Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

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My main question to people complain the most is, as this is a top tier progression title and having a r3 6* is the top tier champ you can get then... why do you deserve this title if you don't have one or do you deserve it if you haven't done both of the hardest pieces of content? (pause for RnG cry comments)

If you've done 100% act 6 and you're waiting for 1 of 3 or 4 champs on one players specific list they you aren't playing thie game for fun and should take a look at your perspective on this game. I've done a clear of both act 6 and abyss, I got a cosmic and threw it at cull obsidian - I barely use him because I run suicides and he's bled to death by fight 6 or so but it's fun.

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odogg9941

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?
No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.

Ok so I have the requirements. Why didn’t I receive it on game reset

Kabam Miike

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?
No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.
Ok so I have the requirements. Why didn’t I receive it on game reset

It's not available until October 1st. When you log in after it's released, you'll get it!

StevieManWonder

Miike can you please address why the Cav Crystal calendar is going to be for 14 days instead of 7? I know that’s how’s it been in past with GMCs but you said you want to change how the titles work, so make that change.

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Deacon

The R3 6-star requirement is not it. Why are you ACTIVELY PUNISHING people for beating highly difficult content with lower power level champions? Not only that, the difference between people of equal skill having a R3 6 star is either money spent, or just RNG. Why is this a requirement? If you really NEED another requirement for this title, make it so people have to do an initial clear of abyss of legends. At least that is reasonably attainable with r5 5-stars/R2 6 stars. Get rid of this R3 nonsense.
surely you mean attainable if you have thousands of units to spare? because i don't know anyone who has done one clear itemless, bundles of unitless etc. no progression title should consider Side or Special Quests.
Bruh. Please go ahead and look up the definition of the word attainable. It just means possible. When I say reasonably attainable, I mean that with a good stash and some items saved up, you can do a clean run through with r5s. What progression titles SHOULDN'T consider is your rank-ups, which are based on RNG. Other quests are fair game.

the RNG i disagree with still. people have 6* champs to rank up to level 3 .. they just want "specific" ones which makes this whole argument a personal choice one rather than one Kabam is enforcing or excluding etc.

but as i always say, this game is a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get lol

Etjama

My main question to people complain the most is, as this is a top tier progression title and having a r3 6* is the top tier champ you can get then... why do you deserve this title if you don't have one or do you deserve it if you haven't done both of the hardest pieces of content? (pause for RnG cry comments)

If you've done 100% act 6 and you're waiting for 1 of 3 or 4 champs on one players specific list they you aren't playing thie game for fun and should take a look at your perspective on this game. I've done a clear of both act 6 and abyss, I got a cosmic and threw it at cull obsidian - I barely use him because I run suicides and he's bled to death by fight 6 or so but it's fun.

Most people want their 6* R3's to be helpful. @Wedgemonster is the perfect example. He neither enjoys nor needs any of his options for his 2 T5CC even though he's done Act 6 100% and 3 paths in Abyss. Throne Breaker deals are the big problem here. They should not be limited to those who have been lucky enough to pull a solid 6* plus a matching T5CC. No one cares about a Cav crystal every other week.

GroundedWisdom

No matter how many times I make the point, people still overlook it. What you're working with in your Roster has, is, and will always be, another measure of progress.
Having the highest available ranking of champion doesn't necessarily determine progress. BG didn't have an r3 for the longest time. Imagine if he didn't r3 torch? Then what? Just think about that for a second. You probably have a rough idea of how big his acc. is. However, had he not took up torch, he wouldn't be eligible for this milestone. That's worrisome imo.

Actually, it does measure progress. In the same way you just stated. You have the highest available Ranking of Champion. That's a progress marker for your Account.

odogg9941

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?
No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.
Ok so I have the requirements. Why didn’t I receive it on game reset
It's not available until October 1st. When you log in after it's released, you'll get it!

It says now in game message

Jaded

Yeah I’m getting tired of the whinnying tbh. Kabam set up a new title, we live in their world when we play their game. They set the rules. Every announcement is more complaints. Honestly if these additions to the game annoy people so much they have complain here, just quit.

Some areas of the game definitely need feedback and opinions. This is not the way to go with it.

There will always be have’s and have not’s. If you don’t like it, do something about it. I am not referring to ranking up a bad 6*. I mean, just quit.

I look forward to my new title and everything shiny it may come with. If you want one, get off of here and go get one. Please stop putting a negative spin on every announcement. Or send a ticket into support about your concern with it. You’ll notice mods will stop talking in the thread soon and people will argue about it amongst themselves.

Very fun way to spend your day.

KDSuperFlash10

Miike can you please address why the Cav Crystal calendar is going to be for 14 days instead of 7? I know that’s how’s it been in past with GMCs but you said you want to change how the titles work, so make that change.

100%. Thronebreakers should get a cavalier crystal once every 7 days. Cavalier players should get a cavalier crystal once every 14 days. It's in their name ffs.

Please make this change @Kabam Miike we're all asking for it. It would be a very fair addition to ease the anger.

odogg9941

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Etjama

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?
No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.
Okay I get it now. A person with the expansive roster and skill good enough to explore act 6 is not worthy but the person who only did an Initial clear but got lucky or whaled on the offers is worthy.

It's very telling you know.

Now that's logic.

Rasilover

Time to rank 3 my doc oc.
Lol

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GroundedWisdom

Time to rank 3 my doc oc.
Lol

That wouldn't be one of the worst choices. He has uses.

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QuikPik

The fact that you claim 6* are rolling in faster than before is a bit misleading. Most of us get one maybe two 6* a month max. Unless you rank in high plat or masters in war or are generous with 6* shards in side quests most of us are not opening that many 6*. Couple that with the 90% trash that is in that pool.

My last two months of 6* pulls have been:

Iron Patriot
Cull
Blue Cyclops
OG DD awakening
Electro

Not exactly usable material for anything other than arena points.
With the introduction of Cavalier Difficulty, this is not misleading. It's simply true. More 6-Star Shards are available than ever before, and that's not even including the addition to Incursions.

Challenge accepted, let's break it down...

Cavalier EQ 100% - 5000 shards
UC EQ 100% - 2500 shards
Sector 8 Incursion (assuming you complete 10 rooms) - 1250 shards
War season (assuming people able to 100% Cav EQ are at least Gold1/2) - 2500 shards
5* Duplicates (assume you dupe 4 a month) - 1100 shards

That's a total of 12,350 6* shards a month. Combined with the 90% garbage in the 6* pool that's one usable 6* every 8 months.

You can speed up the process if you buy cavs or featured cavs. If you are FTP, you are limited to just over 1 6* a month.

Disclaimer: this doesn't impact me at all as I will get Throne Breaker title if requirements stay as is.

JueVioleGrace

Just woke up

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SwarmOfRavens

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
You’re joking right because if not then your solution is making the title more restrictive to people because they’re complaining about the restrictions?

You and Liss might want to have lunch, they seem to like syrup.
He's saying they want this targeted at people who have 100% Abyss. So do it. THAT makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the fact that someone can have Act 6 complete and 6.1 explored, R3 a Corvus and get Thronebreaker while someone who has explored all of Act 6 can have a Cosmic T5CC and only a Groot to use it on.
Restricting it to 100% abyss is so much worse. You're really complaining for the sake of it if that's your solution.
RNG isn't a new concept to this game, if you've got act 6 explored and got unlucky then you more than likely can get an easy completion of abyss.
If you've somehow done both and can't spare a rank up then that's bad RNG for you.
Don't see what the problem is with someone only having act 6 complete and a r3 corvus getting thronebreaker. They've either spent a stupid amount of money/gotten lucky/ or focused on abyss in place of act 6.
Read my latest message. That's why I'm complaining. Because if they're going to start with Throne Breaker deals, this whole company is a sh*t show.

We don't even know if they're going to be thronebreaker deals or if they'll even be good yet.
You've jumped the gun.
Unless I've missed where they confirmed that theyll be deals you're literally complaining based on speculation.
And If they do end up being deals it's your choice on whether they're worth using a t5cc to access. It still comes down to personal values. I personally don't spend units or cash on these deals because I rather use the units to complete content and build my roster.
Kabams been a **** company for a long time but in the grand scheme of things the deals aren't be all end all

Millybear

It doesn't make sense to me that having a 6* rank 3 champion contributes more to your account progression than how far you actually are with the content. Please remove to 6* rank 3 restriction and actually base the title/benefits on how much of the content you have completed in game.

Aleor

My main question to people complain the most is, as this is a top tier progression title and having a r3 6* is the top tier champ you can get then... why do you deserve this title if you don't have one or do you deserve it if you haven't done both of the hardest pieces of content? (pause for RnG cry comments)

If you've done 100% act 6 and you're waiting for 1 of 3 or 4 champs on one players specific list they you aren't playing thie game for fun and should take a look at your perspective on this game. I've done a clear of both act 6 and abyss, I got a cosmic and threw it at cull obsidian - I barely use him because I run suicides and he's bled to death by fight 6 or so but it's fun.

@Odachi, because it's rng based. You may do aol completion and get a great 6* and t5cc for him, or may have to explore it, but get only, say, 3 cosmic t5cc. And if you don't want a cosmic r3 and not going for cosmic nexus 6*, you still won't have an r3 champ. So with de facto higher progression level, it will be consider as lower. Those are border cases, but true for everything between. Progression level used to be more strict being associated with completed content. This conditions are not.

DNA3000

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?

I suspect it might be less an issue of delay, and more an issue of structure. Act 6 and Book 2 were originally envisioned as traditional end game content in my opinion. They were designed under the idea that if most players can't do it, too bad. But as the philosophy has changed to be more like everyone should *eventually* be able to do it, and the difficulty and rewards should be more of a graceful step up from Uncollected to Cav to beyond within that content, the title made less sense to embed within Book 2, because Book 2 would not place as high of a progressional burden.

At the risk of oversimplifying, I think Thronebreaker is intended to be an end game title (today, before future titles supplant it), but completing Act 6 and even Book 2 is no longer seen as only an end gamer's activity. So instead Kabam wanted to shift from a content-clearing title like Uncollected or Cav to something else that is more correlated with end game accomplishments, and rank 3 rank ups was the obvious next choice. But while content-clearing titles are pretty binary, either you did them or you didn't, rank ups are more hazy because different people rank up at different paces. Some players rank up quickly, some want to rank up more deliberately, and of course things like spending affect how much rank 3 resources a player might have independent of progress. So Kabam decided to ease off of "multiple rank 3s" as being the marker of an end game player for the purposes of the title, and require just one to make sure that the requirement wasn't so high that it cut off too many end game players from the title.

Crimson8399

@Kabam Miike the term level of progression keeps getting thrown out there but with so much rng in game it really is possible to have completed all but one run in the abyss and not have a full t5cc. So this title is aimed more at people who have whales out on content and special offers than actual progression. If it were truly progression based, it shouldn't require the use of limited and highly valued resources. But that is the way this game goes I suppose.

SwarmOfRavens

No matter how many times I make the point, people still overlook it. What you're working with in your Roster has, is, and will always be, another measure of progress.
Having the highest available ranking of champion doesn't necessarily determine progress. BG didn't have an r3 for the longest time. Imagine if he didn't r3 torch? Then what? Just think about that for a second. You probably have a rough idea of how big his acc. is. However, had he not took up torch, he wouldn't be eligible for this milestone. That's worrisome imo.

He didn't have a r3 out of choice. If I'm not mistaken he also had an IW and other science options.
He chose to wait for one of the best option but that's subjective. He'd still be eligible if he had ranked any other science champ

Oesername123

It's interesting that the mods would allow positive threads about the throne breaker update to remain up but would rage delete any kind of criticism towards it.