Is havok top 5 mutant?

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Kill_Grey

@Rockypantherx we meet again, lol

Well I’ve got to be here to annoy people by bashing Havok.

Erza_Scarlet

Omega, Colossus and AA are the top three mutants in the game right now without question. The rest is purely subjective and based on the matchups...

The_enlightened

Definitely top 31 of mutants

Imran

U just copy paste seatin opinion here, I respect him. But everyone top 5 will be different.

Magrailothos

Interesting discussion - I think the take-home message in the mutant class is "It's tight at the top".

SpideyFunko

what are these lists?

1. Deadpool X-Force
2. Cyclops Blue
3. Cyclops Red
4. Magento
5. Magento Marvel Now
6. Gambit
7. Storm
8. Cable
9. Beast
10. Nightcrawler

Havok doesn’t come close

Qfury

I personally don't like havok. Hate his play style. And guess who I have as a 6*

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TimeGenesis

Depends..suicides or no suicides?
Awakened / unawakened?

Unawakened without a shadow of a doubt he is.

When it comes to awakened, its a tad bit more difficult as mutant class has such a good amount of great champs

For me.personally without suicides (no particular order)
Domino, Namor, Colossus, Havok, AA

With Suicides
Domino, Namor, Omega Red, Colossus, Iceman

My personal top 10
Domino, Namor, OR, Colossus, Iceman (with suicides), Emma Frost, Havok, Sunspot, Rogue

SpideyFunko

but that’s what everyone’s saying about champs like Kamala and Pyramid X.

Also, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. I don’t like Havok, but you might.

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SwarmOfRavens

A lot of people have the misconception that havok is slow. If he's at a decent Sig one sp1 is enough to set you up to start melting with feedback.
I usually have wasp synergy on my team so I don't even bother with the sp1, if the match doesn't end in a sp3 I can cycle another one even faster.

He's pretty overkill for most fights below 6.2

Kill_Grey

Lol, whoever says havok is mediocre hasn't seen him against variant 4 electro

I do know how to use Havok. God knows I’ve watched every video I can to squeeze something somewhat impressive out of him. And I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. And he’s definitely not beating winter soldier in 40 hits. 1 min 20s is accurate though.

His energy resistance is the only use I’ve gotten out of him. His non contact mediums are nice, but honestly, outside of thorns and korg it doesn’t do much. If it was like Omega’s and negated passive damage like Magik’s limbo, then yeah, I would value him a lot higher. Incinerate immunity is nice, but it’s possibly the least useful immunity outside of coldsnap immunity. You didn’t even mention he can negate healing with Despair, which is a big portion of his utility. But there are a lot of better options for that and you need to trade it on for your damage on the SP3

I’m not saying Havok’s a bad champion, but god, I would take most mutants over him

And yeah, feedback damage is nice. But there are a lot of matchups where getting that off is going to be difficult. Any debuff immune matchup will shut it down, shrug off, energy resistance, hell, even stun immune or limber is going to make it more difficult.

Havok takes a long time to ramp up but you put Namor higher than him? Like... what? And Namor has only one piece of utility compared to Havok's several. And yes, we know that going for Sp3's is better for Storm than trying to get Sp2 crits with that god-awful crit rate. But she's still way too squishy and has much less utility than Havok. And Emma has some solid utility and decent damage, but you can't have all the utility at once which is a problem honestly. If you need the immunities, you'll still take damage in telepath form and if you need the evade counter, they're still going to evade in diamond form. And the damage isn't nearly as good as other Mutants. She's still top 8 in my opinion, but she's just not quite as good as others.

My personal list has changed a bit after doing more research on uses in late content, so here it is:
Omega Red
Colossus
Archangel
Sunspot
Havok
Namor
Domino
Sabretooth
Storm (Pyramid X)
Iceman

Sabretooth is higher than he used to be thanks to Sasquatch making him more valuable for Endgame content and I've adopted the @Lvernon15 ideology of Domino not being up there with top Mutants in Endgame content after doing some research. I've decided not to include Weapon X in this list and even if I did, he wouldn't be as high as some people put him. Probably below Sabretooth and Storm. His playstyle really isn't practical for most situations.

Namor makes higher because his utility from his sig allows him to cover so much ground. It’s not perfect, but there are a lot of little bits of utility tapped into that sig that I think it’s more valuable than Havok combined. And I agree, Namor has a slower ramp up. There’s not much between Namor, Sunspot and Havok, but I still stand by that order

And Storm actually doesn’t have less utility than Havok. She also has in built energy resistance, two immunities, one of which is actually better than a solid immunity, can counter evade, place shocks for Thunderstruck nodes (although that is niche I’ll grant you), and she has energy attacks which allow her to bypass certain mechanics like Korg’s thorns, similarly to Havok. And I compared their damage output at the same star and rank and Havok edged it out by about 5 secs, which is basically nothing. She’s squishy but the random stubs can allow you to push opponents past power thresholds more easily, meaning you have to take less blocked hits

As for Emma, if you’re playing her right, she stays in diamond form the entire fight so you always have your immunities Her evade counter can easily accessed and maintained if you stay at 3 bars of power. You’ll lose a large portion of damage but it’s still very serviceable. And as far as I know, the only fight in the game where you need these two thing combined is the Nightcrawler miniboss in 6.4. Not to mention that she has concussion on her SP2, a power sting on the SP1 which is vital for ‘That’s Gonna Sting’, she easily accesses prowess for Special connoisseur. Those two nodes are major roadblocks for a lot of players going through Act 6. Not to mention she has a taunt on her heavy in diamond form which can be incredibly useful. Add consistent 80k SP2 that she can reach quicker than other champion through utilising her heavy attack in diamond form, and I’m sorry, but you, and a lot of other players significantly undervalues Emma.

Imran

U miss psylocke

Yeah, we all have our own opinions. Pretty nice to hear yours tbh.

We do indeed. This forum wouldn’t be nearly as interesting or frustrating if we all shared the same view, as much as I might like that sometimes. But I do like hearing other people’s views, especially when they challenge my own

And I’m always up for sharing my opinion. It’s kind of a running joke in my alliance at this point.

Lol, I'm one to share my opinion whether it's wanted or not, I hear ya. Plus, I love friendly arguments. A place like the forums are really fun for me. 😂

That’s why I’m here as well. Plus, it’s made me less argumentative in my day to day life. I can unleash it here over things that mean nothing. There is nothing like a healthy debate in my opinion.

Lol, that's why I'm here. I thought I was the only one. 😂

Nope, you are not alone😂

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