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AvolA1987

It’s comical reading these threads. All these guys in high alliances thinking they’ve been getting screwed just because they couldn’t beat opponents equal to them. So now there happy they get to beat up lower opponents to get better rewards. Everyone should be fighting alliances at there same level. Just because you can’t beat the people at your level doesn’t mean lower alliances should be punished for it.
If you belive that those are equal based on rating and prestige, then all alliances should've be first placed in different tiers based on rating and prestige, and then only move up and down within that tier. Then those 10kk alliances would've never be above silver 2 probably. So yes, all those guys were screwed for a very long time.
If you're using 3* or 4* in aw, you should not be getting plat rewards
Just because your in a higher rated alliance and higher prestige doesn’t mean your better then someone in a lower one. You can buy rating an prestige. I play incursions with people in way higher alliances an better prestige then me and they die all the time before me. Like I said basically all you higher rated guys just glad you get to fight lower rated alliance because you suck to bad to beat alliances equal too you.

Just wow. It has nothing to do with higher rated allies not able to beat their own level allies. Lower rated allies are taking up spots in the ranking where they don't belong. They have gained those spots, fighting allies of their own level. Highter rating means more effort have been put in to every single account (bought, or not) in that alliance. It does not make sense that lower rated alliances can get equal (or better) rewards than higher rated alliances. What's the point of going to a higher rated alliance then, anyways (regarding AW).

Worknprogress

If you can't win 50% of your wars matched against other alliances in the tier you're in, you're in the wrong tier. It's pretty simple

Jridenhour_3

It’s comical reading these threads. All these guys in high alliances thinking they’ve been getting screwed just because they couldn’t beat opponents equal to them. So now there happy they get to beat up lower opponents to get better rewards. Everyone should be fighting alliances at there same level. Just because you can’t beat the people at your level doesn’t mean lower alliances should be punished for it.
If you belive that those are equal based on rating and prestige, then all alliances should've be first placed in different tiers based on rating and prestige, and then only move up and down within that tier. Then those 10kk alliances would've never be above silver 2 probably. So yes, all those guys were screwed for a very long time.
If you're using 3* or 4* in aw, you should not be getting plat rewards
Just because your in a higher rated alliance and higher prestige doesn’t mean your better then someone in a lower one. You can buy rating an prestige. I play incursions with people in way higher alliances an better prestige then me and they die all the time before me. Like I said basically all you higher rated guys just glad you get to fight lower rated alliance because you suck to bad to beat alliances equal too you.
Just wow. It has nothing to do with higher rated allies not able to beat their own level allies. Lower rated allies are taking up spots in the ranking where they don't belong. They have gained those spots, fighting allies of their own level. Highter rating means more effort have been put in to every single account (bought, or not) in that alliance. It does not make sense that lower rated alliances can get equal (or better) rewards than higher rated alliances. What's the point of going to a higher rated alliance then, anyways (regarding AW).
Ok ok I got it from all you guys. You think just because you either bought your roster or have no life an live on the game you just automatically deserve the better rewards whether your actually good or not an actually deserves the rewards. Just because your in a higher alliance
Never said that.
The problem is you think it's bad when prestige defines your rewards, because even with lower prestige you still may be stronger ally. But it's good when it defines your matched, because apparently alliances with higher prestige are stronger then you by default. Can't you see how inconsistent it is?

Pretty sure I never said they were automatically better. But a 10 mill alliance shouldn’t be fighting a 30mill alliance. And also straight from kabaam own people I was told that they will set a high rated alliance against a low rated alliance to help the higher one get a win if they struggling against opponents of own strength. Because Iike I’ve said higher rating doesn’t mean better. My alliance consistently beat people 5-10 million higher then us. But why should we have to fight higher alliances while higher alliance get to fight super low ones.

TheTalents

I feel like this should settle this discussion. This alliance finished plat 4 last season. We’ve been stuck in gold 1 for many seasons. Their war rating was higher than ours. They couldn’t even complete the map. It took 10 deaths for them to get through one defender. By the time it was over they had 122 deaths and hadn’t even 100% the map. I think it’s funny that people on this chat are saying this allys like this deserve to be higher, etc. Now that they are playing head to head based on war rating (which why wouldn’t you use war rating as a matching metric since it is created by alliance war win/loss?) They couldn’t hang. We should be thrilled that the contest has addressed this unfair imbalance.

That is the point that made me so upset about the old system. These low rated platinum 4 guys would talk down to alliances like myself stuck in gold 1/2 as if they were facing the same competition as us and just simply had more skill than our alliance. It was a joke, don't be mad now that you found out the truth.
You got to enjoy over inflated rewards for at least 5 plus seasons now. So I can't really feel super sorry for 4 or 5 wars of "bad" match ups.

Worknprogress

It’s comical reading these threads. All these guys in high alliances thinking they’ve been getting screwed just because they couldn’t beat opponents equal to them. So now there happy they get to beat up lower opponents to get better rewards. Everyone should be fighting alliances at there same level. Just because you can’t beat the people at your level doesn’t mean lower alliances should be punished for it.
If you belive that those are equal based on rating and prestige, then all alliances should've be first placed in different tiers based on rating and prestige, and then only move up and down within that tier. Then those 10kk alliances would've never be above silver 2 probably. So yes, all those guys were screwed for a very long time.
If you're using 3* or 4* in aw, you should not be getting plat rewards
Just because your in a higher rated alliance and higher prestige doesn’t mean your better then someone in a lower one. You can buy rating an prestige. I play incursions with people in way higher alliances an better prestige then me and they die all the time before me. Like I said basically all you higher rated guys just glad you get to fight lower rated alliance because you suck to bad to beat alliances equal too you.
Just wow. It has nothing to do with higher rated allies not able to beat their own level allies. Lower rated allies are taking up spots in the ranking where they don't belong. They have gained those spots, fighting allies of their own level. Highter rating means more effort have been put in to every single account (bought, or not) in that alliance. It does not make sense that lower rated alliances can get equal (or better) rewards than higher rated alliances. What's the point of going to a higher rated alliance then, anyways (regarding AW).
Ok ok I got it from all you guys. You think just because you either bought your roster or have no life an live on the game you just automatically deserve the better rewards whether your actually good or not an actually deserves the rewards. Just because your in a higher alliance
I'm really not sure what planet some of you all live on
Guess you don’t like I call you guys out for exactly what they were saying. Higher alliances automatically deserve better rewards

No they deserve whatever they get from matching from a pool of alliances around them in rating just like smaller alliances. Smaller alliances don't deserve being in a tier where they automatically avoid the majority of other people in that tier. If you can still maintain the tier while matching those rated around you, great. If you can't, well you'll fall back to what ever tier you actually should have been in

Greekhit

It’s comical reading these threads. All these guys in high alliances thinking they’ve been getting screwed just because they couldn’t beat opponents equal to them. So now there happy they get to beat up lower opponents to get better rewards. Everyone should be fighting alliances at there same level. Just because you can’t beat the people at your level doesn’t mean lower alliances should be punished for it.

Don’t worry everyone will be fighting alliances at their same level very soon. You will be fighting alliances at your level, but with the correct rewards this time. The small allies were being “punished” for more than 10 aw seasons, by placing at high gold or even platinum brackets. Now they will be rewarded with the amazing silver and bronze bracket rewards. Enjoy your 3* openings from now on if you find it “comical” 🤣

Uvogin

It’s comical reading these threads. All these guys in high alliances thinking they’ve been getting screwed just because they couldn’t beat opponents equal to them. So now there happy they get to beat up lower opponents to get better rewards. Everyone should be fighting alliances at there same level. Just because you can’t beat the people at your level doesn’t mean lower alliances should be punished for it.
If you belive that those are equal based on rating and prestige, then all alliances should've be first placed in different tiers based on rating and prestige, and then only move up and down within that tier. Then those 10kk alliances would've never be above silver 2 probably. So yes, all those guys were screwed for a very long time.
If you're using 3* or 4* in aw, you should not be getting plat rewards
Just because your in a higher rated alliance and higher prestige doesn’t mean your better then someone in a lower one. You can buy rating an prestige. I play incursions with people in way higher alliances an better prestige then me and they die all the time before me. Like I said basically all you higher rated guys just glad you get to fight lower rated alliance because you suck to bad to beat alliances equal too you.
Just wow. It has nothing to do with higher rated allies not able to beat their own level allies. Lower rated allies are taking up spots in the ranking where they don't belong. They have gained those spots, fighting allies of their own level. Highter rating means more effort have been put in to every single account (bought, or not) in that alliance. It does not make sense that lower rated alliances can get equal (or better) rewards than higher rated alliances. What's the point of going to a higher rated alliance then, anyways (regarding AW).
Ok ok I got it from all you guys. You think just because you either bought your roster or have no life an live on the game you just automatically deserve the better rewards whether your actually good or not an actually deserves the rewards. Just because your in a higher alliance
I'm really not sure what planet some of you all live on
Guess you don’t like I call you guys out for exactly what they were saying. Higher alliances automatically deserve better rewards

Yes in fact they do deserve better rewards. Who do you think needs T2 alphas, t5b and t5cc? Someone who has 6 stars or someone with only 4 stars?

Jridenhour_3

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.

You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.

Worknprogress

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play.

And if your skill beats the other alliances around you in war rating, that's exactly what will happen

Greekhit

You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play.

Then you are playing the wrong game, cause MCOC requires skills but rewards are mostly come from roster build, that you grinded or paid to get. It’s a mix of all these, someone needs to be on top.

Corby11

It’s simple if everyone shares from the same reward pool then everyone in theory should be able to play any other team and to be at the top then you should be able to beat any other team on the road to get there - full stop. The matches should be based on war rating and you will eventually reach a level where you belong, can’t move up further because teams above you are too strong for you to beat and won’t drop lower because you are stronger than teams below so you will sit in a pool of similar rated alliances and matchups will be fair. The fact there will be some uneven matches in the first few weeks is just because weaker alliances railings were previously over stated, after that initial period we will all be fighting similar level teams so all this nonsense about higher alliances wanting to beat up lower alliances is just so much hot air.

DL864

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.

Wrong. Lower alliance is not facing anything like higher ones in difficulty. So you basically you want content tune to your roster and get the same rewards as someone with a much better roster who has to face much harder content that's basically what you're saying

Jridenhour_3

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play.
And if your skill beats the other alliances around you in war rating, that's exactly what will happen

Not exactly. Because money runs this game. You can be one of the most skilled alliances in the game but fight an alliance way higher then you an lose just based on you haven’t bought all the counters to the nodes or spent your life on the game getting all the champs.

Worknprogress

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play.
And if your skill beats the other alliances around you in war rating, that's exactly what will happen
Not exactly. Because money runs this game. You can be one of the most skilled alliances in the game but fight an alliance way higher then you an lose just based on you haven’t bought all the counters to the nodes or spent your life on the game getting all the champs.

Having a deep roster is beneficial in a game that's all about building a roster to get through matchups? Color me shocked

Jridenhour_3

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
Wrong. Lower alliance is not facing anything like higher ones in difficulty. So you basically you want content tune to your roster and get the same rewards as someone with a much better roster who has to face much harder content that's basically what you're saying

Based on rosters yes they are. Because a lower tier might be easier for your roster someone else’s roster it may feel just as difficult as what you fight with your roster. I’m gonna end it with what I said before. Some of you guys think just because you bought a good roster or live on the game deserve better rewards then a ftp or a person with a life whether your good or not but expect lower alliances to be all super skilled and beat absurd opponents to get rewards you don’t deserve yourself just cuz you have a higher rating.

Worknprogress

I honestly feel bad for most people stuck like this for a while and as I've said, if it was me I'd just scrap the season, match, let my rating fall until matches got manageable, and work on content in the meantime. Some people make it way harder to have any sympathy for them though.

Uvogin

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
Wrong. Lower alliance is not facing anything like higher ones in difficulty. So you basically you want content tune to your roster and get the same rewards as someone with a much better roster who has to face much harder content that's basically what you're saying
Based on rosters yes they are. Because a lower tier might be easier for your roster someone else’s roster it may feel just as difficult as what you fight with your roster. I’m gonna end it with what I said before. Some of you guys think just because you bought a good roster or live on the game deserve better rewards then a ftp or a person with a life whether your good or not but expect lower alliances to be all super skilled and beat absurd opponents to get rewards you don’t deserve yourself just cuz you have a higher rating.

You're playing the wrong game then buddy. act 5 is just as difficult to do with 3 stars as act 6 is to do with 5 stars but then they don't have the same rewards now, do they?

Worknprogress

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
Wrong. Lower alliance is not facing anything like higher ones in difficulty. So you basically you want content tune to your roster and get the same rewards as someone with a much better roster who has to face much harder content that's basically what you're saying
Based on rosters yes they are. Because a lower tier might be easier for your roster someone else’s roster it may feel just as difficult as what you fight with your roster. I’m gonna end it with what I said before. Some of you guys think just because you bought a good roster or live on the game deserve better rewards then a ftp or a person with a life whether your good or not but expect lower alliances to be all super skilled to get rewards you don’t deserve.
You are so self entitled you don't want to play the game and work hard at it you don't want to spend on it but you want the same rewards as people who do. That happens nowhere in the world in competitive Sports or the work force.
I’m the entitled one lol.The guys that think they deserve good rewards when they can’t beat alliances at there own leve. Give me an f’n break I could care less. I think it’s just funny. All these high alliance people all excited bc they get to beat up on low alliances an get good rewards they don’t have the skill to earn by beating same rated alliances.

So far we've matched Omni and our next match is likely one of the top 3 finishers from last season. Definitely haven't seen any major reduction in difficulty for who we're matching currently. Think we won 9 of our wars last season and lost to KenOB twice and NewN once. Both finished in the top 3. This change doesn't have a large affect on me personally right now but that doesn't make any of you any less ridiculous

SunilDarur

The more I think about it the more I feel that alliances like mine - who were robbed of a higher placing in AW because of the grossly unfair system of having everyone share the same prize pool without having the potential to face every opponent of the same AW rank and fighting in the same map tiers - should given compensation. It’s cost some of us thousands of 6* shards finishing Gold 1 when without this handicap we should have been Platinum. This should never have happened in the first place, if kabam had wanted to group alliances by prestige they should have separated the reward tiers in the same manner. This rebalancing of AW is well over due.

Totally agree with @Corby11. Kabam needs to compensate all the alliances who were impacted due to this system.

-sixate-

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
Wrong. Lower alliance is not facing anything like higher ones in difficulty. So you basically you want content tune to your roster and get the same rewards as someone with a much better roster who has to face much harder content that's basically what you're saying
Based on rosters yes they are. Because a lower tier might be easier for your roster someone else’s roster it may feel just as difficult as what you fight with your roster. I’m gonna end it with what I said before. Some of you guys think just because you bought a good roster or live on the game deserve better rewards then a ftp or a person with a life whether your good or not but expect lower alliances to be all super skilled to get rewards you don’t deserve.
You are so self entitled you don't want to play the game and work hard at it you don't want to spend on it but you want the same rewards as people who do. That happens nowhere in the world in competitive Sports or the work force.
I’m the entitled one lol.The guys that think they deserve good rewards when they can’t beat alliances at there own leve. Give me an f’n break I could care less. I think it’s just funny. All these high alliance people all excited bc they get to beat up on low alliances an get good rewards they don’t have the skill to earn by beating same rated alliances.

They aren't excited to beat up on smaller alliances. They're excited to get out of the tar they've been stuck in for 10 seasons with no chance of movement. Meanwhile small alliances have been shooting past them without having to face a hard war. If you can't beat the majority of alliances in your tier you shouldn't be there.

Greekhit

Totally agree with @Corby11. Kabam needs to compensate all the alliances who were impacted due to this system.

Imagine 10 seasons of lost 5* shards. It’s hundred of thousands of
them and this situation has affected more than 90% of the allies, half of them positively (low prestige), half of them negatively (high prestige). Realistically? This can’t be sorted. As one of those who got shafted for a long time 😠, I’ll take as minimum compensation, the guarantee from Kabam, that AW rating will be the ONLY parameter for matchmaking, from now on 👍

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Jridenhour_3

They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.
You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
Wrong. Lower alliance is not facing anything like higher ones in difficulty. So you basically you want content tune to your roster and get the same rewards as someone with a much better roster who has to face much harder content that's basically what you're saying
Based on rosters yes they are. Because a lower tier might be easier for your roster someone else’s roster it may feel just as difficult as what you fight with your roster. I’m gonna end it with what I said before. Some of you guys think just because you bought a good roster or live on the game deserve better rewards then a ftp or a person with a life whether your good or not but expect lower alliances to be all super skilled to get rewards you don’t deserve.
You are so self entitled you don't want to play the game and work hard at it you don't want to spend on it but you want the same rewards as people who do. That happens nowhere in the world in competitive Sports or the work force.
I’m the entitled one lol.The guys that think they deserve good rewards when they can’t beat alliances at there own leve. Give me an f’n break I could care less. I think it’s just funny. All these high alliance people all excited bc they get to beat up on low alliances an get good rewards they don’t have the skill to earn by beating same rated alliances.
They aren't excited to beat up on smaller alliances. They're excited to get out of the tar they've been stuck in for 10 seasons with no chance of movement. Meanwhile small alliances have been shooting past them without having to face a hard war. If you can't beat the majority of alliances in your tier you shouldn't be there.

If they won there wars they wouldn’t have been stuck in same tier. Sounds like they just weren’t very skilled and couldn’t beat evenly matched opponents

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Greekhit

If they won there wars they wouldn’t have been stuck in same tier. Sounds like they just weren’t very skilled and couldn’t beat evenly matched opponents

They can’t all win. Half of them will win, half of them will lose, by definition. So half of them will still be stuck and get shafted. It’s not a matter of skills is a matter of statistics. What part of that you fail to understand?

Jridenhour_3

You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
You obviously have not done act 6 and most modes in the game it is progression based. You cannot whether act 6 with 4 stars. You are also gated on roster in 6.2 and need extremely specific counters for 6.3 and 6.4.

Watch the following explains it well.

https://youtu.be/tnJvOcgTnvA

I’m sitting at 6.3 currently so I’ve made a run thru 6.1 an 6.2

Jridenhour_3

If they won there wars they wouldn’t have been stuck in same tier. Sounds like they just weren’t very skilled and couldn’t beat evenly matched opponents
They can’t all win. Half of them will win, half of them will lose, by definition. So half of them will still be stuck and get shafted. It’s not a matter of skills is a matter of statistics. What part of that you fail to understand?

If you win your wars you move up. That’s a fact. Has nothing to do with statistician you win you move up you lose you move down.

Worknprogress

You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
You obviously have not done act 6 and most modes in the game it is progression based. You cannot whether act 6 with 4 stars. You are also gated on roster in 6.2 and need extremely specific counters for 6.3 and 6.4.

Watch the following explains it well.

https://youtu.be/tnJvOcgTnvA
I’m sitting at 6.3 currently so I’ve made a run thru 6.1 an 6.2

Act 6 is far more roster dependent than war. If what you said is true, I have no idea what you're complaining about

Jridenhour_3

You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
You obviously have not done act 6 and most modes in the game it is progression based. You cannot whether act 6 with 4 stars. You are also gated on roster in 6.2 and need extremely specific counters for 6.3 and 6.4.

Watch the following explains it well.

https://youtu.be/tnJvOcgTnvA
I’m sitting at 6.3 currently so I’ve made a run thru 6.1 an 6.2
Act 6 is far more roster dependent than war. If what you said is true, I have no idea what you're complaining about

It’s true no reason to lie about it. I have a decent roster. R5 duped doom domino NF r5 Corvus r2 6sunspot an a lot of top champs r4 in my roster. JPR3 if you don’t believe me is one account I have.