Matchmaking Discussion [Merged Threads]

LeNoirFaineant · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

CaptainGame said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Mr_Platypus said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

Skitard said:
that was weird... it merged my 2 posts... anywho... that should have said if you are in a 20mil ally and can't beat a 19.5mil - 20.5mil ally you don't deserve to be rewarded as good as a 10mil ally who CAN beat a 9.5 - 10.5 mil ally...
The fact that you believe a 10mil ally facing another 10mil ally faces the same type of challenge that a 20mil ally facing another 20mil ally shows you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

Factor in higher champ levels, higher sig level, higher health pools coupled with the same nodes and time limits and you'll see the 20mil ally has a greater challenge.

Given similar skill levels a 5* r3/4 attacker facing a low sig 5* r4 or unduped 6*r1 defender is not equal to a 5* r4/5 high sig 5* r5 or 6* r2/3.

Also it's not that these 20mil allys can't beat them, often it's very close and comes down to 1 or 2 attack bonus for either side with can be caused by so many factors and not just lack of skill.
Did you forget to factor in the higher Levels they're using for fire power as well, or are you just comparing what someone else is working with to the larger Champs?
Umm did you not see that included in the third paragraph or are you just choosing what to read again?
Again, do better.
Do better... um bring something to the discussion that adds something, you asked and I answered.

Here's something you can answer, which is a harder fight, a 5* r3 stealth spidy vs a 5* r4 thing with a sig level of 20 OR a 5*r4 stealth spidy vs a 5* r5 thing with a sig level of 200.

An actual answer would be appreciated but I'm not holding my breath given your record.
Why would you take an R4 Stealthy into a Fight with a Sig 200 Max Thing?
Because it happens to be the only counter in your battlegroup perhaps?
Then you make better choices in the future. War is as much about smart choices as it is button mashing.
Ahh yes because we choose what champs get and instantly have them maxed ready for any scnerio, it definitely never occurs that you will face an opponent that your teams best counter for isn't the ultimate option. How stupid to try.

Again how about answering that question that provides an EXAMPLE SITUATION.. or is the reason you won't answer is because yoi know the latter is the more challenging fight and if you did admit that then everything you've been rambling about would be contradicted by something you say yet again??
No. You don't have Champs immediately ready. Which means you do the best you can with what you have, take your Losses, and work towards better counters. What we're talking about here is having the possibility of any Win being taken. At all. What kind of system allows you to lose before you even get to play? Why play at all? Just shuffle it, weigh strengths, and hand out the Rewards. Why bother putting 24 hours of effort into planning just to be handed a Match that's over before it's begun? If people think that's fair, they need to look up the definition.
Don’t play for a couple months.
For the last time, my Matches are fine. I'm talking about the unfair Matches others have to go through, and no matter how proud or cocky people get about it, it's not right. Not a bit.

But you couldn't care less about the **** many of us had to go through for the last multiple seasons, which caused many good alliances to fold. That you dismiss with a wave of you hand because we should have done better. The important thing for you is the other groups you know little about have to face a few mismatches after seasons of inflated rewards. All the while you know nothing about either situation from actual experience. How freaking arrogant.

Mr_Platypus · July 2020

It’s funny how grounded asked to stop being tagged in the main thread because he was done, but will happily come and argue the exact same points (please get some new arguments that haven’t been countered countless times) in another thread either he same people...

DooM62 · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Mr_Platypus said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DooM62 said:

Skitard said:
that was weird... it merged my 2 posts... anywho... that should have said if you are in a 20mil ally and can't beat a 19.5mil - 20.5mil ally you don't deserve to be rewarded as good as a 10mil ally who CAN beat a 9.5 - 10.5 mil ally...
The fact that you believe a 10mil ally facing another 10mil ally faces the same type of challenge that a 20mil ally facing another 20mil ally shows you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

Factor in higher champ levels, higher sig level, higher health pools coupled with the same nodes and time limits and you'll see the 20mil ally has a greater challenge.

Given similar skill levels a 5* r3/4 attacker facing a low sig 5* r4 or unduped 6*r1 defender is not equal to a 5* r4/5 high sig 5* r5 or 6* r2/3.

Also it's not that these 20mil allys can't beat them, often it's very close and comes down to 1 or 2 attack bonus for either side with can be caused by so many factors and not just lack of skill.
Did you forget to factor in the higher Levels they're using for fire power as well, or are you just comparing what someone else is working with to the larger Champs?
Umm did you not see that included in the third paragraph or are you just choosing what to read again?
Again, do better.
Do better... um bring something to the discussion that adds something, you asked and I answered.

Here's something you can answer, which is a harder fight, a 5* r3 stealth spidy vs a 5* r4 thing with a sig level of 20 OR a 5*r4 stealth spidy vs a 5* r5 thing with a sig level of 200.

An actual answer would be appreciated but I'm not holding my breath given your record.
Why would you take an R4 Stealthy into a Fight with a Sig 200 Max Thing?
Because it happens to be the only counter in your battlegroup perhaps?
Then you make better choices in the future. War is as much about smart choices as it is button mashing.
Ahh yes because we choose what champs get and instantly have them maxed ready for any scnerio, it definitely never occurs that you will face an opponent that your teams best counter for isn't the ultimate option. How stupid to try.

Again how about answering that question that provides an EXAMPLE SITUATION.. or is the reason you won't answer is because yoi know the latter is the more challenging fight and if you did admit that then everything you've been rambling about would be contradicted by something you say yet again??
No. You don't have Champs immediately ready. Which means you do the best you can with what you have, take your Losses, and work towards better counters. What we're talking about here is having the possibility of any Win being taken. At all. What kind of system allows you to lose before you even get to play? Why play at all? Just shuffle it, weigh strengths, and hand out the Rewards. Why bother putting 24 hours of effort into planning just to be handed a Match that's over before it's begun? If people think that's fair, they need to look up the definition.

No we are not talking about that here (WOW), what we are talking about and what the post of mine you started replying to was actually talking about whether a 10mil ally vs 10mil ally faces the same challenge as a 20mil ally vs 20mil ally... nothing else. Nothing to do with a low level ally facing an unwinable war.

OP I replied to stated that the 10mil ally and the 20mil ally face the same challenges when facing an equal level opponent in war to which I posed the question, that you replied to but of course didn't answer and now revealed you don't even know the context behind it, to show in an EXAMPLE that the challenge the 10mil ally faces against another 10mil ally is indeed not the same level of challenge the 20mil ally faces when against another 20mil ally.

Please go back and read and understand what the actual discussion you decided to reply to was about.

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Plinko · July 2020

CaptainGame said:
How does a troll get over 32k dislikes, marked for spam and abuse a combined 12.4k times, continue trolling, and not get banned??? It’s absolutely baffling to me.

I honestly would like to know the answer to this one myself...

rock65x · July 2020

Seems legit.

Mr_Platypus · July 2020

rock65x said:

Seems legit.

That’s because it is.

Pulyaman · July 2020

You guys who apparently got screwed can stop rubbing your faces in the people complaining about their unfair match up. This was expected once Kabam announced the change. I am expecting everyone who is gloating now to come back after a couple of seasons to come back and complain that the matches are too hard.
The thing I can see is that even with earlier matching , we were not matched that different with respect to war rating. I am pretty sure, it is the same with higher prestige alliances(we are at 10k), so I don't know if everyone is expecting their rewards to improve magically from silver 1 to plat 1. You are still going to get matched with tough alliances, and you will still lose. All this for a very small number of alliances that made it into the platinum tiers. It was wrong, but suggesting that it was the only reason you guys were losing out on rewards is plainly stupid. After the war rating settles down, you are going to get matched with the same alliances as before, or even tougher ones consistently.

LeNoirFaineant · July 2020

Pulyaman said:
You guys who apparently got screwed can stop rubbing your faces in the people complaining about their unfair match up. This was expected once Kabam announced the change. I am expecting everyone who is gloating now to come back after a couple of seasons to come back and complain that the matches are too hard.
The thing I can see is that even with earlier matching , we were not matched that different with respect to war rating. I am pretty sure, it is the same with higher prestige alliances(we are at 10k), so I don't know if everyone is expecting their rewards to improve magically from silver 1 to plat 1. You are still going to get matched with tough alliances, and you will still lose. All this for a very small number of alliances that made it into the platinum tiers. It was wrong, but suggesting that it was the only reason you guys were losing out on rewards is plainly stupid. After the war rating settles down, you are going to get matched with the same alliances as before, or even tougher ones consistently.

Getting matched with the same alliances in the higher tiers will be just fine. You don't know what you are talking about. The problem was that if you had an issue in your alliance and dropped tiers you never got easier matches. You still fought higher groups fighting for plat 1/2 even if you were in gold. Or if you fell far enough you fought matches where deaths were few on both sides and on bad fight determined the war. War rating will make all the difference.

rock65x · July 2020

Sure. One alliance is nearly 3 times stronger than the other, can place 30 6*s for defenders. Seems legit to you in what universe? Lol.

Mr_Platypus · July 2020

You both got silver 2 last season, your war ratings are near identical.
Beat them or lose, one leads to tougher matches, the other leads to easier matches as it always should’ve been.
Unlike the last however many seasons where the difficulty of the opponent never, ever changed until your prestige did.

Mr_Platypus · July 2020

Pulyaman said:
You guys who apparently got screwed can stop rubbing your faces in the people complaining about their unfair match up. This was expected once Kabam announced the change. I am expecting everyone who is gloating now to come back after a couple of seasons to come back and complain that the matches are too hard.
The thing I can see is that even with earlier matching , we were not matched that different with respect to war rating. I am pretty sure, it is the same with higher prestige alliances(we are at 10k), so I don't know if everyone is expecting their rewards to improve magically from silver 1 to plat 1. You are still going to get matched with tough alliances, and you will still lose. All this for a very small number of alliances that made it into the platinum tiers. It was wrong, but suggesting that it was the only reason you guys were losing out on rewards is plainly stupid. After the war rating settles down, you are going to get matched with the same alliances as before, or even tougher ones consistently.

The only thing I think could be improved with the currents superior matchmaking system, is the way they went about switching from the old one.
The better way (imo) would be to reset everyone to 0 war rating temporarily and then do something simple like ‘prestige/10 = war rating’ then theoretically everyone has ‘fair fights’ against people of a similar roster level.

Those whose skills surpass their prestige, move up and fight stronger opponents, both roster and skill wise, those whose skills are worse than their prestige will drop, which is how the current system will be once everything evens out.

xNig · July 2020

rock65x said:
Sure. One alliance is nearly 3 times stronger than the other, can place 30 6*s for defenders. Seems legit to you in what universe? Lol.

The weaker alliance can also have 0 deaths and max diversity and win the stronger alliance.

War ratings show that both alliances have similar war capabilities. Both alliances got the same season rank reward last season.

If the weaker one can’t beat the stronger one, or at least put up a legitimate fight, then they shouldn’t be in the same tier and war bracket, no?

JessieS · July 2020

I don’t understand this rating nonsense . Alliances should be matched based on the strength of the players . If you want some crazy matches on ridiculously high tiers for no lifers go for it but let us more casual players at the silver level and below get normal matches . Seriously this is bs

Speeds80 · July 2020

Pulyaman said:
You guys who apparently got screwed can stop rubbing your faces in the people complaining about their unfair match up. This was expected once Kabam announced the change. I am expecting everyone who is gloating now to come back after a couple of seasons to come back and complain that the matches are too hard.
The thing I can see is that even with earlier matching , we were not matched that different with respect to war rating. I am pretty sure, it is the same with higher prestige alliances(we are at 10k), so I don't know if everyone is expecting their rewards to improve magically from silver 1 to plat 1. You are still going to get matched with tough alliances, and you will still lose. All this for a very small number of alliances that made it into the platinum tiers. It was wrong, but suggesting that it was the only reason you guys were losing out on rewards is plainly stupid. After the war rating settles down, you are going to get matched with the same alliances as before, or even tougher ones consistently.

We played in tier 6-7 for the first 9 seasons, gold 1 sometimes gold 2 if we had a bad run, almost zero items, but ranking 5/65 korgs and things and investing in rankup materials to give us a shot at making plat. One alliance split (8 players left) Took a few weeks to recruit and settle screwed us into tier 11, we have been g3 and sil1 ever since, winning half our wars, b it never being able to progress because of the low prestige alliances in our tier, having cakewalk matches against noobs and uNorganised alliances, believe me we will be fine with tier 7 matchups again,
You have no idea because you haven’t bothered to read what’s actually been happening and how messed up war ratings are right now,

xNig · July 2020

JessieS said:
I don’t understand this rating nonsense . Alliances should be matched based on the strength of the players . If you want some crazy matches on ridiculously high tiers for no lifers go for it but let us more casual players at the silver level and below get normal matches . Seriously this is bs

Yes, eventually you’ll get the normal matches. For now, during this adjustment transition period, as war ratings stabilized into your equilibrium war rating, mismatches (based on alliance strength) will occur. But these mismatches are totally fair in the system as the war ratings of these alliances match.

The system will adjust itself and matchups will get fairer and fairer over time (based on alliance rating and prestige).

Speeds80 · July 2020

This is a summary. New fairer system back to proven matchmaking system, = the game doesn’t fall apart from all the vets throwing in the towel. This has lead to some unfair wars this season. Soon the matches will be fair.
The end

Mr_Platypus · July 2020

Maybe what we need is a casual war option.
A sort of ‘friendly’ of sorts where you’re matched purely on alliance rating and nothing else.
Standardised rewards based on your alliance rating.
Absolutely 0 points towards AW season. Then all you little guys can prove that you’re just wanting fair matches by playing that mode, after all it’s just about having fun in an even match, not the platinum rewards right?

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Mr_Platypus · July 2020

Simple way to deal with tanking would be to have the option of reporting alliances for tanking, then kabam take a look at their recent war history, if they are considered to be cheating the system then they are reset to a standardised war rating for their alliance level and banned from receiving season rewards for a season atleast.
Of course the system wouldn’t be perfect and every report would need to be checked by human eyes and not use some algorithm to decide whether it’s tanking or not.
And there should be an appeal process that the leaders of said alliance can easily reach and explain their side to the story, of which every single appeal should be checked thoroughly.

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Skitard · July 2020

Guess it's pointless to argue with them @GroundedWisdom... they don't agree with a bracketing reward system because they paid for all the upgrades they could get to increase their skills... only to find that skill wasn't included in the bundle... so they are all going to disagree with everything we say... since we didn't drop hundreds/thousands of dollars into the game, then we don't deserve to be rewarded for being able to win fights... but since they did they deserve tons of 5 and 6 star shards even if they lose every war...

For those of you who do agree with a bracketing system... kudos to you...

for those who don't... don't worry... kabam cares about you enough to reward you for your lack of skill...

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LeNoirFaineant · July 2020

Skitard said:
Guess it's pointless to argue with them @GroundedWisdom... they don't agree with a bracketing reward system because they paid for all the upgrades they could get to increase their skills... only to find that skill wasn't included in the bundle... so they are all going to disagree with everything we say... since we didn't drop hundreds/thousands of dollars into the game, then we don't deserve to be rewarded for being able to win fights... but since they did they deserve tons of 5 and 6 star shards even if they lose every war...

For those of you who do agree with a bracketing system... kudos to you...

for those who don't... don't worry... kabam cares about you enough to reward you for your lack of skill...

Free to play here lmao

Sensei_Maat · July 2020

Speeds80 said:

Pulyaman said:
You guys who apparently got screwed can stop rubbing your faces in the people complaining about their unfair match up. This was expected once Kabam announced the change. I am expecting everyone who is gloating now to come back after a couple of seasons to come back and complain that the matches are too hard.
The thing I can see is that even with earlier matching , we were not matched that different with respect to war rating. I am pretty sure, it is the same with higher prestige alliances(we are at 10k), so I don't know if everyone is expecting their rewards to improve magically from silver 1 to plat 1. You are still going to get matched with tough alliances, and you will still lose. All this for a very small number of alliances that made it into the platinum tiers. It was wrong, but suggesting that it was the only reason you guys were losing out on rewards is plainly stupid. After the war rating settles down, you are going to get matched with the same alliances as before, or even tougher ones consistently.
We played in tier 6-7 for the first 9 seasons, gold 1 sometimes gold 2 if we had a bad run, almost zero items, but ranking 5/65 korgs and things and investing in rankup materials to give us a shot at making plat. One alliance split (8 players left) Took a few weeks to recruit and settle screwed us into tier 11, we have been g3 and sil1 ever since, winning half our wars, b it never being able to progress because of the low prestige alliances in our tier, having cakewalk matches against noobs and uNorganised alliances, believe me we will be fine with tier 7 matchups again,
You have no idea because you haven’t bothered to read what’s actually been happening and how messed up war ratings are right now,

yeah its really bad when you look around t 12ish. i was there for a while. in 2 allies a 25mil and a 4mil.
strong allies are arm wrestling against stronger allies for a 50/50 win ratio not climbing or not dropping. my 25mil ally was fighting tough wars v other similar allies and not able to get out of t12 for a long time. we ended up jumping to a new ally cus we were sick of it.
meanwhile the weak allies are literally getting easy ride. My 4mil ally was getting every 2nd matchup against an ally that did not even place full bgs and never attacked with 10 people in each BG. this continued until we ot to t9 where we were then atleast fighting other decent 4mil allies. then the climb up started.

i can tell you the wars in the 4mil ally were easier even once we reached t7 then the wars were in while we were in t12 with the 25mil ally.
it was not a fiar situation. the stronger ally full of more experienced players fighting tougher wars using items for less rewards then the noobs who were only playin for a few months and never used items.

Sensei_Maat · July 2020

Skitard said:
Guess it's pointless to argue with them @GroundedWisdom... they don't agree with a bracketing reward system because they paid for all the upgrades they could get to increase their skills... only to find that skill wasn't included in the bundle... so they are all going to disagree with everything we say... since we didn't drop hundreds/thousands of dollars into the game, then we don't deserve to be rewarded for being able to win fights... but since they did they deserve tons of 5 and 6 star shards even if they lose every war...

For those of you who do agree with a bracketing system... kudos to you...

for those who don't... don't worry... kabam cares about you enough to reward you for your lack of skill...

a bracketing system is a great idea. but each bracket needs it own set of rewards.
you cant have everyone competing within their own brackets but then getting placed on the same leaderboard for the same rewards. where top of bracket 6 takes the high rewards that should rightfully belong to mid bracket 1.

i would be all for a bracketing system if the rewards matched the system.

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Speeds80 · July 2020

Skitard said:
Guess it's pointless to argue with them @GroundedWisdom... they don't agree with a bracketing reward system because they paid for all the upgrades they could get to increase their skills... only to find that skill wasn't included in the bundle... so they are all going to disagree with everything we say... since we didn't drop hundreds/thousands of dollars into the game, then we don't deserve to be rewarded for being able to win fights... but since they did they deserve tons of 5 and 6 star shards even if they lose every war...

For those of you who do agree with a bracketing system... kudos to you...

for those who don't... don't worry... kabam cares about you enough to reward you for your lack of skill...

I’ve competed every single event/boss rush in game since I had an r4 ds, spent about $20 in the last 3 years, you maybe better than me, in some fights but if it’s a war then my investment of time and effort is now being rewarded. There Are tiers, the Ignoring of them is what broke the system, I’ve been stuck in t12, I don’t belong there. You play against noob alliances that probably can’t place full defense half the time, you don’t deserve more rewards than me. You just think that you deserve the season rewards the broken system was giving to you Ahead of me, when my war team would destroy yours

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