Changes to Guardian

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

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MaximusSavage

He is a great tech in and of himself. I like the way he plays. I have warlock at rank 4 and a 6 star gulli. The reason I went so all out on him is unlike the gulli tech synergy his BP synergy benefits WHOEVER you want to run with him. Armor can be reduced by numerous champion and node effects, BP only sufferes from a select few. + Energy damage etc. It isn't a good trade off plain and simple.

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Kennado

Exactly. This IS the compromise. No need to penalize multiple champs on our rosters due to one champion's interaction. Address the one champ.

Crimson8399

I actually didn't say anything about her sig being changed. It would be as simple as to remove her power gain from her getting a perfect block.

MaximusSavage

It doesn't even have to be that drastic. Add a percentage chance to proc her power gain that's still really good like 80% and a 6 sec cooldown. That's long enough to finish a special and still have a slim chance not to trigger. And domino remains as absurdly OP as she already was before this.

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PurpleIsPimpin

There has been a lot of talk of "why would you rank for a synergy". If you do not consider synergies when ranking that is an uninformed decision. This synergy 100% factored into my rankup and item usage towards him.

The_enlightened

Ahhh yess because I come into a match expecting to get incinerated instead of using incinerate immune champs

Kabam Miike

We thought it was safer to make a change to the Synergy since Guardian is newer, and we would rather not make a change to Domino, a long-standing Champion that is pretty sought after. However, it seems like you all disagree with that.

We do have another idea that I would like to float by you guys that will leave the Synergy unchanged, and leaves Domino basically unchanged, but does mean that this interaction will no longer happen.

Right now, her abilities take into account outside sources of Block Proficiency, but we would change it so that it does not. The new ability would read: "A Block with (X) Block Proficiency from Domino’s Abilities results in a Perfect Block, reducing incoming attack damage to zero and granting 10% maximum Power instantly."

Basically, the Perfect Block has to come from her own abilities. Thoughts on that?

Thicco_Mode

that sounds ok to me, but I don't use either guardian or domino. I can't think of any current usage of domino that it would ruin

The_enlightened

Read a few comments Around saying something similar. Much better option
I’m sure more people will be in board

Kabam Miike

I think guardian users, which there are definitely more than a few in this thread, would be into it. Need to get some feedback from others before I can be confident in this though.

The_enlightened

Not to brag but I have a 3* guardian

Thicco_Mode

well mine is awakened Soo... I win

CoatHang3r

If you rebalanced the value to trigger a perfect block to account for what she would be missing from the block proficiency mastery due to such a change that would be reasonable. If you didn’t rebalance to account for the loss of that mastery then it would be unreasonable as she would lose that ability.

pseudosane

Exactly this.

Lvernon15

I’d much rather see the change be to domino, it affects 1 champ then rather than every other champ

PurpleIsPimpin

@Kabam Miike as a guardian user, this would make me very happy. I cannot speak to domino users, but it felt like everyone should know that interaction was broken. I just want to say THANK YOU for listening to feedback and posing alternative solutions. Truly appreciated

Kabam Miike

Noted. I think this was already the plan, but I will make sure.

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LibertyPrimeV1

I think this is a fair compromise, it also won't effect her Base so anyone not using the Synergy will notice no change. As well she's still a great champion so this wouldn't be detrimental to her Abilities or Usual Play Style.

LibertyPrimeV1

Oh good catch, I didn't even think about that.

Stuch

@Kabam Miike while we’re on this topic, how does Domino’s perfect block interact with the parry and block proficiency masteries? I assume that they do something to it because Domino’s base block proficiency+max roll is still less than the required amount for a perfect block, yet I can still sometimes get perfect blocks on parries

altavista

i like this change. It doesn’t penalize any champions. Domino’s abilities will work as she always has (pre-Guardian). Post-Guardian, she just won’t have the potentially overpowered synergy interaction.
Other champions will continue to benefit from Guardian synergy.

Its better to change the unwanted interaction (Domino and power gain) than to remove the large benefit in usability for many champions.

MaximusSavage

Yup perfect. Truly is "Lucky" that way. I don't want Domino players to get hurt either and I think that a tweak like that is tiny in comparison to revamping the whole synergy. Thanks for listening!

Worknprogress

Have 6* Guardian and Domino ranked. That seems like a fair change as long as it won't hurt her solo. I certainly didn't go after either champ for this specific interaction it seems pretty broken to me honestly

MaximusSavage

Pretty sure her base BP gets pushed above the threshold by her "Lucky" ability.

Savage

This would also take into account his other synergy that would give her 3 guaranteed perfect blocks at the start of the fight. Domino could potentially gain insane levels of block proficiency, which I personally don't see a problem with as champions like capiw and guardian don't take damage from parries and hardly any from blocked hits either, while not being broken to the point where she gets easy power.

MaximusSavage

Even with the power gain, 3 non stacking perfect blocks is waaayyyy different than loading 70% off a special 2. I follow how they propose the fix that particular synergy doesn't affect Block Proficiency it's just 3 free perfects. Which is fine and shouldn't be affected by the change. Again I don't want Domino to lose Kit anymore than Guardian I just think the balance is better and more fair amending her ability to gain block proficiency.