Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

Ya_Boi_28

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

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Horror_punk

People fighting over NewTitle

Here I’m still wondering when Act6 compensation will come.

The longer it takes the less it will cater for those who beaten up the content in harder mode
The value of rewards gets deteriorated with time.

Etjama

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
You’re joking right because if not then your solution is making the title more restrictive to people because they’re complaining about the restrictions?

You and Liss might want to have lunch, they seem to like syrup.
He's saying they want this targeted at people who have 100% Abyss. So do it. THAT makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the fact that someone can have Act 6 complete and 6.1 explored, R3 a Corvus and get Thronebreaker while someone who has explored all of Act 6 can have a Cosmic T5CC and only a Groot to use it on.
Restricting it to 100% abyss is so much worse. You're really complaining for the sake of it if that's your solution.
RNG isn't a new concept to this game, if you've got act 6 explored and got unlucky then you more than likely can get an easy completion of abyss.
If you've somehow done both and can't spare a rank up then that's bad RNG for you.
Don't see what the problem is with someone only having act 6 complete and a r3 corvus getting thronebreaker. They've either spent a stupid amount of money/gotten lucky/ or focused on abyss in place of act 6.
Read my latest message. That's why I'm complaining. Because if they're going to start with Throne Breaker deals, this whole company is a sh*t show.
We don't even know if they're going to be thronebreaker deals or if they'll even be good yet.
You've jumped the gun.
Unless I've missed where they confirmed that theyll be deals you're literally complaining based on speculation.
And If they do end up being deals it's your choice on whether they're worth using a t5cc to access. It still comes down to personal values. I personally don't spend units or cash on these deals because I rather use the units to complete content and build my roster.
Kabams been a **** company for a long time but in the grand scheme of things the deals aren't be all end all

Well we keep asking and they keep ignoring. Either way, Kabam is bluntly telling us that those skilled enough to explore all the content in the game aren't worthy of the title while those that are lucky enough to get solid options are. That principle alone coming from the mouth of a company should be complained about.

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GroundedWisdom

The best way to show your displeasure is dont give them your money on cyber weekend when you see the difference in deals separated by the titles. I won't pay for less because I have **** luck, if you do then you're confirming to them this was the right call.

That's entirely someone's choice, but it's a rash one. In order to have this Title, it's reasonable to have that as a requirement, considering the other requirement is Completion of Act 6, given that they've made it easier. There's always a choice involved with everything in the game. There's the choice to hold out for the "best" Champs, or there's the choice to make the best of what you get and earn more later. This idea that you have to have the perfect Champs before making any decisions is adopted by the Players, but it's also part of the reason people are so off-put with content that doesn't cater to those Champs, and also the reason people are using OP Champs of power Ranks and Rarities to get through Story before their Accounts develop properly. There are certain progress markers in the game overall. This is one of them. The highest attainable at the moment, actually. Making requirements is not mistreatment.

Odachi

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?
No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.
So it’s not ab progression it’s ab RNG that makes zero sense

Isn't everything in this game? You pay $100 for a deal with a lot of 6* shards, guess whats coming out? A randomly generated champ. You want to do abyss, you need a select few 5* champs from.. oh yeah those 5* crystals which contain...randomly generated champions. Move on.

DNA3000

It’s great and all.. but I’ve 100% everything except for two paths of abyss, I have 2 T5CC, and no one to use them on. I’m not going to rank 3 someone like Iron Fist to get a title. It doesn’t seem like a measure of progression should be RNG based
What do you tell people who say the only reason you have 100% everything and completed Abyss paths was because of RNG in the first place?

So long as RNG exists in the game, it will have some impact on progress, all progress. It is a question of degree, not of being affected by RNG or not. There were lots of options for Kabam to consider when it came to this next tier of progress, given their desire to incorporate roster progress into overall progress rather than just content progress. The requirement has to be hard, or it isn't a useful gauge of game progress. And by definition, if it is hard, it is something most people, even most Cavalier players, not only haven't done, but also can't easily do immediately.

Having a rank 3 is no more or less reasonable a requirement compared to any other option really, given the desire to incorporate roster progress as a component of overall progress.
But even act 6 completion can still be done with skill and time. And probably lots of units. Of course some fights do need specific counters.But not getting T5cc of the class you want and not getting a good champ of the class you need is still a possibility. And it is not a measure of skill in any way

Act 6 can be done with skill and *enough time* as you say, because also as you say some fights require specific counters the player might not have. That is exactly the same RNG dependency that people are complaining about when they complain that Thronebreaker is RNG-dependent due to the need to both form a T5CC and have a sufficiently suitable 6* of that class. Both have RNG dependencies, but with enough time you can overcome them. What makes the time players spend waiting to clear Act 6 less valuable than the time players wait to pull a 6* rank 3 candidate and form the catalyst for it?

Yes, having a rank 3 is not a direct measure of skill. But neither is having a roster of 5* and 6* champs, which are the prerequisites to doing Act 6 at all. We accept that in this game that all progress is a combination of roster strength and player skill. And while they are not directly connected, they are loosely correlated. Most players that have done the highest content also have fairly strong rosters. Most of the players with fairly strong rosters are generally capable of doing most of the content. There are exceptions, but every progress requirement, including Uncollected and Cavalier titles, follows this rule.

RogerRabs

Why is my account suddenly progressed to the appropriate level if I take the Mutant T5CC in my inventory and use it on an unduped Omega? Functionally he will do nothing for me until I can awaken him. Ranking him up does nothing for my account progression at the moment which is why I haven't done it.

Timone147

Ok this is reallly poor rationale and I can’t believe that this is really the reason for this.

Take me... Right now... the measure of whether I am worthy of this upgrade is not:

1. Completing and progressing content
2. Working harder/playing more
3. Improving my roster and building a stronger team

What is determine whether I am worthy or not of this upgrade. To determine if I am a real “Throne Breaker” you are wondering if:

1. I will Open the game right now and use my cosmic t5cc on my king groot (heimdal, annihus, Gamora, BB, Phoenix, venompool). Open that screen and hit rank up twice on one of those champs(which I have all the cats to do) and waste those catalysts. That what separates me and the throne breakers.

Yup I get it now. I can see why I’m not worthy and why it isn’t aimed at me or my roster. Really makes a lot of sense now. See the targeted progression focus on that one.

Tensio

I’m not sure about act 6 requirements. Need to 100% act 6 or is it enough if I’ve beaten the grandmaster?

Aleor

Also does it mean every next progression level will have similar conditions? Or will people be able to skip this one, of they explore act 7 with r2 6* only?

Berjibs

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
I'm a bit confused by this lol. So you're goal was to keep this title at a threshold of player who has explored Abyss, but you decided to make it more accessible? Um... thanks?

We all know why they made it “accessible” (it’s not accessible it’s a huge tease), make the gap between the two components of the title big enough that the only way to get to the latter component, a r3, quickly after finish act 6 is to spend on deals or spend through act 6 exploration.

Now this won’t apply to all people finishing, but surely for a lot it will and those will be the ones that are already playing roster catchup.

I’m in that boat I finished act 6 just before the nerfs started with 5 r5s, I’m miles away from a r3.

I’m a grown man with a family, I can resist the temptation to push on but others won’t and will succumb to peer pressure and open their wallets.

They know exactly what they are doing.

Surely a fair marker if they want it to be for summoners that are so advanced is just the original title, 100% act 6?

Buttehrs

I could have sworn they wanted to get away from rarity gates. Lol.

Worknprogress

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?
I suspect it might be less an issue of delay, and more an issue of structure. Act 6 and Book 2 were originally envisioned as traditional end game content in my opinion. They were designed under the idea that if most players can't do it, too bad. But as the philosophy has changed to be more like everyone should *eventually* be able to do it, and the difficulty and rewards should be more of a graceful step up from Uncollected to Cav to beyond within that content, the title made less sense to embed within Book 2, because Book 2 would not place as high of a progressional burden.

At the risk of oversimplifying, I think Thronebreaker is intended to be an end game title (today, before future titles supplant it), but completing Act 6 and even Book 2 is no longer seen as only an end gamer's activity. So instead Kabam wanted to shift from a content-clearing title like Uncollected or Cav to something else that is more correlated with end game accomplishments, and rank 3 rank ups was the obvious next choice. But while content-clearing titles are pretty binary, either you did them or you didn't, rank ups are more hazy because different people rank up at different paces. Some players rank up quickly, some want to rank up more deliberately, and of course things like spending affect how much rank 3 resources a player might have independent of progress. So Kabam decided to ease off of "multiple rank 3s" as being the marker of an end game player for the purposes of the title, and require just one to make sure that the requirement wasn't so high that it cut off too many end game players from the title.

Pretty much how I feel. With the severe reduction in story content difficulty, there's not really too many other ways they can segment off sections of the playerbase besides also including a measure of roster strength/size.

I understand people not liking it but with the new direction in content design it's not surprising they also revisited title requirements

JChanceH9

Kabam promised to do better in the future in the roadmap. The r3 restriction is a major transgression on that promise. Include a t5cc selector in act 6 completion rewards, or get rid of the r3 restriction full stop.

DarkEternity

Kabam promised to do better in the future in the roadmap. The r3 restriction is a major transgression on that promise. Include a t5cc selector in act 6 completion rewards, or get rid of the r3 restriction full stop.

@JChanceH9 Ok, ok, I'm with everyone on the RNG part but there should be NO T5CC selector in Act 6 initial rewards. Who the hell, in their right mind, would ever think that.

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Southfence

Since the game is about spending and RNG now and not actual progression why not just make the titles based on how much people spend? Why even have Act 6 completion in there just say spend enough to get a R3 6*.

Then the next tier could be spend $10K then another for $100K.

CoatHang3r

No matter how many times I make the point, people still overlook it. What you're working with in your Roster has, is, and will always be, another measure of progress.
Having the highest available ranking of champion doesn't necessarily determine progress. BG didn't have an r3 for the longest time. Imagine if he didn't r3 torch? Then what? Just think about that for a second. You probably have a rough idea of how big his acc. is. However, had he not took up torch, he wouldn't be eligible for this milestone. That's worrisome imo.

BG is the wrong person to measure these complaints on. He all but quit the progression game late last year to focus on other things and only recently returned to it after the pandemic got in the way.

DarkSoulDLX

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?
No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.

So this progression point update is far from the reach of free to play players

Though I applaud you but I don't have any money to sprinkle in the air as I clap

JDunk2291

Wouldn't this just widen the gap Between Players in prestige and roster building? The whales getting extra resources and benefits from calenders and crystals increasing the rate they build their rosters and how strong they become for AW...while everyone else is waiting for that "Right" Champion and the Resources necessary for "Said" Champion to bring to R3. And still need to be comfortable using expensive resource in bringing that champion to R3 which is rare because there is a of trash in the pool. So in a Major way it makes becoming thone breaker RNG Based, or P2W.

Faisaljaved

why dont kabam change the requirement to forming one t5cc of any class gets you the title you dont have to have a rank 3 with it that would be better as nobody will have to just rank up immediately

JChanceH9

Kabam promised to do better in the future in the roadmap. The r3 restriction is a major transgression on that promise. Include a t5cc selector in act 6 completion rewards, or get rid of the r3 restriction full stop.
@JChanceH9 Ok, ok, I'm with everyone on the RNG part but there should be NO T5CC selector in Act 6 initial rewards. Who the hell, in their right mind, would ever think that.

I don’t think there should be a t5cc selector in completion rewards, and don’t know anyone who thinks there should be, so, who in their right mind would require the use of a t5cc to claim the title? You’re making my point for me.

Etjama

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?
I suspect it might be less an issue of delay, and more an issue of structure. Act 6 and Book 2 were originally envisioned as traditional end game content in my opinion. They were designed under the idea that if most players can't do it, too bad. But as the philosophy has changed to be more like everyone should *eventually* be able to do it, and the difficulty and rewards should be more of a graceful step up from Uncollected to Cav to beyond within that content, the title made less sense to embed within Book 2, because Book 2 would not place as high of a progressional burden.

At the risk of oversimplifying, I think Thronebreaker is intended to be an end game title (today, before future titles supplant it), but completing Act 6 and even Book 2 is no longer seen as only an end gamer's activity. So instead Kabam wanted to shift from a content-clearing title like Uncollected or Cav to something else that is more correlated with end game accomplishments, and rank 3 rank ups was the obvious next choice. But while content-clearing titles are pretty binary, either you did them or you didn't, rank ups are more hazy because different people rank up at different paces. Some players rank up quickly, some want to rank up more deliberately, and of course things like spending affect how much rank 3 resources a player might have independent of progress. So Kabam decided to ease off of "multiple rank 3s" as being the marker of an end game player for the purposes of the title, and require just one to make sure that the requirement wasn't so high that it cut off too many end game players from the title.
Pretty much how I feel. With the severe reduction in story content difficulty, there's not really too many other ways they can segment off sections of the playerbase besides also including a measure of roster strength/size.

I understand people not liking it but with the new direction in content design it's not surprising they also revisited title requirements

So explain to me how someone who has barely completed Act 6 belongs in that group while someone who has explored everything doesn't.

Stingerbk

So I don’t just have the resources for a rank 3 and have act 6 100%.... I have 2 SCIENCE T5CC..... given that I have no science I feel comfortable ranking as a 6*, I think it is a very bad choice to base a progression title on an RNG rank up material.
This is a choice that you have to make. You are under no pressure to choose one of those Champions if you don't want to. This title is not going anywhere. As T5CC become more common, you'll have more choices, but at this time, this is the way that we have decided to separate the next tier in a way that takes into account both your progression in-game, and your roster progression.

So exactly what is your philosophy change??? I am curious to see how your philosophy change got you to think that locking this behind an r3 6* is a good thing.

Because from my point of view making it about only completion of act 6 widens the pool, i just don't get the other part of the requirement.

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DarkEternity

Kabam promised to do better in the future in the roadmap. The r3 restriction is a major transgression on that promise. Include a t5cc selector in act 6 completion rewards, or get rid of the r3 restriction full stop.
@JChanceH9 Ok, ok, I'm with everyone on the RNG part but there should be NO T5CC selector in Act 6 initial rewards. Who the hell, in their right mind, would ever think that.
I don’t think there should be a t5cc selector in completion rewards, and don’t know anyone who thinks there should be, so, who in their right mind would require the use of a t5cc to claim the title?

Because the title is supposed to be for people that are farther along. I've been saying that Kabam should've just left it at Act 6 100% and been done with it. They're being very unclear about certain aspects but overall I'd say that this title is not for people who have done their Act 6 completion.

Worknprogress

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?
I suspect it might be less an issue of delay, and more an issue of structure. Act 6 and Book 2 were originally envisioned as traditional end game content in my opinion. They were designed under the idea that if most players can't do it, too bad. But as the philosophy has changed to be more like everyone should *eventually* be able to do it, and the difficulty and rewards should be more of a graceful step up from Uncollected to Cav to beyond within that content, the title made less sense to embed within Book 2, because Book 2 would not place as high of a progressional burden.

At the risk of oversimplifying, I think Thronebreaker is intended to be an end game title (today, before future titles supplant it), but completing Act 6 and even Book 2 is no longer seen as only an end gamer's activity. So instead Kabam wanted to shift from a content-clearing title like Uncollected or Cav to something else that is more correlated with end game accomplishments, and rank 3 rank ups was the obvious next choice. But while content-clearing titles are pretty binary, either you did them or you didn't, rank ups are more hazy because different people rank up at different paces. Some players rank up quickly, some want to rank up more deliberately, and of course things like spending affect how much rank 3 resources a player might have independent of progress. So Kabam decided to ease off of "multiple rank 3s" as being the marker of an end game player for the purposes of the title, and require just one to make sure that the requirement wasn't so high that it cut off too many end game players from the title.
Pretty much how I feel. With the severe reduction in story content difficulty, there's not really too many other ways they can segment off sections of the playerbase besides also including a measure of roster strength/size.

I understand people not liking it but with the new direction in content design it's not surprising they also revisited title requirements
So explain to me how someone who has barely completed Act 6 belongs in that group while someone who has explored everything doesn't.

The likelihood of someone that has explored "everything" having zero R3 options is basically slim to none. Is it possible and are there probably a small number of people out there in that situation? Absolutely. It's not remotely going to be the norm or even slightly common

Ankush69

My thoughts?
It was definitely necessary . Reason being that as the game naturally progresses, kabam has to introduce next tier of rewards and that's how they doing it through "ThroneBreaker" title.
But what I speculate is Kabam is just being lazy , they just don't want to fix act6 at all but since they have to somehow introduce next progression level , this is how they choose to do it and as a result 6-star r3 influx will be even more now imo like 1 6* r3 every 2 months and eventually players will care less and less about act6 rewards . Act6 will eventually become something similar to act4 is now, nobody bothers to explore it with low ranked champs, they come back to act4 when it's cakewalk and that's when people would come back for act6 100% that is when their rosters are way higher than what actually act6 was intended for(5/65s).