Cap IW, stopping the unstoppable (sometimes?)

I have noticed that Captain America Infinity War does not stop Sasquatch when he is unstoppable.

What gives?

It is impossible to know under what conditions Cap should be able to stop the unstoppable.

Please clarify.

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Char

Sasquatch has passive unstoppable. Cap IW is only able to nullify Unstoppable Buffs.

Mitriax

He will purify active unstoppable buffs. Sasquatch's unstoppable buff is passive, therefore CAP cannot purify it

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Eb0ny-O-M4w

It's completely possible to know. You just need to read both champion's abilities and understand how they work.

Cap IW nullifies unstoppable buffs.
Sasquatch doesn't trigger any unstoppable buff, but rather a passive unstoppable.

Cap IW can't nullify it due to not being a buff

DaddyRules

Thanks for the feedback. I suppose that there is no other way to know this other than to be in the “know”.
I don’t like it. If a champ can stop unstoppable, it should just work. Regardless if Passive or buff.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

A champion can do what is described on their abilities. This case is not different, and is really well described there.
Also, the format and border of the icons under the HP bar will tell you if something is active or passive. White border means active (buffs and debuffs), and no border means passive

Aburaees

And the plot thickens when fighting Thing and Annihilus, both of whom have unstoppable buffs...

Thing is immune to nullify.
And Annihilus’s rod acts as sacrificial protection.

But it’s all there in the ability descriptions.

Lormif

If by "in the know", you mean read their abilites..

This is what CAIW says
100% chance to Nullify Unstoppable Buffs on hit.

This is what bigfoot says:

During Wrath of Tanaraq Sasquatch becomes Passively Unstoppable during Special and Heavy Attacks and the Opponent’s Defensive Combat Power Rate is reduced by 70% when struck by these Attacks.

Your logic is not sound, he cannot nullify unstoppable, only unstoppable buffs.

Agent_X_zzz

cap IW which having kinetic charges nullify s all active unstoppables, Sasquatches, korg are passive. Also champs like thing are immune to nullify

Agent_X_zzz

thats not true, it states in his ability that he nullifys unstoppable buffs not passives.

Thicco_Mode

he can stop unstoppable. unstoppablebuffs. you can easily tell what is a buff or passive effect by looking at the border

Mercury79

Somehow this apply to void too...he has also buff of slowdown...it didn't work against unstoppable..

Lormif

he does not have a slow debuff. he has an agility, a fatigue and a petrify. they have similar icons, but not the same.

Kill_Grey

Agility debuff reduces the opponent's chance to evade by 30% each. Completely different from slow.

KattohS

Your opening a can of worms bro. It’s working as designed.

I remember this being a big discussion on the forums a few event quests back after he came into the game. They immediately brought in a champ In the next event quest where he could not stop the “unstoppable”.

But don’t worry they will soon invent a champion who does.

Lvernon15

Any nullify only affects actives, and you can tell something is passive because it doesn’t have the solid white circle around it

Magrailothos

@DaddyRules
On the whole, the purpose of something being Passive is precisely so that it isn't subject to external influence.

So you can't shrug passives
You can't nullify passives
You can't extend or reduce their duration with champs like Rogue.
You can't remove Passive armour with Armour Break*
* unless the champ's design specifically says so, like KM and IMIW. But try it with Civil Warrior...

Oddly, the only exception to this (so far) is that Passive Unstoppable can be removed by She-Hulk's Heavy attack.

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SiriusBreak

Actually, there's a few who can put a stop to Passive Unstoppable via the Slow Debuff.

- Spider-Man (Stealth Suit) : Using the Web-Foam Cartridge he can apply Slow Debuff
- Spider-Gwen : Via her heavy attack she can apply a Slow Debuff
- Sorcerer Supreme : Using Runes of Ikonn, she can apply a Slow Debuff
- She-Hulk (as previously mentioned above) : Via her heavy attack can apply Slow Debuff
- Red Guardian : Via Special 1 can apply a Slow Debuff and can refresh it via Heavy attack once applied

I think that about rounds out the list of champs that (currently) can handle Passive Unstoppable. Again, as previously mentioned like any Passive, be it Unstoppable, Fury, Cruelty, Armor, etc they cannot be Nullified. Thing is an odd exception as his Unstoppable isn't Passive, but he himself is Nullify Immune, and thus requires a Slow Debuff to shutdown his Unstoppable. CAIW's ability to Nullify Unstoppable when Kinetically Charged is a grand thing, but always good to be aware of what kind of abilities you're up against. There's a lot of little details that can potentially counter your planned counter.

Magrailothos

I don't think you're actually right. Can you provide some evidence? (Oh, and you missed Storm-X...)

You've missed a subtle point: I wasn't making a list of champs who can apply a Slow debuff. In fact I didn't even mention She-Hulk's Slow debuff.

A Slow debuff (whilst active) can prevent an Unstoppable passive or buff from activating in the first place (doing this via AAR). What they can't do is remove an Unstoppable Passive that's already activated.

She-Hulk's Heavy Attack itself has the ability to remove an Unstoppable passive that's already in effect. That's what's unique about it.

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spaceoctopus

The line has really been blurred between passive and active.

My understanding was active buffs were (in a sense) a result of a power, whereas passive are just part of who the character is.

For example, armor up buffs are a result of a characters specific power pertaining to creating armor, but a passive armor buff would be like colossus, who is literally made of armor and therefore shouldn’t be able to be nullified.

How Sasquatch could passively be unstoppable doesn’t really make sense. If anyone should be passively unstoppable, it should be the unstoppable Juggernaut, but even that is the result of his power.

We of course can read the character’s profile to make sense of it all, but they seem to bending their own rules (again).

Magrailothos

That would be a nice explanation, but I'm afraid it just isn't the case.

To instantly disprove your explanation: Iron Man Infinity War generates Armour passives, whilst Colossus generates buffs.
Colossus's buffs can be nullified, IMIW's can't.

To further confuse this example:
Colossus has immunity to armour break (vs non-tech opponents)
IMIW has a specific vulnerability to Armour Break, in that it removes stacks of his Passive armour.

Compare those two champs to the oft-derided Civil Warrior: He generates Armour buffs, which can be either broken or nullified. He can also fuse those buffs into Armour Passives, which can be neither broken nor Nullified. Once he's generated those, they're genuinely permanent.

So Passive vs Active isn't about where the ability comes from; it's just about how external forces interact with that ability.

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Sensei_Maat

its actually quite easy.
champion descriptions state things like active ability of buffs / debuffs.
if you read the abilities of champs you can see if the either have buffs or passives and you can see if their abilities affect buffs or passives.
buffs can be nullified and staggered, passives can not be.

buffs and debuffs are easily visualized in game by having a white circle around the icon
passives abilities are visualized by a solid coloured icon.

but yeah read the champs abilities and you will see things like CapIW says "nullify unstoppable buffs" therefore he will only work on buffs not passives.
if the word buff is used it is only or affects only abilities shown with a white circle around them.

so yeah CapIW will always stop the unstoppable provided he is kinetically charged and the unstoppable is a buff.
if either of these conditions is untrue he cannot stop the unstoppable as he requires the charge to do so and only buffs an be nullified.