Matchmaking Discussion [Merged Threads]

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The problem is the 12 year olds were stuck in grade 2, getting grade 2 rewards, trying hard To pass their 12yo exams to progress to grade 3, while the 7 year old in grade 2 with them were able to sit 7 year olds exams and if they did well they could progress to grade 9, And get grade 9 rewards, While only sitting exams made for 7 year olds, now the seven year olds are getting grade 9 exams because they’ve been in grade 9 passing with honours with their grade 2 level tests, and guess what the grade 9 exams are way harder than they realised, and now they want to stay in grade 9, even though they are only seven years old , because Grade 9 has great rewards

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Speeds80

We are not fighting fairness. We are fighting against unfairness, you are just looking at the 7 year olds saying but they were doing so well in grade 9, why do they have to sit grade 9 exams now

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LeNoirFaineant

Since the system was prioritizing similar prestige lower groups would keep matching other lower groups even though they were advance well past their matchups in the tiers.

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LeNoirFaineant

You keep posting things like this. For the most part, people are just happy that matchmaking is being fixed. I don't see a whole lot of gloating or glee over beating smaller alliances. Our first two matches were very lopsided in our favor. We commiserated with them. The third war was more reasonable and they cleared the map. I expect the next will be much closer to even, and then probably even after that. 3-5 wars was my guess at the beginning. I'm not sure that warrants 54 pages of you being outraged for the Predicament of the Little Guy and making all kinds of fallacious arguments on their behalf.

QuikPik

For those that are arguing about skill; I've seen first hand the skill level difference between a higher prestige and a lower prestige alliance. I've seen a lesser skilled alliance lose their R4 Colossus to an R4 AA on a nothing node. Colossus on auto-fight can almost beat that AA. People losing their R4 CG to Iceman; that is literally a match completely in CG's favor unless you can't avoid his sp1 or sp2 but oh wait that may be due to something I can't place my finger on it. Other trash champs that are taking out R4 attackers in section 1; Rocket, DPX, Electro, CAIW, YJ. If all of these smaller alliances claim to be skilled they would be able to beat these R4 not particularly hard defenders in section 1.

I realize a higher prestige alliance is going to place tougher defenders but most of the diversity trash is placed in section 1.

My guess is they are used to steam rolling R5 4* defense that is randomly thrown on the map.

GroundedWisdom

You continually address what I say, but you don't really understand what I'm saying. Monopoly is exactly the appropriate word for what's taking place. Certain Alliances think they own spots in the Brackets and it's their responsibility and right to control who can place in them. Revenge would be what's taking place. Under the old system, a few Alliances worked their way up, and now the M.O. is to get back at them for it. "Put them in their place."
Having acknowledged the Rewards issue several times, your synopsis is incorrect. People continually say that I'm arguing for lower Alliances to earn above their pay grade, and that means either people aren't reading my words, or just don't care to. I'm talking about what legitimately took place. They earned them. No amount of butthurt can argue with the fact that they earned the Rewards they did. That's a fact. They didn't cheat the system, they didn't jump men like a game of Snakes and Ladders, they played their Wars and won. There's a reason no one is even discussing taking the Rewards they earned. They fought, they earned them. What we have here is an unfair situation that allegedly is supposed to resolve an unfair situation, but everyone got what they got by their own doing. The only difference is, the higher Alliances expect lower ones to pay for it by these Matches that are rendering the entire Season invalid because Matches that are grossly overpowered are not a measure of skill. No matter how much we keep debating what took place, it doesn't justify what they're facing.

CaptainGame

Monopoly doesn’t apply. They have stronger better champs that they worked to get. If you wanna get ahead of them in the ranks then you are gonna have to do the same thing. Stop insulting everybody for being better than you.

GroundedWisdom

Who's talking about me? I'm not in any of the Alliances in question. You just displayed why monopoly applies. "This is our territory. We earned it. We own it. How dare they come on our turf?"

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Eaj222

It's all pretty simple then.... Now they get to be matched in their wars in the new improved shiny updated system, play them.... Then let the chips fall where they may.

They haven't exploited anything previously as much as they aren't getting screwed now. You work within the system that's available....at least that's how I've interpreted the same explanation I've been reading for the last 50 pages.

Agent_X_zzz

The lower level alliances got their rewards by getting easy matchups with little competition and to get rewards they shouldn't have gotten, they didn't fight the 30mil+ alliances that are trapped due to flawed matchmaking and stuck in S1/G3 while these little alliances are getting G1/P4 rewards that they shouldn't be getting, they basically got a bye to get around these big alliances that would crush them, if they got them fairly then they these little alliances should have no problem beating the S1 30mil rated alliances, yet they don't meaning they don't belong where they are. I have said it many times but you won't address it, noname placed masters because they fought P2/P3 alliances for master level rewards. Is that fair to you? Getting easier matches and better rewards than they deserve?

GroundedWisdom

Disagree with that. What's the point of having Wars if you're going to take the element of Attack out of the equation? That's exactly what's happening to them.

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DNA3000

The one good I hope comes out of all of this is that next time, when people start claiming that they "deserve" to have all of their matches be with alliances of equal prestige or alliance rating, even if war rating is identical, the rest of the player community won't be as quick to indulge them.

I put a lot of effort into trying to quash silly crystal odds conspiracy myths back in the day. Probably put hundreds of hours into analyzing live streamed crystal openings and performing statistical analysis on a wide range of crystals. But if I'm being honest, what turned the tide on those becoming marginalized was not people like me arguing against them, but rather the people who were arguing in favor of those conspiracy myths. At some point, no one wanted to be on their side.

Agent_X_zzz

You just can't simply accept the fact that what is going on is good for the game, kabam said and I quote "at the end of the season will determine where alliances belong." You need to realize this is what is right for the game.

GroundedWisdom

This is not the same as a conspiracy theory. This is flat-out ruining their chance to even win, and that affects their Season. You can argue that the Rewards were broken, but you can't argue that this is something that should take place. Not in this way. Just like there are customers at the top, these are also customers who are being told their effort is worth throwing away because they didn't deserve the Wins they won. Tell me, what happens when you alienate people? They walk away.

GroundedWisdom

Alright. Kabam says they're going to discount half your Wars this Season for the betterment of the game. What's your reaction?

Worknprogress

Scrap the season, join and take the losses until matches equal out, then work on game content without my champs tied up in war until matches make sense again. Insanely easy

Eaj222

I'm confused... How is the element of attack being removed? The "problem" for many is that the element of defense is exponentially increasing in difficulty. That's the complaint right? I mean, that's what any good alliance intends to do to win. I mean, I don't stress over what nodes to drop each specific chosen defender on because I'm hoping for a fair fight.

Worknprogress

You still get participation loyalty, you still get season rewards, you still get everything except the headache of trying to swim upstream. The only thing is you refuse to acknowledge that as not only a fair but completely reasonable response

Agent_X_zzz

That makes no sense whatsoever, no ones wars are being discounted. If they can't beat an alliance of the same rating they don't deserve to be there.

Agent_X_zzz

Its not unfair same rating both in Gold 2 no problem at all

Agent_X_zzz

Kabam says they are going to take you off their payroll, what is your reaction?

-sixate-

I completely agree, it is a joke. We got kills from 6* R1 Vulture and Loki on nothing nodes in the first section. We literally couldn't believe it. First 3 wars and our defense didn't get taken out 100% by alliances with higher war rating and they finished way higher than us the previous season. This whole smaller more skilled argument just needs to stop. Only people who lack skill brag about how great they are. I just let my performace do the talking.

And another comparison. My R5 sig 200 Warlock got 11 kills on the boss node with Flow and was still standing at the end of the last war. When we face skilled alliances I'm lucky to get 1 kill out of him.

xNig

How are they discounting half the wars?

Lower alliances still have a chance of taking the boss and the majority of the points. If they can’t take down 3 lanes (arguably even just 1 lane), the minis and the boss with 10 guys, guess what, they shouldn’t be in that tier (or even 3 tiers lower) in the first place.

It’s a fair matchup by ALL means. If they’re really as skilled as you and they themselves claim to be, show it by taking down the defenders placed with fewer deaths. If they can’t, then it’s really their problem, not Kabam’s, nor the matchmaking.

Like you said here,

“They haven't exploited anything. They Matched their Wars and played them. They don't owe anyone any kind of unfair loss as retribution.”

They matched their wars and played them. So play them.

GroundedWisdom

Removing the element of Attack because these opponents are 3 and 4 times greater in some cases. Which means it's over before they even play it.

DNA3000

Yes I can, and yes I did. No one is telling customers what you claim they are being told, and anyone who thinks that is what they are being told is someone I probably can't help, and won't go out of my way to help at the expense of the rest of the game.