Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

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People are overreacting. Chances that you've explored act 6 and done a path in Abyss and lack a r3 are low.
They're nerfing act 6 and book 2 is coming out with new avenues for t5cc
There's 2 10% from cavalier monthly as well as things like side events and one off events
There's no rush to get it day one as there's no new calendar or anything crazy that you're missing out on

So not only do I have to have good RNG for champs to complete content, I have to have good RNG to get the t5cc I need.

Personally I have tried for Dr Doom since last year.

345k shards on featured crystals and 300k shards on dual crystals. Not counting the normal 5 crystals in between and the units I spent on doom cavs. Still no 5* doom

Did you just realise that this game was an rng fest.
They tell you the % chance of you getting that doom from cavs
I spent 500k shards on dual crystals for doom just to pull him from a random basic.
You don't need to r3 the best champ in the class to qualify, this game has basically been make the best of what you have or spend a stupid amount of money for the longest of times.
Im about to form a skill t5cc, I'm not going to sit an wait for a miracle 6* NF before I use it

TheInfinty

I really honestly don’t care at all about this situation.

GroundedWisdom

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.

Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.

Kabam Miike

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
I’ve completed Act 6. I can 100% Cavalier difficulty. I’m no where near a R3 because RNG won’t go my way. If you plan on making t5cc truly available to where I don’t have to 100% Act or complete an AOL path just to know you’ll have a full one, then this is ok. However if you’re just going to keep giving 20% a month and in that 20% you’re giving 2% crystals that FURTHER make it an RNG dependent title, then it’s a load of BS.

There's a pretty great special Nexus Crystal and T5CC in the Abyss Rewards.

Before somebody else posts it, let me: "Don't have an R3? Kabam Miike just said beat Abyss to get this, like that's easy!"

The Abyss of Legends is an option but it's not the only way. And to be frank, this title is more aimed at those that can 100% Abyss of Legends. We just chose to make it easier than that for those that choose alternate ways to progress their Rosters.

If we hadn't shifted the philosophy for where to put this, you would have gotten it probably after Chapter 2 of Book 2 Act 1. This would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 Champions.

You have time. You don't have to do this today, or even right when this comes out. Use your Cavalier Benefits to help you progress our team.

EDIT: I had mistakenly said there's a T5CC Selector in the Abyss Rewards.

KDSuperFlash10

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.

Why did you have to add the "1x Rank 3 6-Star" in though? That is a VERY poor move by Kabam as only the top 3% of players have r3 6 stars

Also, you said "Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more."

Are we playing the same game? To get more than 1 r3 6* star you have to be in a top, top alliance, whale out big time, or have 100% all content in the game and got good RNG.

Terrible move. You really should consider removing the r3 6 star requirement.

RogerRabs

If they changed it to Act 6 Exploration I doubt the number of players eligible would drastically change

BinkPlayz

I'm a fan of the new progression milestone, though the rank 3 6* aspect of it is stupid, I have champions I can rank up fortunately but for those who have a 6* roster of pure memes or non R3 worthy champs this is a huge slap in the face, remove the R3 6* requirement and this is an amazing addition to the game on top of the buffed cavs, gmc's, and phc's

Cisco

@Kabam Miike do we need to explorer all of act 6 or will completion suffice? Just looking for clarification

pseudosane

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.

You fail to understand the actual issue. Offers are tiered based on these titles. I'm the leader of a top250 ally, not everyone has r3s. We are all grinding for the black friday offers. Now the same units will buy different things, due to RNG in rankups, which is rubbish. Not skill, not time, just sheer luck.
The other changes, I could care less about. Offers, yes. Thats what im concerned about.

G2DK

Yo mike when’s the featured throne breaker crystals dropping? 😎
Probably on the 1st of October.. as stated in the post in regards to this..

Where was this stated in regards to this? It wasn’t.

H3t3r

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
I’ve completed Act 6. I can 100% Cavalier difficulty. I’m no where near a R3 because RNG won’t go my way. If you plan on making t5cc truly available to where I don’t have to 100% Act or complete an AOL path just to know you’ll have a full one, then this is ok. However if you’re just going to keep giving 20% a month and in that 20% you’re giving 2% crystals that FURTHER make it an RNG dependent title, then it’s a load of BS.
There's a pretty great special Nexus Crystal and T5CC Selector in the 100% Abyss Rewards.

Before somebody else posts it, let me: "Don't have an R3? Kabam Miike just said beat Abyss to get this, like that's easy!"

The Abyss of Legends is an option but it's not the only way. And to be frank, this title is more aimed at those that can 100% Abyss of Legends. We just chose to make it easier than that for those that choose alternate ways to progress their Rosters.

If we hadn't shifted the philosophy for where to put this, you would have gotten it probably after Chapter 2 of Book 2 Act 1. This would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 Champions.

You have time. You don't have to do this today, or even right when this comes out. Use your Cavalier Benefits to help you progress our team.

T5cc selector? I dont see one

Bwest289

@Kabam Miike does this mean there will be a "Thronebreaker" EQ and side event difficulty coming soon?

Kabam Miike

The R3 6-star requirement is not it. Why are you ACTIVELY PUNISHING people for beating highly difficult content with lower power level champions? Not only that, the difference between people of equal skill having a R3 6 star is either money spent, or just RNG. Why is this a requirement? If you really NEED another requirement for this title, make it so people have to do an initial clear of abyss of legends. At least that is reasonably attainable with r5 5-stars/R2 6 stars. Get rid of this R3 nonsense.

100% Abyss is closer to what we're aiming for here. 1 Clear is not the progression level we're aiming this at, but we wanted to give Players other routes to get to this level. This was initially going to be somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but since we changed directions on that, we decided to make it easier and put a clear measuring stick on Roster Progression.

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Liss_Bliss_

Just gonna put this out there.

New Cavalier Shard Calendar replaces your GMC Shard Calendar

This should be part of Cavalier. If we are being honest with the 6* quantity gates being Cavalier should make it easier to have a slim chance at a 6*.

Maybe do what you did with the other shard. Cavalier you get 1 every 2 weeks, and with this new title you get one every week.

Just seems like you guys missed something along the way @Kabam Miike

Also this…

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in)

…Was rude and snide. You guys ask us to be polite and respectful yet when you post thing worded this way it’s like you’re asking for trouble, and push back.

Yes people are upset and rightfully so. My biggest issue is the Cavalier crystal replacing the GMC. That should have happened with the Cavalier title. Simple and small things like that would be super appreciated and go a long way in making the community and community managers, like yourself, be united. This weekly crystal change while small is a slap in the face. The only option we have outside of chapter rewards AS Cavalier progressed players is to spend on them. Offering 1 every 2 weeks wouldn’t break the game simply because of the drop rates. But would help players like myself who need more 6*’s to progress in story content.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Kabam Miike

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
I’ve completed Act 6. I can 100% Cavalier difficulty. I’m no where near a R3 because RNG won’t go my way. If you plan on making t5cc truly available to where I don’t have to 100% Act or complete an AOL path just to know you’ll have a full one, then this is ok. However if you’re just going to keep giving 20% a month and in that 20% you’re giving 2% crystals that FURTHER make it an RNG dependent title, then it’s a load of BS.
There's a pretty great special Nexus Crystal and T5CC Selector in the 100% Abyss Rewards.

Before somebody else posts it, let me: "Don't have an R3? Kabam Miike just said beat Abyss to get this, like that's easy!"

The Abyss of Legends is an option but it's not the only way. And to be frank, this title is more aimed at those that can 100% Abyss of Legends. We just chose to make it easier than that for those that choose alternate ways to progress their Rosters.

If we hadn't shifted the philosophy for where to put this, you would have gotten it probably after Chapter 2 of Book 2 Act 1. This would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 Champions.

You have time. You don't have to do this today, or even right when this comes out. Use your Cavalier Benefits to help you progress our team.
T5cc selector? I dont see one

****, I mixed it up with the Awakening Gem Crystal. There is no selector. That is 100% my bad.

MorbidCuriosity

I would maybe be okay with this change if they allowed us to sell T4CC to acquire T5CC shards. This is a LOOOOONG overdue & needed change. Please look into the Kabam

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Kabam Miike

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.

They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.

Deacon

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.

1000% agree. but such is the world of the internet and fast delivery lol. no one wants to wait and put the time in. give me the microwave version they say lol

Doomsfist79

I've read through some of the posts in this thread.. I can understand why some people are upset about this new title and how we can obtain it. I think the following is a little problematic...

For those who have already obtained the title.. it will be taken away (and replaced). A new condition has been created in order to obtain the title which has already been earned. Something just seems wrong about that.. for those who already obtained Throne Breaker.. they should be able to keep that title.. and the new title of Breaker of Thrones should be awarded to all those who meet all requirements..

GroundedWisdom

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.
You fail to understand the actual issue. Offers are tiered based on these titles. I'm the leader of a top250 ally, not everyone has r3s. We are all grinding for the black friday offers. Now the same units will buy different things, due to RNG in rankups, which is rubbish. Not skill, not time, just sheer luck.
The other changes, I could care less about. Offers, yes. Thats what im concerned about.

There's always going to be some requirement, and people are always going to complain about it because every cutoff means some will be left out waiting, and some will make it. That's inevitable.

QuikPik

The fact that you claim 6* are rolling in faster than before is a bit misleading. Most of us get one maybe two 6* a month max. Unless you rank in high plat or masters in war or are generous with 6* shards in side quests most of us are not opening that many 6*. Couple that with the 90% trash that is in that pool.

My last two months of 6* pulls have been:

Iron Patriot
Cull
Blue Cyclops
OG DD awakening
Electro

Not exactly usable material for anything other than arena points.

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RogerRabs

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.

Are you guys going to be offering Throne Breaker only deals on Cyber Monday?

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GroundedWisdom

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.
1000% agree. but such is the world of the internet and fast delivery lol. no one wants to wait and put the time in. give me the microwave version they say lol

Patience among Gamers is like honesty among Politicians.

StevieManWonder

Argument about the 6r3 requirement aside (I agree it’s BS), can you please change the Cav crystal calendar to 7 days instead of 14? The most annoying part of the uncollected title was no longer being able to open one free crystal a week. I know it’s a small thing, but that’s the change I really want to see. Also, with this new title, does this mean we will see a full t5cc in the Odins on Cyber Weekend? Because I’m gonna be honest, the timing of this seems like you just want to secure more sales on Cyber Weekend without allowing lower level Cavalier players access to the higher tier resources. Which is fine in my opinion, but I just want to know that as a Throne Breaker that I’ll actually be getting deals that are worth my time when my main focus is advancing my six star roster.

Kabam Miike

The fact that you claim 6* are rolling in faster than before is a bit misleading. Most of us get one maybe two 6* a month max. Unless you rank in high plat or masters in war or are generous with 6* shards in side quests most of us are not opening that many 6*. Couple that with the 90% trash that is in that pool.

My last two months of 6* pulls have been:

Iron Patriot
Cull
Blue Cyclops
OG DD awakening
Electro

Not exactly usable material for anything other than arena points.

With the introduction of Cavalier Difficulty, this is not misleading. It's simply true. More 6-Star Shards are available than ever before, and that's not even including the addition to Incursions.

Etjama

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.

Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.