Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

Ya_Boi_28

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

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odogg9941

Has anyone got the title yet? I haven’t. And please don’t say oct 1st

odogg9941

It’s says now if you already have everything

Etjama

Has anyone got the title yet? I haven’t. And please don’t say oct 1st

Wtf do you mean don't say October 1st? It comes out on October 1st.

Qfury

Ah well this has given me the motivation to do abyss. thing down on to omega red. It's gonna take me a couple of days though I literally only have the time to play 1hr a night lol

KDSuperFlash10

A solution I can stand by is making Thronebreaker players get 1 cavalier crystal every 7 days, and a Cavalier player gets 1 cavalier crystal every 14 days, similar to how it is with GMC shards between Uncollected and Cavalier players. There is no reason for why "Cavalier" players should not be able to obtain 1 mere "Cavalier" crystal every 2 weeks. Please consider this @Kabam Miike .

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Aleor

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.

I only completed aol and 6.4. I have mystic t5cc and can take ebony, hood or manthing to r3. I don't want, but the thing is your intention looks like I shouldn't get it. Yet I can. So imo you failed to achieve what you wanted.
Also clearing aol as f2p won't be easy even with r3 6* suitable champs, the final fight alone would've cost about 500-1000 units at least

Kill_Grey

Considering the addition of cavalier difficulty for monthly EQ, and legendary difficulty for side quests; I don't feel like the requirements are as farfetched as people make it seem.

For the fact that this month alone gives us a max 30% of T5CC (subject to dispersion) from both side quests and cavalier difficulty. Assuming things continue like this, it could take as little as 4 or less months to form a T5CC if you're "extremely" lucky; or as much as 20 months, if you have the "worst" luck in the galaxy. If you are that person with "crappy" luck, then after that 20-month period, you would have a T5CC of each class. This is assuming you don't spend on offers, do AQ, war, or move a step in act 6.

As for the act 6 completion aspect, it's being rebalanced, be happy.

Kabam Miike

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
I’ve completed Act 6. I can 100% Cavalier difficulty. I’m no where near a R3 because RNG won’t go my way. If you plan on making t5cc truly available to where I don’t have to 100% Act or complete an AOL path just to know you’ll have a full one, then this is ok. However if you’re just going to keep giving 20% a month and in that 20% you’re giving 2% crystals that FURTHER make it an RNG dependent title, then it’s a load of BS.
There's a pretty great special Nexus Crystal and T5CC in the Abyss Rewards.

Before somebody else posts it, let me: "Don't have an R3? Kabam Miike just said beat Abyss to get this, like that's easy!"

The Abyss of Legends is an option but it's not the only way. And to be frank, this title is more aimed at those that can 100% Abyss of Legends. We just chose to make it easier than that for those that choose alternate ways to progress their Rosters.

If we hadn't shifted the philosophy for where to put this, you would have gotten it probably after Chapter 2 of Book 2 Act 1. This would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 Champions.

You have time. You don't have to do this today, or even right when this comes out. Use your Cavalier Benefits to help you progress our team.

EDIT: I had mistakenly said there's a T5CC Selector in the Abyss Rewards.
The edit shows how aware you are of the game and progression. So stop defending the 6* r3 restriction
Hey man, I've got to keep info on every part of the game in my head. I will definitely make mistakes, and I am going to double down on defending this requirement because this is much lower than originally intended when it was just based on Act Progression.
I don't get it. Why didn't you just leave it till Act 7 chapter 2. You keep bringing that up, again and again, defending this decision by saying that you were being generous by doing it now rather than in Act 7 chapter 2. I'd much rather have had this in Act 7 chapter 2 where it is progression based, not rank up based. You should get titles by completing challenging content, not making rank ups based on RNG.

We made a pretty fundamental shift in the way in which we're treating Act Content. It's not longer just meant to be harder and harder, and a hard check on your Roster (check out Beta Footage of the new Act Content, versus the one that came out earlier this Summer before we went back to the drawing board).

It's not a progression point the way that Act 5 or 6 was anymore, so we had to look for other ways to measure progress.

Master_Dan_1000

Also really disappointed in this. I've done act 6 @ 100% and inital abyss clear. Got 3 x t5cc but no 6* worth ranking up in those classes. Do rank up a meh champ just to get the title?

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Deacon

The R3 6-star requirement is not it. Why are you ACTIVELY PUNISHING people for beating highly difficult content with lower power level champions? Not only that, the difference between people of equal skill having a R3 6 star is either money spent, or just RNG. Why is this a requirement? If you really NEED another requirement for this title, make it so people have to do an initial clear of abyss of legends. At least that is reasonably attainable with r5 5-stars/R2 6 stars. Get rid of this R3 nonsense.

surely you mean attainable if you have thousands of units to spare? because i don't know anyone who has done one clear itemless, bundles of unitless etc. no progression title should consider Side or Special Quests.

Liss_Bliss_

Just putting this out there again as I feel like you’re ignoring it Miike.

Also…

…those items highlighted in the square.
Again the first one should already be part of being Cavalier.
The added gold crystal should also be part of cavalier.
And can you explain what the new arena crystal will be? And why Cavalier doesn’t have access to a better arena crystal over uncollected?

Honestly each tier of progression title rewards needs to be shifted DOWN. You shouldn’t be getting rewards that are suited suited for a tier of progression BELOW you.

Rayhanaprilleo

Also really disappointed in this. I've done act 6 @ 100% and inital abyss clear. Got 3 x t5cc but no 6* worth ranking up in those classes. Do rank up a meh champ just to get the title?

I’m in the same spot . All I have is a 6* Diablo for mystic

SwarmOfRavens

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
You’re joking right because if not then your solution is making the title more restrictive to people because they’re complaining about the restrictions?

You and Liss might want to have lunch, they seem to like syrup.
He's saying they want this targeted at people who have 100% Abyss. So do it. THAT makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the fact that someone can have Act 6 complete and 6.1 explored, R3 a Corvus and get Thronebreaker while someone who has explored all of Act 6 can have a Cosmic T5CC and only a Groot to use it on.

Restricting it to 100% abyss is so much worse. You're really complaining for the sake of it if that's your solution.
RNG isn't a new concept to this game, if you've got act 6 explored and got unlucky then you more than likely can get an easy completion of abyss.
If you've somehow done both and can't spare a rank up then that's bad RNG for you.
Don't see what the problem is with someone only having act 6 complete and a r3 corvus getting thronebreaker. They've either spent a stupid amount of money/gotten lucky/ or focused on abyss in place of act 6.

GroundedWisdom

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
Jesus Christ. At this point just make people sacrifice a limb lol. You're talking up a storm with this title being all important, for all this it better GIVE you a R3 6 Star every day lmfao.
I don't see where we're pushing this as all important. In fact, I've been pretty adamant that Summoners know that they don't have to do this right away.
So the benefit of getting the title will also not be right away then?

No, it will. Obviously. It just doesn't need to be done right away. It also doesn't need to be accessible to everyone the second it comes out. That's not a given.

Kabam Miike

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?

Not really. You were in the Beta for the new Act content. It's a pretty fundamental shift from the way that we approached it in our first Beta, and a pretty big change from how you progressed from Act 4 to 5, and from 5 to 6. It's no longer the jump in progression that it was before, and is not as good of a measure of Summoner/Roster Progress as Uncollected and Cavalier were.

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odogg9941

Has anyone got the title yet? I haven’t. And please don’t say oct 1st
Wtf do you mean don't say October 1st? It comes out on October 1st.

No the in game mail says now if you have everything

Etjama

A solution I can stand by is making Thronebreaker players get 1 cavalier crystal every 7 days, and a Cavalier player gets 1 cavalier crystal every 14 days, similar to how it is with GMC shards between Uncollected and Cavalier players. There is no reason for why "Cavalier" players should not be able to obtain 1 mere "Cavalier" crystal every 2 weeks. Please consider this @Kabam Miike .

Who cares about Cav crystals? Think about Throne Breaker deals on Cyber Monday? You're telling me @Wedgemonster can't get Throne Breaker deals because he doesn't want to R3 his 4 sh*tty options even though he's done Act 6 100% and 3 paths in Abyss, but someone who's barely done more than Act 6 completion can? That's major BS.

odogg9941

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Tonym7879

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.

So you going to tell me that I've completed act6 and the abyss but I cant get this title and all the benefits because out of 40 6* champs I got hela and groot for cosmic which is the only tier 5 CC so now I'm screwed cause I dont have a good champ to rank 3 and this is fair ? This is make zero sense.

Kabam Miike

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?

No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.

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Etjama

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
You’re joking right because if not then your solution is making the title more restrictive to people because they’re complaining about the restrictions?

You and Liss might want to have lunch, they seem to like syrup.
He's saying they want this targeted at people who have 100% Abyss. So do it. THAT makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the fact that someone can have Act 6 complete and 6.1 explored, R3 a Corvus and get Thronebreaker while someone who has explored all of Act 6 can have a Cosmic T5CC and only a Groot to use it on.
Restricting it to 100% abyss is so much worse. You're really complaining for the sake of it if that's your solution.
RNG isn't a new concept to this game, if you've got act 6 explored and got unlucky then you more than likely can get an easy completion of abyss.
If you've somehow done both and can't spare a rank up then that's bad RNG for you.
Don't see what the problem is with someone only having act 6 complete and a r3 corvus getting thronebreaker. They've either spent a stupid amount of money/gotten lucky/ or focused on abyss in place of act 6.

Read my latest message. That's why I'm complaining. Because if they're going to start with Throne Breaker deals, this whole company is a sh*t show.

GroundedWisdom

No matter how many times I make the point, people still overlook it. What you're working with in your Roster has, is, and will always be, another measure of progress.