**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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I don't really want to get too deep into it on another Thread, but as it stands now, it is not a measure of strength. Not even with a few Wars already fought. It will take time. What I keep pointing out is things are out of whack and for people on the losing end, it's an unfair process to go through because their Wars are well beyond their capabilities. People may be able to argue they think it has to be this way, and they may be able to argue the system will settle in time, but the argument that the Matches are fair because the War Rating is even is not correct. Not at this moment in time. In fact, we all knew this was going to happen. Saying it is now, is just trite.
Therefore no issue.
If the majority of the community is happy with something it is the right thing to do.
I guess where we truly diverge is on the point of fairness. There exists a set of rules for.matchmaking that the system uses to set up matches. The system plays no favorites and matches according to a given set of parameters. Each alliance plays under the same set of rules. And each alliance has a chance to reach #1. Maybe not today and maybe it will take a while but they have a chance. That's all I or any other alliance can really ask for. The rest is up to the individual alliance. In my book, that's fair.
I'm still hoping to roll over an alliance or two, but so far matches have not been lopsided and there's been a slow climb to the previously unattainable tier. I have sympathy for an alliance headed in the opposite direction as losing isn't fun. Would they have sympathy for me not collecting higher tier rewards for any number of seasons....what I'm hearing here is no, they would not.
He that will not be named is most sour about his fall. That does make me feel better about all the other times he's felt the need to try to piss in my cereal. I'll be back to watch the show. Might even go look for a few examples of when he rubbed someone else's nose in his previous tier rating.
That being said, it is what it is. I know the season is ruined for some alliances, but like all things in life, move on. I am seeing multiple threads of same people arguing with the same person. Unless you are in master bracket, AW rewards are not significant to the account progression at this time. As many have said, previous matchmaking allowed for smaller alliances to claim bigger rewards than they would have got if the matchmaking was purely based on war rating. 1 season does not determine your account. As someone who has not played multiple seasons, I can attest to that.
Fairness is not about playing favorites for me, and it's really not as abstract as people have been questioning. It has to do with the two extremes. People went from having Matches that were within range or their size to very far from it. That's not a transition that skill can accommodate that quickly. The system is matching based on where the War Ratings are now, and they're so far from what people have been working on over the last while that they have no choice but to lose. Because of the extremes, that's not fair. In terms of War Rating alone, had they worked their way up and fought stronger and stronger Alliances until eventually reaching their limit, that would be fair to me. Only that's not what happened, and having it artificially imposed abruptly without allowing those Alliances the opportunity to do so and grow along the way creates an unfair situation. There's no real transition into it, or bridging of the two systems. Just collide, fall, repeat, and wait for the system to balance itself. Fairness is very simple for me. Matches that are appropriate to where Alliances are at. We don't have that. We have Matches that are appropriate to a system that existed 10 Seasons ago, or however long it's been, and a great deal of limbo. It's going to take more than a couple weeks for the system to get there, and fair won't be a thing until this is over. In the meantime, the Alliances affected are swimming upstream in rapids, which means their Seasons aren't even true measures of their performance. I mean sure, they'll go down. They won't be earning what they deserve this Season. Perhaps not even next. There could have been a more fair approach than Yahzee. That's just how I feel.
alliances getting these "unfair" matches now are sitting higher then they shuld be due to seasons of an unfair system that benefited them.
i wouldn't say one season of bad matchups is unfair to these allies, as they have had many seasons where they have had an unfair advantage.
unfair positive for 10+ seasons,
unfair negative for 1 season.
you're right it is unfair, but still overall favors them.
the extra rewards earnt for the last 10+ seasons is much much greater then what they will lose from this season.
it all balances out to be somewhat fair. stop looking at it as a per war basis, look at it from the season standpoint. the WR system is changed to create balance and fairness in the end of season results as thats where the big rewards are.
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then proceeds to comment time after time after time....
i think you need to change your vote to a yes or no.....
cus clearly no comment is not true or accurate.....
It's going to level out and in the grand scheme of things your accounts will still have profited from the mistakes. You just don't like that you have to deal with tough matches for a short time. Get over it.
We haven't had easy wars as we have been going against alliances the same level as us or slightly higher, however this one is a major mismatch.
Here is a simple way to explain it for people who seems lost by the logic..
Liverpool just won the premier leagues (division 1) they have 93 points and played premier league opposition all season.
Leeds just won championship (Division 2) they have 90 points, playing d2 opposition all season.
Under they logic some people are suggesting it would be fair for Leeds to be awarded 2nd place in the premier league and all the huge rewards that come with it. Cause they have 90 points.
Now I appreciate Kabam has not introduced divisions, but they effectively did allowing small ally to only match other small ally and yet claim huge rewards.
Now everyone will find rightful place with their war rating and get βfairβ rewards for their performance. This correction is coming at some Pain to those who mainly perceive there ability to be better that it is, created by bais matches for so long.
For now, the matchmaking makes no sense at all.
We are a 13M ally, ended silver 1 last season and I guess we were placed pretty correctly.
This season we won one war so far, against an ally similar to ours.
The other wars were against Ally's 25 to 40M.
So for us, it's crappy at the moment.
I know of other alliances, half or less of our strength who are fighting empty wars back to back. Not really fair I guess.
As the season evolves, I hope and think everything will balance out and the matchmaking will make more sense.
Battling against alliances with approximately the same war rating will be more logical.
So, in conclusion, for now it doesn't make sense, in the long run, it will balance out and most alliances will end up where they belong.
I just hope it's not going to take more than one season.
those that were higher than their skill are going down.
those that were lower than their skill are going up.
~33% alliances staying in similar position
~33% alliances going up
~33% of alliances going down.
just think bout it. its pure numbers, maths and statistics.
if one alliance falls another must climb.
I commented that alliance rating can be manipulated by big accounts selling champs.
I understand that having a war against a more powerful alliance can suck but from your picture it looks as though war rating is even. This season is leveling out where alliances should place and unfortunately some alliances will get the shaft in some wars.
It also sounds like you don't do 3 bg wars which have always been tough to match as 1 alliance could have low members get their 5 wars in by losing intentionally to lower rating then giving the bigger members easy war wins to boost their season points