Black Widow Claire Voyant underrated?

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  • RetlawIVRetlawIV Posts: 49
    Underrated

    RetlawIV said:

    The people that hype her up to the insane levels you hear run suicides permanently and she's one of the few mystics that can handle that

    I don't run suicides and she is my MVP in many difficult match-ups (Hyperion, Aarkus, Korg, Annihilus,...).
    I'd take Doom over her against every one of those
    some of us don’t have doom
    Okay, but this is talking about under or over rating a champ in general not for someone's specific situation, so assuming having all options available (which I personally do) I'm not using her against those champs

    I've never once said Claire is a bad champ bc she obviously isn't. All I've ever said is that permanent suicide users tend to overrate her as a mystic bc she's one of the few that not only works but benefits from suicides.
    I will say that having used her a ton now she also just ignores so many BS nodes in act 6. Freezer burn ez, acid wash ez, biohazard ez, fun and interactive degen ez, icarus ez, like she just has answers for so much bs this game has to offer and then death immunity and regen literally save potions and units.
    None of those nodes you mentioned are problem nodes and all have champs that are much better for them. She's an okay option in a lot of places but incredibly rarely is she ever the best option for anything
    Being the best option for certain nodes means nothing. The champs that are the “better” options for one of those nodes generally isn’t the “best” option for the others. That’s why if you pull a champ that is a good option for a lot of content that’s huge and I say a good option, because she is a good option (If she can get the fight done without it taking forever and without her losing to much health she is a good option) This is literally what a game changing champ is. If a player who doesn’t have every single beyond god tier champ as a 5 or 6 star champ pulls BWCV they’ll have a good option for almost every piece of content out there.
  • RetlawIVRetlawIV Posts: 49
    Underrated

    Where did you get she was underrated. She probably the second or third best mystic in the game.

    You can go back through this thread and read what I’ve said. I’ve referenced other threads and YouTube videos. Lagacy in his mystic tier list even said that he like a lot of other people have been underrating her and during seatins stream of variant 5 he was just kind of shitting on BWCV the whole time
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 6,355 ★★★★★
    Overrated
    RetlawIV said:

    RetlawIV said:

    The people that hype her up to the insane levels you hear run suicides permanently and she's one of the few mystics that can handle that

    I don't run suicides and she is my MVP in many difficult match-ups (Hyperion, Aarkus, Korg, Annihilus,...).
    I'd take Doom over her against every one of those
    some of us don’t have doom
    Okay, but this is talking about under or over rating a champ in general not for someone's specific situation, so assuming having all options available (which I personally do) I'm not using her against those champs

    I've never once said Claire is a bad champ bc she obviously isn't. All I've ever said is that permanent suicide users tend to overrate her as a mystic bc she's one of the few that not only works but benefits from suicides.
    I will say that having used her a ton now she also just ignores so many BS nodes in act 6. Freezer burn ez, acid wash ez, biohazard ez, fun and interactive degen ez, icarus ez, like she just has answers for so much bs this game has to offer and then death immunity and regen literally save potions and units.
    None of those nodes you mentioned are problem nodes and all have champs that are much better for them. She's an okay option in a lot of places but incredibly rarely is she ever the best option for anything
    Being the best option for certain nodes means nothing. The champs that are the “better” options for one of those nodes generally isn’t the “best” option for the others. That’s why if you pull a champ that is a good option for a lot of content that’s huge and I say a good option, because she is a good option (If she can get the fight done without it taking forever and without her losing to much health she is a good option) This is literally what a game changing champ is. If a player who doesn’t have every single beyond god tier champ as a 5 or 6 star champ pulls BWCV they’ll have a good option for almost every piece of content out there.
    When you do have the other champs, she just doesn't get used though. The vast majority of her value comes from suicide compatability, outside that she's a jack of all trades and master of none. Hence she is very overrated.

    How does being the best for something mean nothing? If I have 2 champs that can cover something and one does it better, I'm using the better option. If I have champs that cover all the things she covers better than she does, I'm using the better options. Is she great for small rosters? Sure. If you have all your bases covered or don't run suicides constantly, she's just not needed. I've used her outside arena maybe twice and I have everything in game finished
  • The_enlightenedThe_enlightened Posts: 545 ★★★
    RetlawIV said:

    RetlawIV said:

    RetlawIV said:

    Not hate against seatin but I wouldn’t rly use him as a refrence for specific champs
    He has doom and most “god tier” champs
    I doubt his willing to put the extra work to look into other champs like swedeah
    Looking at the last month it’s just gameplay of mainly EQ
    Heck the only “reviews” of champs are ones that we already know are great. His two carnage and venom ones I haven’t watched but honestly a 20 min long video for each.... is a bit much

    I agree I don’t value his opinion higher than anyone else, but he has such a large platform that it means he has influence and when he says something it tends to cause others to think similarly. And like I’ve stated I started this poll for the sole purpose of seeing the community’s general consensus.
    Fair enough
    Was watching seatins live stream on v5 and he kept dissing BWCV a lot

    It was joking but you can rly sense the undertone he has. Recently gave up trying to get him from the duel crystals, Since I figured she can basically do the same thing as doom. Power control is there with sp2 not as potent but just as reliable. If you play her against ideal match ups like buff reliant opponents or poison immune she probably has better power steal.

    Her sig is very underrated, saved me a ton. For about 30 seconds you are completely death immune ( 24 from her death touch passive and 4 seconds if you would be KOed)plus any damage that would kill you if the death immunity buff is up will give you a charge making you gain more power to throw another. This happened to me against a G99 in v5: she threw her sp2 and immediately I threw sp3. I failed an intercept and got 2 degens on me. Dumb mistake right?..... well yess but it was an unintended calculationThat I made. Immediately her charges went up like crazy due to the reverse regen and degen. It allowed me to throw a second sp3. Pretty cool and definitely not something doom can do.
    Any kind of immune match up is ideal.

    Immunity to AAR? Do you have pacify mastery?Boom charge every single parry- fun trivia for new BWCV users
    I was also watching his stream and he kept kind of shitting on BWCV and I spent the entire time thinking how she would work for everything for completion basically and then I used her for like 90% of the fights for completion and one shot every boss except venom who I missed an sp2 evade and Symbiote Spider-Man who I only had to use one revive on because I mistimed a single heavy lol and I hadn’t even though about pacify against AAR Immunity that’s some galaxy brain **** lol
    Yep saw that too, I don’t care much about seatin anyway but It kinda shows how he rly does rly on the meta champs. Can’t blame him, if I had all Meta champs maxed out I’d probably would too.

    Used her for every boss and could consistently solo all bosses.
    Any kind of buff reliant champs or any form of immune Fights I’d take BWCV every day. Hype korg are easy solos and even if you mess up in any way she can easily heal.
    Definitely going to use her for my first AOL in a few months
    That’s very true. Let me know how it goes using her in AOL, because I thought she could work, but I’m not quite at that point yet I’m still working on act 6.
    Yeah sure thing, I remember reading a post about her being better than doom for AOL since she basically only does heavies and sp3 for maximum damage while doom has to do a few combos and cycle to sp3 constantly

    You do need suicides too
  • GreekhitGreekhit Posts: 1,626 ★★★★★
    edited August 2020
    Overrated
    I personally can’t see why people rate her way higher than champs like DrVoodoo and Magik.
    She has 3 immunities, great nulify and hits worst than Iron Fist.
    She is good but as good she is accused of 😉
  • RetlawIVRetlawIV Posts: 49
    Underrated

    RetlawIV said:

    RetlawIV said:

    The people that hype her up to the insane levels you hear run suicides permanently and she's one of the few mystics that can handle that

    I don't run suicides and she is my MVP in many difficult match-ups (Hyperion, Aarkus, Korg, Annihilus,...).
    I'd take Doom over her against every one of those
    some of us don’t have doom
    Okay, but this is talking about under or over rating a champ in general not for someone's specific situation, so assuming having all options available (which I personally do) I'm not using her against those champs

    I've never once said Claire is a bad champ bc she obviously isn't. All I've ever said is that permanent suicide users tend to overrate her as a mystic bc she's one of the few that not only works but benefits from suicides.
    I will say that having used her a ton now she also just ignores so many BS nodes in act 6. Freezer burn ez, acid wash ez, biohazard ez, fun and interactive degen ez, icarus ez, like she just has answers for so much bs this game has to offer and then death immunity and regen literally save potions and units.
    None of those nodes you mentioned are problem nodes and all have champs that are much better for them. She's an okay option in a lot of places but incredibly rarely is she ever the best option for anything
    Being the best option for certain nodes means nothing. The champs that are the “better” options for one of those nodes generally isn’t the “best” option for the others. That’s why if you pull a champ that is a good option for a lot of content that’s huge and I say a good option, because she is a good option (If she can get the fight done without it taking forever and without her losing to much health she is a good option) This is literally what a game changing champ is. If a player who doesn’t have every single beyond god tier champ as a 5 or 6 star champ pulls BWCV they’ll have a good option for almost every piece of content out there.
    When you do have the other champs, she just doesn't get used though. The vast majority of her value comes from suicide compatability, outside that she's a jack of all trades and master of none. Hence she is very overrated.

    How does being the best for something mean nothing? If I have 2 champs that can cover something and one does it better, I'm using the better option. If I have champs that cover all the things she covers better than she does, I'm using the better options. Is she great for small rosters? Sure. If you have all your bases covered or don't run suicides constantly, she's just not needed. I've used her outside arena maybe twice and I have everything in game finished
    Man thing is the best option for the mysterio acid wash fight does that make him better than BWCV? No obviously it doesn’t and people who have every champ and everything in the game beaten are in such a small minority it’s not even funny. People who have everything covered with the “best” options all the time literally play like 4 champs, so you’re saying that anyone outside those champs is pointless.
  • RetlawIVRetlawIV Posts: 49
    Underrated
    Greekhit said:

    I personally can’t see why people rate her way higher than champs like DrVoodoo and Magik.
    She has 3 immunities, great nulify and hits worst than Iron Fist.
    She is good but as good she is accused of 😉

    Dr voodoo and magik both have niche uses. Magik hits weaker than any other mystic if there are no buffs, and dr voodoo does no damage against poison immune. I literally posted earlier about how BWCV sp2 in curse of hellfire can hit for almost 80k and it works in all matchups no nullifying necessary and no immunities can stop it. Then you stack her utility on top of that.
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