Act 6.4.3 Antman micro reflect

Hello Kabam,

I am exploring the act 6 and found something weird about the antman micro reflect node :
The node that if glancing, antlan reflect a portion of the damage back to the attacker...
a portion is a small bit, a part of something bigger... well at least this is the definition everybody would give !

I fought antman with voïd to control the power the spite node could give him and died miserably due to the reflected damages.
I did a video on my second try just to understand how i could so much damage
When i do 236 damage in its guard he reflects 472 damage !!! 200% of the damages
When i hit him while fear of the is active he reflect 1856 damage of the 595 i did !! More than 300%

Where is the portion ?!? What is your definition of portion ?
At least you could have the honesty to write down the reflected damage would equal 2 or 3 times the damages dealt !

I spent unnecessary units on this fight due to your bad explanation of the node

Comments

Thedancingkid

You would normally (without glancing) inflict the total of what is reflected onto you and what is actually dealt on him. The damage reflected is a portion of that total.

Lormif

because AA has massive amount of abilitie triggers that are percetange based, many with 0 base chance to trigger. Crit failure in itself has nothing to do with AAR, anytime an ability triggers, if the effect of AAR OR just not rolling high enough will cause a crit failure

Kill_Grey

That should be incorrect, in all honesty.

Matters on glancing in the past where with regards to guaranteed crits vs. cannot crit. That's not what we're talking about, we're talking about IMMUNITIES. Immunities should be absolute, no matter what they affect.

With regard to your analogy, then a bleed immune champ might as well get bleeds placed on caltrops. Human torch and Colossus should be weak against freezer burn. So many other situations and scenarios shouldn't be what they are, and immunities might as well not even exist.

If we're talking exclusively about ability accuracy reduction immunity, then according to your analogy, then Mysterio would not be a Domino counter; Quake should be able to place concussion on old man Logan; Force of will nodes would be useless; Longshot wouldn't be able to ever parry a black widow; and so many other things which are concerned in that kind of a matter.

Glancing states, among other things, that: the attacker has -100% reduced ability accuracy on a glanced hit. Archangel's description states that: his ability accuracy cannot be decreased by the opponent's abilities.

What does this mean? He is IMMUNE to ability accuracy reduction. That is, as a matter of fact, ABSOLUTE. An immunity should not be bypass-able, unless otherwise stated (like in the case of Blade versus dimensional beings). Glancing does not bypass AAR immunity because it is not stated in it. And it shouldn't be able to, because it makes no sense whatsoever.

Kill_Grey

So yes, following up on my above post. Old man Logan should be able to freely activate his abilities because he's immune to ability accuracy reduction, which is what glancing affects. It should be the same for AA.

Worknprogress

I get what you're saying but that's not how it works or how it's designed to work. They've basically said nothing gets around glancing. Does it make sense? Of course not but that doesn't mean it's a bug, it's just another nonsensical thing built into this game

Kill_Grey

Damn it!
So that means the only solution to that Ant-Man is expert quaking and/or unitman?

Worknprogress

Mysterio being a Domino counter isn't just about his immunity either, it's the fact that he doesn't have any percentage based abilities to begin with. You get crit failure even if the reason an ability doesn't trigger has absolutely nothing to do with Domino to begin with

Deacon

this game is like a box of chocolates ... you never know what you're gonna get.

Lormif

blade works, namor works REALLY WELL, because that can reflect that back.

Worknprogress

Namor actually works. It probably has something to do with the reflection happening after the hit but he reflects the damage back and doesn't take any himself

Worknprogress

I was pretty sure that he worked but I went and tested on the beta just to be safe before I said so. I couldn't remember if that was who I used or not but thought it was

Ultimatheory

Namor does work. He’s who I used and is probably the best counter to the node overall.

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Lormif

in general immunities are absolute, the only exception currently being AAR immunities in some cases. There is nothing in the game that allows you to bleed or poison a robot for example.

Kill_Grey

Now I feel happier about that 5* namor I got yesterday. Just that I have to awaken him (even though I've got no gem), and max sig him (no sig stones either).

Well, 2 more years to go, I guess...

Whaaaat

You have tried it?
Or you think that it will work?

Because he doesn't work. Ant-Man has spite as well
Don't say BS if you haven't tried them out first

Lormif

It is because the damage reflected is not based on the hit itself, but based on the attack window for attacking.

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Lormif

I dont understand this statement in any way. Glancing only affects triggers on attacks, not other abilities that happen around that same time.

Agent_X_zzz

I used Quake for this fight, its a nasty one without her.

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Worknprogress

Color me shocked

Lormif

champs who are immune to AAR are not affected by AAR unless the champs abilities says it can bypass it or it is a bug, so again I dont understand your statements.

Kill_Grey

He's saying that glancing should work in the same way.

Lormif

im saying it does. Glancing has multiple components,
1) prevent crits, This is NOT AAR, this is jsut a prevention thing
2) lowers AAR

You can be affected by 1, without being affected by 2.

Kill_Grey

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Archangel shouldn't be affected by no. 2, but he has been since this new update.

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Lormif

no. Someone is confusing a potential, but not confirmed bug with AA and glancing.

DemenXC

This Antman was terrible , I managed to solo him with Black Widow DO

https://youtu.be/LI31d3YY6lI