. What's worse is with Rating only locked in Tiers 1-5 in the off-season, it can still be affected and manipulated for Tiers 6-20, so that reasoning about War Rating being the only true measure goes out the window.
I'm going to say it quite plainly because I'm frankly disappointed with the decision. This Season, the changes in Matchmaking, and the changes in Rewards, was solely designed to make the top happy because they kicked up some dust. Which shows total disregard for anyone else affected by this. They complained that they couldn't overpower weaker Allies in the same Bracket, so now they're handed to them on a silver platter. It's blatant disregard to anything reasonable or fair. I'm not about to put Chanel on a pig.

You mean receiving lesser Rewards because they weren't winning Matches that were within their own range?

Please read the matchmaking thread, it will be broken for a few weeks to adjust for the system that has been unfair for a long time , and new matchmaking system that has been brought back in to fix it

Markjv81

Don’t think of it as penalised, think of it as properly rewarded.

@GroundedWisdom we aren’t celebrating the fact we can win easily, we are celebrating the fact we can now Quickly get to tiers where we can compete again for rewards we feel we deserve and have been missing out on for the amount of game we have played, money we have spent, and ranking we have done, silver 1 for 30m alliances who are actually trying has been a very hard graft for our alliance, and we had people leave every single season end. I don’t know about the locking thing, i don’t think that’s really a factor here. I think the new system should have gone live off season so this season isn’t a write for those lower alliances, but to say that the matchmaking system that let a 3* alliance ride the system to tier 4 and make gold rewards was Fairer than what we have now (once the dust settles) is crazy.

Romans58

Word it as you will, but those alliances did nothing wrong at all. They played the rules Kabam set out. You can only play whats in front of you.

This is certainly a way to hit those alli's for a season to "balance" out something which was caused by Kabam.

Let me also be clear, as a 30m alliance we won half our wars last season, but since we started in tier 13 we actually couldn’t get out of silver 1

Does this look like an alliance who deserves to be in silver 1 and having 900 prestige alliances place higher than us Last 4 seasons in gold 3/ silver 1

Thicco_Mode

that's true. they didn't do anything wrong, and it was in place by kabam. however, kabam have changed their game so war is based off war rating which it should have been. alliances that are good at war will face other alliances food at war. there will be a transition phase, but it's for the better

That's the whole point I'm making. If you're placed in even Matches and can only win half of them, that's not the fault of lower Alliances winning more of theirs. If you want to talk about skill, as far as I'm concerned, it starts with a fair fight. Not riding on the misfortunes of people who can never win.

Totally agree with that, and not something I've argued against at all. It's just a pity that the small alli's are getting hit because of Kabam's flawed logic, which has ultimately caused this.

QuikPik

@ch4rn And all the higher prestige alliances did nothing wrong either when Kabam changed the match making criteria. You could go 6-6 or 7-5 and still see you ranking drop because all these small alliances moved past you without ever having a chance to face them.

This is not a transition phase. This is forcing a large number of people to sacrifice their Season efforts to "fix" the system. It's a clear message that only the efforts of higher Alliances are worth something, and the rest are collateral damage, and expendable for the "system". That's about all I have left to say on the matter because quite frankly, it just makes me more angry.
The one thing I wasn't about to do is sit and hear people downplay it like it's some inconsequential corrective measure. There are Players on the other end of this. People whose efforts are just as valuable as anyone else's. At least they should be, but it seems the only thing they're worth is "adjustment".

The actual issue is we ended up in these tiers because of one split, which was caused by the matchmaking system and us ending up in gold 2, in the 2-3 week rebuild we lost a bunch of wars and ended up in Tier 11. once you are in lower tiers it was almost impossible to climb out of because any other alliance who had the same thing happen was also down there, we fought really good alliances repeatedly, no shortage of 30m alliances in tiers 12,13,14 and basically a graveyard for vet alliances, the good players get sick of the joke reward and leave it wasn’t good for the game. Alliances are the foundation of this game and the system was tiered towards rewarding new alliances rather than loyalty

Mr_Platypus

It’ll all be fair eventually. Old system made me consider joining a weaker alliance prestige wise because I’d end up with better rewards... that shows a very big flaw in the system.

.....and you lost. I'm really not trying to take a shot by pointing that out. Just stating that you get out of it by winning. Not by taking it out on Alliances that have no possible chance to win against you.

Demonzfyre

Yes? I dunno what to tell you.

LeNoirFaineant

No, proud of the win has nothing to do with this post.

Again, not arguing with that at all. This is a mess caused and created by Kabam.

Demonzfyre

How did you only win half the wars if you never belonged in silver 1?

Again, not arguing with that at all. This is a mess caused and created by Kabam.

DNA3000

People keep saying things like this, as if the words actually mean something. Yeah, the fault is Kabam's: they bowed like idiots to the people who complained about "unfair matching" without any understanding of how match systems are supposed to work, and created an environment where alliances were isolated from each other and unable to fight alliances of equal competitive strength. This led to alliances of completely different competitive strength ending up with the same war rating, which is totally broken. Alliances today have higher (or lower) ratings than they should have, and were matching against incorrect competition. They've now fixed that problem. Alliances are now forced to match against all other alliances that claim to have the same strength. And if that claim is wrong, that claim will get fixed, because those alliances will now start winning more or losing more until they reach their correct rating.

This is not punishment. This is what all ratings systems are supposed to do. They are supposed to take your alliance, match it against all other alliances claiming to have the same strength (rating), and see who actually deserves that rating. Winning repeatedly is what is supposed to happen if your alliances has a lower rating than its actual strength. Losing repeatedly is what is supposed to happen if your alliance has a higher rating than its actual strength. Winning and losing about half the time is what is supposed to happen if your alliance has a rating comparable to its actual strength. This is normal, this is what's supposed to happen, and there's no alternate way to make ratings work besides actual wins and losses that doesn't involve magic or a time machine.

Alliances are not being "penalized." They are being corrected to the rating they were always supposed to have. And the ONLY way to do that is to see who they can win against and who they will lose against. There is no other way to know where you belong. Kabam cannot take that pain away, because winning and losing isn't just one way to determine rating. It IS rating.

All I can say is the game will never come together cohesively until there is a fair system that values all Players. It's like we're always in this constant struggle between the Top and everyone else. Back-and-forth, trying to keep everyone happy. Focusing on everyone should be done all at once. Not at the expense of one or the other at a time.
I realize that I was the one that suggested Prestige. At the time, it was the only thing that fit in response to Tanking, and manipulating War Rating. It probably would have been best to taper off using it when Ratings were frozen. However, I think it should all be frozen. I've said that many times on here. The only way to guarantee it won't be manipulated is to separate the two. Years ago when I first suggested Seasons, that was what I had in mind. Sort of Diablo 3-style, where only progress made in the Season was judged.
I know I'm being harsh and all things considered, I'm not upset with Kabam. These decisions tend to be made in response to the current situations, and I get that they're doing their best for the best interests of the game. I'm more upset with the outcome than their decision. Switching to War Rating only isn't my objection. It's the way it's being implemented that has some pretty harsh effects on people, and that I just can't justify.

noregrets100

This is some garbage.

Plinko

So the people who have larger teams with higher prestige than yours. Are their efforts just ignored by you? Or by other people's efforts do you mean just yours? Because there's a lot of people who have put in more effort than you that are ranked below you. Is it unfair to earn a spot in those higher tiers by actually playing the teams that worked themselves there?

You think I'm talking about me? I'm in Silver 1 with 2 BGs. Our Match is 5 Mil more than us, but we have a chance to win.
It's not about me. It's about what's right. If Alliances higher than me are Ranking lower, they're not winning their own Wars. Simple as that. Did they have the possibility of winning? Sure did. Now we have Matches that people have no possibility at all of winning.