Poll: Is blade underrated?

I personally believe that he's perfectly rated. Many claim that he's overrated, to the point that he's almost underrated.

Comments

mum_m2

no. blade is not over rated. I should have put he's rated perfectly fine exactly where he is. I think, now, in terms of the meta he has lost some of his spice, and thus now needs his signature ability to be considered top in class with Aegon, and Nick Fury. a Year ago, it wasn't even close.

and even if you compare blade to Nick Fury and Aegon right now, there's spots where I'll take Blade over both of them easily. Aegon is truly a long fight specialist. And NF is a high risk champion. Blade is a safe bet in comparable matchups. So yeah, he's right there.

Boostergoldrulz

Wasn't Blade released in 2017?

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doctorb

I notice that whenever I regenerate him, the enemy becomes ultra aggressive, attacking into my block / regen. Any advice on how to avoid this?

Remeli

Hes still top 3-4 skill champ but he’s not “in” anymore

lowlevelplayer

interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1yo_Ksq4oY

Lvernon15

no. blade is not over rated. I should have put he's rated perfectly fine exactly where he is. I think, now, in terms of the meta he has lost some of his spice, and thus now needs his signature ability to be considered top in class with Aegon, and Nick Fury. a Year ago, it wasn't even close.

and even if you compare blade to Nick Fury and Aegon right now, there's spots where I'll take Blade over both of them easily. Aegon is truly a long fight specialist. And NF is a high risk champion. Blade is a safe bet in comparable matchups. So yeah, he's right there.

Even with his sig he’s not even close to the top tier of skill, he’s on the lower end of the second tier behind stealthy

xNig

What I love about Blade the most is his control of the rhythm of combat.

Out of the first 1-2 parries/intercepts, there’s almost no need to parry to take chip damage (that he heals easily from) since you can keep opponents power bar above 1 easily with his easily accessible specials.

GAMEOVERJames

At least at this moment, Blade + Ghost Rider combination is still incredibly amazing for a wide range of fights. By having GR in the team, you could comfortably deal with not only Science and Cosmic Champs, but also other champs with #villain and #dimensional_being tags.

Besides that, the power of regeneration of both Blade and Ghost Rider is just the top of top in this game, which vastly improve champs’ survivability and mistakes-friendly.

Last but not least, Ghost rider could heal block + fate seal + power drain, and bleed-immune!

You could image how great the utilities you could have, by just having two champs in your team.

PS: I think the most terrible situation for them is to against non-villain and bleed-immure champs, like Iceman, Darkhawk and Guillotine 2099. So the third champ added in your team could be Corvus =]

Kapitz

He's still a great champ. I think the biggest thing hindering him nowadays is that to get the most out of him you need to take the full trinity along. Whilst Sparky and Ghost Rider (and I suppose Mephisto for non-villain Mystics) are still decent, there's now much better options in those classes that you'd often prefer to take questing - which means taking Blade is pretty big compromise.

Not to mention the whole Act 6 rarity thing meaning you need all those champs as 5/6 stars... Poor Blade was my first rank 4 and he's still there gathering dust as I've never managed to pull any of his synergy friends above 4 star ☹️

GAMEOVERJames

I notice that whenever I regenerate him, the enemy becomes ultra aggressive, attacking into my block / regen. Any advice on how to avoid this?

well-time block to trigger opponent’s bleeding, then gain your power till 2 power Bar——Launch your Sp2

arsjum

No he is not underrated. He is a good champ. Just not top 3 skill champ anymore. He is good but no longer the best at what he does.

Regen-there are now better
Bleed- there are now better
Mystic killer- there are now better

He is still a good option but not the best option anymore which is why he has fallen out of favor and not talked about as much.
I would argue that he still has the best regen in the game. He literally has the most convenient and easy-to-use regen in the game. Just go back and hold block and he'll start regenerating and it isn't a problem because you gain so much power from the bleeds on the opponent. He's a literal living health potion. Who do you think has better regen?
The potion store. Jokes aside, though, probably guillotine 2099 in longer fights. Maybe even morningstar.

It's probably a matter of preference, but if I think about my own current experience with act 6 exploration I don't see blocking as much of a viable strategy.

Can he outregen the block damage there? Then he's probably the best.

Full disclaimer: Guillotine 2099 is one of my two most favorite champions in the game (the other being Domino) and I have her in every star category from 2 to 6 and all are maxed! She is also solidly better than Blade overall in the current state of the game. But when it comes to regenerating health, she's not even in the same category. Blade regenerates way better. Watch this showcase by KT1 below. The video also shows some of the things I mentioned to you when we discussed relative merits of NT and Blade a while ago.

https://youtu.be/W1yo_Ksq4oY

arsjum

no. blade is not over rated. I should have put he's rated perfectly fine exactly where he is. I think, now, in terms of the meta he has lost some of his spice, and thus now needs his signature ability to be considered top in class with Aegon, and Nick Fury. a Year ago, it wasn't even close.

and even if you compare blade to Nick Fury and Aegon right now, there's spots where I'll take Blade over both of them easily. Aegon is truly a long fight specialist. And NF is a high risk champion. Blade is a safe bet in comparable matchups. So yeah, he's right there.
Even with his sig he’s not even close to the top tier of skill, he’s on the lower end of the second tier behind stealthy

I find it hilarious how some of you guys doing Map 7 with stacked rosters assume your point of view should be the only thing that matters when in reality you represent a relatively small part of the playerbase. When the needs of all players across the board and in all content in the game are considered, Blade is a way better and useful champion than Stealth Spidey is. What does Stealth has other than damage and slow? Sure, slow is extremely useful in endgame content but it is also relatively niche. You also have to be a super ninja using him because of his abysmal block proficiency. Blade is way more versatile a champion and is a living, breathing health-potion.

Ghostboytjie

Blade is A Wolverine
Blade is A Rogue
Blade is A Nick (xD)
Blade is A Mystic Killer
Blade is A AAR
Blade is A Underated
Blade is A Still Usefull.

(What do you think about my poem?)

Erosenseiog

I notice that whenever I regenerate him, the enemy becomes ultra aggressive, attacking into my block / regen. Any advice on how to avoid this?

Aggressive opponents are way more easier to handle imho.

Potatolegion

He's a great champion, but not as great as he used to be. His damage isn't great compared to other champions who have been released recently and his utility is slightly lacking.
Don't get me wrong, he is still great and worth ranking. He just isn't part of the meta anymore.

Bulmkt

Own him as a rank 2 5* and that’s where he’ll stay...

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arsjum

No he is not underrated. He is a good champ. Just not top 3 skill champ anymore. He is good but no longer the best at what he does.

Regen-there are now better
Bleed- there are now better
Mystic killer- there are now better

He is still a good option but not the best option anymore which is why he has fallen out of favor and not talked about as much.
I would argue that he still has the best regen in the game. He literally has the most convenient and easy-to-use regen in the game. Just go back and hold block and he'll start regenerating and it isn't a problem because you gain so much power from the bleeds on the opponent. He's a literal living health potion. Who do you think has better regen?
The potion store. Jokes aside, though, probably guillotine 2099 in longer fights. Maybe even morningstar.

It's probably a matter of preference, but if I think about my own current experience with act 6 exploration I don't see blocking as much of a viable strategy.

Can he outregen the block damage there? Then he's probably the best.
Full disclaimer: Guillotine 2099 is one of my two most favorite champions in the game (the other being Domino) and I have her in every star category from 2 to 6 and all are maxed! She is also solidly better than Blade overall in the current state of the game. But when it comes to regenerating health, she's not even in the same category. Blade regenerates way better. Watch this showcase by KT1 below. The video also shows some of the things I mentioned to you when we discussed relative merits of NT and Blade a while ago.

https://youtu.be/W1yo_Ksq4oY
I only had time to watch about half the video right now, but that's not impressive at all lol.

I mean come on. That footlose lane with blade. Come one. He's literally making blade out to be a niche albeit non perfect counter to this, while this could genuinely be done with any champ lol. Parrying and waiting out the evade/unstoppable isn't exclusive to him.

The juggernaut fight was also really embarassing. The aar stopped almost nothing lol.

So yeah. Not convinced.

You are not approaching it with an open mind at all. KT1 by the way shares your opinion of NT and ranks him higher than Blade but he was able to present an objective evaluation if Blade.

I specifically replied to your comment about Blade's regenerating capabilities. Your own words: "Can he outregen the block damage there? Then he's probably the best." The video by KT1 demonstrates exactly that. And now instead of admitting it you are shifting the topic by commenting on his limited AAR against Juggernaut. The point is not AAR always stops Jug's unstoppable but the fact that Blade finishes the fight with 70% easily and then goes on to do the same in the next fight and in the next fight, and so on.

Did you miss how he used Blade against Electro and HT on thorns node? Name another champion who can outregen that kind of damage.

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arsjum

No he is not underrated. He is a good champ. Just not top 3 skill champ anymore. He is good but no longer the best at what he does.

Regen-there are now better
Bleed- there are now better
Mystic killer- there are now better

He is still a good option but not the best option anymore which is why he has fallen out of favor and not talked about as much.
I would argue that he still has the best regen in the game. He literally has the most convenient and easy-to-use regen in the game. Just go back and hold block and he'll start regenerating and it isn't a problem because you gain so much power from the bleeds on the opponent. He's a literal living health potion. Who do you think has better regen?
The potion store. Jokes aside, though, probably guillotine 2099 in longer fights. Maybe even morningstar.

It's probably a matter of preference, but if I think about my own current experience with act 6 exploration I don't see blocking as much of a viable strategy.

Can he outregen the block damage there? Then he's probably the best.
Full disclaimer: Guillotine 2099 is one of my two most favorite champions in the game (the other being Domino) and I have her in every star category from 2 to 6 and all are maxed! She is also solidly better than Blade overall in the current state of the game. But when it comes to regenerating health, she's not even in the same category. Blade regenerates way better. Watch this showcase by KT1 below. The video also shows some of the things I mentioned to you when we discussed relative merits of NT and Blade a while ago.

https://youtu.be/W1yo_Ksq4oY
I only had time to watch about half the video right now, but that's not impressive at all lol.

I mean come on. That footlose lane with blade. Come one. He's literally making blade out to be a niche albeit non perfect counter to this, while this could genuinely be done with any champ lol. Parrying and waiting out the evade/unstoppable isn't exclusive to him.

The juggernaut fight was also really embarassing. The aar stopped almost nothing lol.

So yeah. Not convinced.
You are not approaching it with an open mind at all. KT1 by the way shares your opinion of NT and ranks him higher than Blade but he was able to present an objective evaluation if Blade.

I specifically replied to your comment about Blade's regenerating capabilities. Your own words: "Can he outregen the block damage there? Then he's probably the best." The video by KT1 demonstrates exactly that. And now instead of admitting it you are shifting the topic by commenting on his limited AAR against Juggernaut. The point is not AAR always stops Jug's unstoppable but the fact that Blade finishes the fight with 70% easily and then goes on to do the same in the next fight and in the next fight, and so on.

Did you miss how he used Blade against Electro and HT on thorns node? Name another champion who can outregen that kind of damage.
Okay first of all as I said I only watched about half the video. What I saw there had nothing to do with outregening the block damage. He barely took any blocked hits outside of parries, simply because kt1 is very very skilled.

Second of all, again, I only watched half the video, so I didn't see that lol. I'll certainly watch it fully later today, though. So I'll definitely give a more founded and deep reply then, no worries.

As to your request. Honestly? I'd simply use someone who can just bypass the damage instead of using someone with regeneration. There are many champs that can bypass thorns mechanics. In fact, I know you won't like to hear that, I really like to use thrasher on thorns nodes. His disorient plus a parry-heavy playstyle (with 3/3 pacify of course) gives him enough daar to deal with that without needing any regen.

I never really saw much of a point in regen anyways.

And why would I not like to hear it? If you or anyone demonstrates the viability of NT in those fights, by all means. I'll gladly give credit where credit is due.

I wish you could've watched the whole thing with an impartial attitude before jumping into commenting on it with a dismissive tone.

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arsjum

No he is not underrated. He is a good champ. Just not top 3 skill champ anymore. He is good but no longer the best at what he does.

Regen-there are now better
Bleed- there are now better
Mystic killer- there are now better

He is still a good option but not the best option anymore which is why he has fallen out of favor and not talked about as much.
I would argue that he still has the best regen in the game. He literally has the most convenient and easy-to-use regen in the game. Just go back and hold block and he'll start regenerating and it isn't a problem because you gain so much power from the bleeds on the opponent. He's a literal living health potion. Who do you think has better regen?
The potion store. Jokes aside, though, probably guillotine 2099 in longer fights. Maybe even morningstar.

It's probably a matter of preference, but if I think about my own current experience with act 6 exploration I don't see blocking as much of a viable strategy.

Can he outregen the block damage there? Then he's probably the best.
Full disclaimer: Guillotine 2099 is one of my two most favorite champions in the game (the other being Domino) and I have her in every star category from 2 to 6 and all are maxed! She is also solidly better than Blade overall in the current state of the game. But when it comes to regenerating health, she's not even in the same category. Blade regenerates way better. Watch this showcase by KT1 below. The video also shows some of the things I mentioned to you when we discussed relative merits of NT and Blade a while ago.

https://youtu.be/W1yo_Ksq4oY
I only had time to watch about half the video right now, but that's not impressive at all lol.

I mean come on. That footlose lane with blade. Come one. He's literally making blade out to be a niche albeit non perfect counter to this, while this could genuinely be done with any champ lol. Parrying and waiting out the evade/unstoppable isn't exclusive to him.

The juggernaut fight was also really embarassing. The aar stopped almost nothing lol.

So yeah. Not convinced.
You are not approaching it with an open mind at all. KT1 by the way shares your opinion of NT and ranks him higher than Blade but he was able to present an objective evaluation if Blade.

I specifically replied to your comment about Blade's regenerating capabilities. Your own words: "Can he outregen the block damage there? Then he's probably the best." The video by KT1 demonstrates exactly that. And now instead of admitting it you are shifting the topic by commenting on his limited AAR against Juggernaut. The point is not AAR always stops Jug's unstoppable but the fact that Blade finishes the fight with 70% easily and then goes on to do the same in the next fight and in the next fight, and so on.

Did you miss how he used Blade against Electro and HT on thorns node? Name another champion who can outregen that kind of damage.
Okay first of all as I said I only watched about half the video. What I saw there had nothing to do with outregening the block damage. He barely took any blocked hits outside of parries, simply because kt1 is very very skilled.

Second of all, again, I only watched half the video, so I didn't see that lol. I'll certainly watch it fully later today, though. So I'll definitely give a more founded and deep reply then, no worries.

As to your request. Honestly? I'd simply use someone who can just bypass the damage instead of using someone with regeneration. There are many champs that can bypass thorns mechanics. In fact, I know you won't like to hear that, I really like to use thrasher on thorns nodes. His disorient plus a parry-heavy playstyle (with 3/3 pacify of course) gives him enough daar to deal with that without needing any regen.

I never really saw much of a point in regen anyways.
And why would I not like to hear it? If you or anyone demonstrates the viability of NT in those fights, by all means. I'll gladly give credit where credit is due.

I wish you could've watched the whole thing with an impartial attitude before jumping into commenting on it with a dismissive tone.
I mean, I already know how blade works. Seeing the video open with stuff like trying to show blade's value against a node like footlose or seeing how unreliable his aar actually is against a tenacity juggernaut did not really get me into an impartial mood considering how that was apparently supposed to showcase his value lol.

As to NT vs thorns nodes, with pacify you can easily play him in a way that you have a whopping 80% daar during all your attacks. Such a matchup is also a great way of showcasing his sp3. The 75% increase in debuff duration would even help to handle an additional limber node on top of the thorns. Stun immunity would be bad for him, but then again I would probably use someone who actually bypasses thorns over either of them anyways, so there's that.

Generally though not/rarely getting thorns damage > being able to regen the thorns damage, but that's just me.

I don't have both at a comparable rank. Maybe as 4* champs. I'll take a look, maybe rank the 4* versions and then I'll compare them directly.

And please don't simply imply that I'm biased. My view of NT being superior to blade is purely based on what they're capable of on paper. Personal attachment isn't a factor.

You admit that watching the beginning of the fight didn’t get you “into an impartial mood” and ask me not to imply you are biased.

) Ok, my friend!

You know how Blade works but you don’t know it well enough to suggest G2099 “probably” has better regen than him. No, she doesn’t and it’s not even close (which, of course, doesn’t change my view than G2099 overall is a superior champion).

Saying it easy. Demonstrating it is another thing. Take your NT against the path KT cleared and let’s see how it goes. If he does well, full credit. You can take the best counters but what if you don’t have them? Quake works best but you have to be a master of Quake and Shake. Namor works excellently too but consider this. I have 153 5* champions and still don’t have a 5* or 6* Namor, let alone on sig 200 which you are gonna need for the path.

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arsjum

@UmbertoDelRio, still a lot of theorycrafting and hypotheticals from you but little to no substance. Looking forward to your actual showcase.

Having said that, I understand that we all have lives. If you do, great. If you don't have time or the desire, no big deal.

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arsjum

@UmbertoDelRio, still a lot of theorycrafting and hypotheticals from you but little to no substance. Looking forward to your actual showcase.

Having said that, I understand that we all have lives. If you do, great. If you don't have time or the desire, no big deal.
I'll definitely tag you, I just don't want to keep you waiting an undefined amount of time lol.

All I did so far was sharing some unedited gameplay footage on reddit, so I can't say when I can get around to such a project and how long it would take me to do it. Most likely sometime next month, since I'm close to moving as well as studying for exams currently.

This being about a redundant online argument however will probably motivate me to do it sooner rather than later lol.

Sounds good to me. We butted heads a few times over this and other issues but I see these as friendly disagreements. My disagreements with you don't change the fact that you are one of my favorite commentators in the forum. That's not an exaggeration.

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