Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

Comments

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
Why did you have to add the "1x Rank 3 6-Star" in though? That is a VERY poor move by Kabam as only the top 3% of players have r3 6 stars

Also, you said "Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more."

Are we playing the same game? To get more than 1 r3 6* star you have to be in a top, top alliance, whale out big time, or have 100% all content in the game and got good RNG.

Terrible move. You really should consider removing the r3 6 star requirement.

You don’t have to be in a top alliance. This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen. I have a rank 3 and I’m in a gold 4 alliance

Are you a modder or something? Because gold 4 alliances don't exist in MCOC. Idk what game you're playing but there is no such thing as a gold 4 alliance in MCOC.

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OGAvenger

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
I’ve completed Act 6. I can 100% Cavalier difficulty. I’m no where near a R3 because RNG won’t go my way. If you plan on making t5cc truly available to where I don’t have to 100% Act or complete an AOL path just to know you’ll have a full one, then this is ok. However if you’re just going to keep giving 20% a month and in that 20% you’re giving 2% crystals that FURTHER make it an RNG dependent title, then it’s a load of BS.
There's a pretty great special Nexus Crystal and T5CC in the Abyss Rewards.

Before somebody else posts it, let me: "Don't have an R3? Kabam Miike just said beat Abyss to get this, like that's easy!"

The Abyss of Legends is an option but it's not the only way. And to be frank, this title is more aimed at those that can 100% Abyss of Legends. We just chose to make it easier than that for those that choose alternate ways to progress their Rosters.

If we hadn't shifted the philosophy for where to put this, you would have gotten it probably after Chapter 2 of Book 2 Act 1. This would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 Champions.

You have time. You don't have to do this today, or even right when this comes out. Use your Cavalier Benefits to help you progress our team.

EDIT: I had mistakenly said there's a T5CC Selector in the Abyss Rewards.
The edit shows how aware you are of the game and progression. So stop defending the 6* r3 restriction
Hey man, I've got to keep info on every part of the game in my head. I will definitely make mistakes, and I am going to double down on defending this requirement because this is much lower than originally intended when it was just based on Act Progression.
I don't get it. Why didn't you just leave it till Act 7 chapter 2. You keep bringing that up, again and again, defending this decision by saying that you were being generous by doing it now rather than in Act 7 chapter 2. I'd much rather have had this in Act 7 chapter 2 where it is progression based, not rank up based. You should get titles by completing challenging content, not making rank ups based on RNG.
We made a pretty fundamental shift in the way in which we're treating Act Content. It's not longer just meant to be harder and harder, and a hard check on your Roster (check out Beta Footage of the new Act Content, versus the one that came out earlier this Summer before we went back to the drawing board).

It's not a progression point the way that Act 5 or 6 was anymore, so we had to look for other ways to measure progress.
So you chose to measure progress by either
1. Having a lot of cash
or
2. Getting lucky

Okay then

This. Right. Here.

Honestly, this doesn’t bug me as much as it should despite having 100% Act 6 and completed Abyss and have no r3’s. However, you can’t claim this is a progression title if it’s measuring your ability to have great crystal luck or a lot of cash to purchase all the deals.

Something just doesn’t seem right going this route and obviously others see that too

DarkSoulDLX

Should we a be expecting a new difficulty especially when acknowledging the failure of the launch of Caviler difficulty? @Kabam Miike

Never?
Yes!

Caviler difficulty was widely perceived as a failure is that why you rushed down the pathway of a new title?

Jank39

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.
How about this people who have explored act 6 and still don't meet the requirements? Theya r also not ready?
No, they are not. Unless you have Rank 3 6-Stars on your team, this is not aimed at you.

So progression is now RNG rather than skill based?!? If someone like me has 20 six stars and multiple dupes, you are telling me to rank up a below top tier (potentially trash) champ to get that title?!?

I'll wait quietly while the outrage ramps up and you guys change this... you are slow learners kabam 🤦🏻‍♂️🙄

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JChanceH9

Yeah I’m getting tired of the whinnying tbh. Kabam set up a new title, we live in their world when we play their game. They set the rules. Every announcement is more complaints. Honestly if these additions to the game annoy people so much they have complain here, just quit.

Some areas of the game definitely need feedback and opinions. This is not the way to go with it.

There will always be have’s and have not’s. If you don’t like it, do something about it. I am not referring to ranking up a bad 6*. I mean, just quit.

I look forward to my new title and everything shiny it may come with. If you want one, get off of here and go get one. Please stop putting a negative spin on every announcement. Or send a ticket into support about your concern with it. You’ll notice mods will stop talking in the thread soon and people will argue about it amongst themselves.

Very fun way to spend your day.

Yeah, I’m getting tired of your whining about players complaints tbh. You came on the forums where people share their perspective, this is the proper feedback outlet, and you chose to come here. We speak our mind. People have opinions about every announcement, complaints included. Honestly, if you can’t handle people giving their opinion, just leave.

Some things require your attention, the forums is not one of them.

There will always be ideas expressed in the forums you disagree with. If you don’t like it, do something about it. I’m not referring to flaming people. I mean, just leave.

I look forward to your departure and the freedom of expression that comes with it. If you toughen up, come on back. Please stop feeling compelled to speak about others’ differing thoughts. Or send a ticket into support with it. You’ll notice no one cares what you think, and people will continue expressing themselves.

Such a big world out there for you to explore.

Invalidation goes both ways, bub.

AceLuffySabo

I've completed Act 6 but there is no way I'll have a R3 6* anytime soon.. probably another year or more considering my RNG with those catalyst fragments and 6* luck.

Seriously though, why not have a bunch of 6* R2 instead of R3 for which you need resources that are so incredibly rare for most players. Hell, I'd be willing to rank up some 6* meme champs to R2 for jokes, but R3? Definitely not.

GroundedWisdom

I know that there have been a few cases recently where a lot of public outburst has caused kabam to reverse their decisions but I have to ask please do NOT reverse this decision. I'm fairly sure this thread is just a lot of loud people saying the same time (rng yadayadayada) but I also think the loudest might not of even done 6.2.6 let alone the grandmaster as just like to complain.
Yeah I'm really hoping they find their spine again on this one
You act like responding and rectifying based on feedback is a bad thing
No I'm acting like constantly caving to the loudest people just incentivizes more crying. It's like feeding a stray cat, they just keep coming back. The things people complain endlessly about now are absolutely ridiculous.
But it's justified here no matter what you say. No amount of mental gymnastics can convince me that a person who got lucky or spend a lot of money is more worth for the title than the person with the skill to fcking explore act 6.
Actually, I think the opposite is a larger concern. If people are getting through everything and not developing their Accounts properly, that worries me about many things.
Developing the roster to do what?? Act 6 is the highest roster requirement you have in the game. An account that can explore act6 without going bankrupt is way more developed than someone with a r3 6*.

You can't tell a person who has 100% all content that their roster isn't developed enough because of an arbitrary conditon set by someone.

Why you ask?? Because they did everything. What are you suppose dot develop your roster for other than to do content. Even abyss is less roster intensive

I see, so you think the game ends after Act 6? Ah, so what are we here discussing it for? There's no future, or content outside of Act 6, nothing to use Champs in, nothing coming in the future. No need to advance or Rank anything. Beat the game with a lesser Roster. Skill bypassed the whole system.
*intense sarcasm*

OGAvenger

If Act 7 Ch. 1 drops pretty much the same as it was in the second beta then Act 6 100% is still easily the most difficult content in the game (sorry Abyss explorers).

Keep throne breaker as the new progression title but keep it locked behind Act 6 100%. And if r3’s are something you’re wanting to keep apart of it then Act 6 100% should have a t5cc selector

Meebleton

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
Why did you have to add the "1x Rank 3 6-Star" in though? That is a VERY poor move by Kabam as only the top 3% of players have r3 6 stars

Also, you said "Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more."

Are we playing the same game? To get more than 1 r3 6* star you have to be in a top, top alliance, whale out big time, or have 100% all content in the game and got good RNG.

Terrible move. You really should consider removing the r3 6 star requirement.

You don’t have to be in a top alliance. This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen. I have a rank 3 and I’m in a gold 4 alliance

Gold 4 doesn't exist

TheTalents

Even though I have a r3 6 star I think the requirement is unfair. I'm top 45 AQ and I still have about 6 members without r3 6 stars. I think that requirement needs to be removed unless you give out a full t5cc selector.

Give out a selector for people who completed act act 6 100%.

ItsDamien

Story progression should never be limited by factors outside of a users control. You would know that from the backlash of the gate restrictions in 6.2, but you haven't learned that forcing a restriction on account progression isn't a good option.

The argument of "This is aimed at people with teams of 6* Rank 3 as that's what Book 2 was going to require originally" is a really REALLY poor excuse. Take the feedback from the first Book 2 beta. It sucked. You changed it. The idea what a progression title should be aimed at any particular group is an awful idea, because it doesn't promote any form of skill, it promotes getting lucky with fragments or otherwise. It promotes lining your pockets with more selector sales, even though they're a "rare item". This is an anti-consumer friendly choice and you guys damn well know it.

BigManOnCampus

Some youtubers like instigate , and make this seem like a real problem ..

Demonzfyre

even so
I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?
I suspect it might be less an issue of delay, and more an issue of structure. Act 6 and Book 2 were originally envisioned as traditional end game content in my opinion. They were designed under the idea that if most players can't do it, too bad. But as the philosophy has changed to be more like everyone should *eventually* be able to do it, and the difficulty and rewards should be more of a graceful step up from Uncollected to Cav to beyond within that content, the title made less sense to embed within Book 2, because Book 2 would not place as high of a progressional burden.

At the risk of oversimplifying, I think Thronebreaker is intended to be an end game title (today, before future titles supplant it), but completing Act 6 and even Book 2 is no longer seen as only an end gamer's activity. So instead Kabam wanted to shift from a content-clearing title like Uncollected or Cav to something else that is more correlated with end game accomplishments, and rank 3 rank ups was the obvious next choice. But while content-clearing titles are pretty binary, either you did them or you didn't, rank ups are more hazy because different people rank up at different paces. Some players rank up quickly, some want to rank up more deliberately, and of course things like spending affect how much rank 3 resources a player might have independent of progress. So Kabam decided to ease off of "multiple rank 3s" as being the marker of an end game player for the purposes of the title, and require just one to make sure that the requirement wasn't so high that it cut off too many end game players from the title.
Pretty much how I feel. With the severe reduction in story content difficulty, there's not really too many other ways they can segment off sections of the playerbase besides also including a measure of roster strength/size.

I understand people not liking it but with the new direction in content design it's not surprising they also revisited title requirements
So explain to me how someone who has barely completed Act 6 belongs in that group while someone who has explored everything doesn't.
The likelihood of someone that has explored "everything" having zero R3 options is basically slim to none. Is it possible and are there probably a small number of people out there in that situation? Absolutely. It's not remotely going to be the norm or even slightly common
It doesn't have to be everything, there are so many players with no R3 that have explored Act 6. Why should people that lack the skill or time to do so be rewarded because their luck is good while those who do have the skill and/or time don't get rewarded because they aren't lucky?
They have to draw a line somewhere. An act 6 completion is barely much more tasking than getting cavalier now. The gap between the bottom of cavalier and the top is so massive its almost people playing different games.

I wish the title would have been behind 100% act 6 AND a R3 personally. They've given a much more lenient requirement. The fact that so many people are upset just shows you how easy it is to get a completion run done now.
Might I remind you that completing Act 6 and exploring is itself heavily Rng dependent as you need a lot of right Champs for it. Atleast setting the limit to completion is reasonable. I may partially disagree with the r3 thing but I feel they should instead set the limit to 5 r2s to make it more reasonable.
This entire game is built around RNG. I cannot fathom how some of you continue to play the game but fail to accept this

I couldn't agree more with this statement. There are people asking for the conditions to be 100% act 6 or abyss. If that were the case, we'd have people complaining about RNG of champions and they can't get the ones they need. If it's not one thing, it's another.

There isn't anything Kabam will do that will satisfy the community.

Demonzfyre

Even though I have a r3 6 star I think the requirement is unfair. I'm top 45 AQ and I still have about 6 members without r3 6 stars. I think that requirement needs to be removed unless you give out a full t5cc selector.

Give out a selector for people who completed act act 6 100%.

I thought you weren't bothered by it....😑

Odachi

Story progression should never be limited by factors outside of a users control. You would know that from the backlash of the gate restrictions in 6.2, but you haven't learned that forcing a restriction on account progression isn't a good option.

The argument of "This is aimed at people with teams of 6* Rank 3 as that's what Book 2 was going to require originally" is a really REALLY poor excuse. Take the feedback from the first Book 2 beta. It sucked. You changed it. The idea what a progression title should be aimed at any particular group is an awful idea, because it doesn't promote any form of skill, it promotes getting lucky with fragments or otherwise. It promotes lining your pockets with more selector sales, even though they're a "rare item". This is an anti-consumer friendly choice and you guys damn well know it.

Not really out of your control, you have the control to use t5cc on a champ you have. Oh, it's not doom or torch or fury? Was your first 5* rank 3 one of the highest rated champs in the game? T5cc is coming more and more, rank a champ, build a bridge and get over it.

Etjama

Story progression should never be limited by factors outside of a users control. You would know that from the backlash of the gate restrictions in 6.2, but you haven't learned that forcing a restriction on account progression isn't a good option.

The argument of "This is aimed at people with teams of 6* Rank 3 as that's what Book 2 was going to require originally" is a really REALLY poor excuse. Take the feedback from the first Book 2 beta. It sucked. You changed it. The idea what a progression title should be aimed at any particular group is an awful idea, because it doesn't promote any form of skill, it promotes getting lucky with fragments or otherwise. It promotes lining your pockets with more selector sales, even though they're a "rare item". This is an anti-consumer friendly choice and you guys damn well know it.
Not really out of your control, you have the control to use t5cc on a champ you have. Oh, it's not doom or torch or fury? Was your first 5* rank 3 one of the highest rated champs in the game? T5cc is coming more and more, rank a champ, build a bridge and get over it.

R3's are rare. So not many people use it on a champ they'll never use like you did.

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KDSuperFlash10

even so
I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?
I suspect it might be less an issue of delay, and more an issue of structure. Act 6 and Book 2 were originally envisioned as traditional end game content in my opinion. They were designed under the idea that if most players can't do it, too bad. But as the philosophy has changed to be more like everyone should *eventually* be able to do it, and the difficulty and rewards should be more of a graceful step up from Uncollected to Cav to beyond within that content, the title made less sense to embed within Book 2, because Book 2 would not place as high of a progressional burden.

At the risk of oversimplifying, I think Thronebreaker is intended to be an end game title (today, before future titles supplant it), but completing Act 6 and even Book 2 is no longer seen as only an end gamer's activity. So instead Kabam wanted to shift from a content-clearing title like Uncollected or Cav to something else that is more correlated with end game accomplishments, and rank 3 rank ups was the obvious next choice. But while content-clearing titles are pretty binary, either you did them or you didn't, rank ups are more hazy because different people rank up at different paces. Some players rank up quickly, some want to rank up more deliberately, and of course things like spending affect how much rank 3 resources a player might have independent of progress. So Kabam decided to ease off of "multiple rank 3s" as being the marker of an end game player for the purposes of the title, and require just one to make sure that the requirement wasn't so high that it cut off too many end game players from the title.
Pretty much how I feel. With the severe reduction in story content difficulty, there's not really too many other ways they can segment off sections of the playerbase besides also including a measure of roster strength/size.

I understand people not liking it but with the new direction in content design it's not surprising they also revisited title requirements
So explain to me how someone who has barely completed Act 6 belongs in that group while someone who has explored everything doesn't.
The likelihood of someone that has explored "everything" having zero R3 options is basically slim to none. Is it possible and are there probably a small number of people out there in that situation? Absolutely. It's not remotely going to be the norm or even slightly common
It doesn't have to be everything, there are so many players with no R3 that have explored Act 6. Why should people that lack the skill or time to do so be rewarded because their luck is good while those who do have the skill and/or time don't get rewarded because they aren't lucky?
They have to draw a line somewhere. An act 6 completion is barely much more tasking than getting cavalier now. The gap between the bottom of cavalier and the top is so massive its almost people playing different games.

I wish the title would have been behind 100% act 6 AND a R3 personally. They've given a much more lenient requirement. The fact that so many people are upset just shows you how easy it is to get a completion run done now.
Might I remind you that completing Act 6 and exploring is itself heavily Rng dependent as you need a lot of right Champs for it. Atleast setting the limit to completion is reasonable. I may partially disagree with the r3 thing but I feel they should instead set the limit to 5 r2s to make it more reasonable.
This entire game is built around RNG. I cannot fathom how some of you continue to play the game but fail to accept this
I couldn't agree more with this statement. There are people asking for the conditions to be 100% act 6 or abyss. If that were the case, we'd have people complaining about RNG of champions and they can't get the ones they need. If it's not one thing, it's another.

There isn't anything Kabam will do that will satisfy the community.

Even though I have a r3 6 star I think the requirement is unfair. I'm top 45 AQ and I still have about 6 members without r3 6 stars. I think that requirement needs to be removed unless you give out a full t5cc selector.

Give out a selector for people who completed act act 6 100%.
I thought you weren't bothered by it....😑

Do you ever agree with the players?

rischio

Actually hold on. In my first post I said the second requirement (if any), should be initial abyss completion. But honestly, if they're "Aiming this title at those who 100% abyss", MAKE IT THAT. Make it initial completion of act 6, and 100% Abyss. YOU CAN DO 100% ABYSS WITHOUT ANY 6 STARS AT ALL. You guys are trying to lock this title behind spending or extreme luck, and are doing a poor job defending it.

Soooo wrong. You CANNOT 100% abyss without Ægon. So it is not only RNG based, it's SINGLE-character-duped-high-sig-based.

Or 7 star unit man.

RakeYoung

I'm not gonna lie, i was salty asf at first.

but the more i think about it, i've been exploring Act6 randomly out of boredom, but this actually gives me something to work towards.

granted out of 28 6*'s i only have 1 Science champ in Ghulk and of all my skill and mystic 6* champs none are worth ranking.

the game is about Patience and Progression, i dont like the fact that i dont get the instant gratification of the upgraded crystals right away, but i am i now motivated to get my Abyss first clear in.

i shouldnt be on the same level as people like Lagacy or MSD that have explored all of the game.

there should be a next step up otherwise the game gets stale.

DarkEternity

Actually hold on. In my first post I said the second requirement (if any), should be initial abyss completion. But honestly, if they're "Aiming this title at those who 100% abyss", MAKE IT THAT. Make it initial completion of act 6, and 100% Abyss. YOU CAN DO 100% ABYSS WITHOUT ANY 6 STARS AT ALL. You guys are trying to lock this title behind spending or extreme luck, and are doing a poor job defending it.
Soooo wrong. You CANNOT 100% abyss without Ægon. So it is not only RNG based, it's SINGLE character, duped high sig based.

Or 7 star unit man.

I concur, I know of a few people who did it with Ghost and I know that Swedeah did it with She-Hulk.

Etjama

Actually hold on. In my first post I said the second requirement (if any), should be initial abyss completion. But honestly, if they're "Aiming this title at those who 100% abyss", MAKE IT THAT. Make it initial completion of act 6, and 100% Abyss. YOU CAN DO 100% ABYSS WITHOUT ANY 6 STARS AT ALL. You guys are trying to lock this title behind spending or extreme luck, and are doing a poor job defending it.
Soooo wrong. You CANNOT 100% abyss without Ægon. So it is not only RNG based, it's SINGLE-character-duped-high-sig-based.

Or 7 star unit man.

Ægon's the cheapest route, not the only route. Tons of people have done Abyss without Ægon.

JAYJAY3001

😏

Lets Go !!!!! I hope the changes to the daily, 4hr and monthly calendar are good

KDSuperFlash10

even so
I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?
I suspect it might be less an issue of delay, and more an issue of structure. Act 6 and Book 2 were originally envisioned as traditional end game content in my opinion. They were designed under the idea that if most players can't do it, too bad. But as the philosophy has changed to be more like everyone should *eventually* be able to do it, and the difficulty and rewards should be more of a graceful step up from Uncollected to Cav to beyond within that content, the title made less sense to embed within Book 2, because Book 2 would not place as high of a progressional burden.

At the risk of oversimplifying, I think Thronebreaker is intended to be an end game title (today, before future titles supplant it), but completing Act 6 and even Book 2 is no longer seen as only an end gamer's activity. So instead Kabam wanted to shift from a content-clearing title like Uncollected or Cav to something else that is more correlated with end game accomplishments, and rank 3 rank ups was the obvious next choice. But while content-clearing titles are pretty binary, either you did them or you didn't, rank ups are more hazy because different people rank up at different paces. Some players rank up quickly, some want to rank up more deliberately, and of course things like spending affect how much rank 3 resources a player might have independent of progress. So Kabam decided to ease off of "multiple rank 3s" as being the marker of an end game player for the purposes of the title, and require just one to make sure that the requirement wasn't so high that it cut off too many end game players from the title.
Pretty much how I feel. With the severe reduction in story content difficulty, there's not really too many other ways they can segment off sections of the playerbase besides also including a measure of roster strength/size.

I understand people not liking it but with the new direction in content design it's not surprising they also revisited title requirements
So explain to me how someone who has barely completed Act 6 belongs in that group while someone who has explored everything doesn't.
The likelihood of someone that has explored "everything" having zero R3 options is basically slim to none. Is it possible and are there probably a small number of people out there in that situation? Absolutely. It's not remotely going to be the norm or even slightly common
It doesn't have to be everything, there are so many players with no R3 that have explored Act 6. Why should people that lack the skill or time to do so be rewarded because their luck is good while those who do have the skill and/or time don't get rewarded because they aren't lucky?
They have to draw a line somewhere. An act 6 completion is barely much more tasking than getting cavalier now. The gap between the bottom of cavalier and the top is so massive its almost people playing different games.

I wish the title would have been behind 100% act 6 AND a R3 personally. They've given a much more lenient requirement. The fact that so many people are upset just shows you how easy it is to get a completion run done now.
Might I remind you that completing Act 6 and exploring is itself heavily Rng dependent as you need a lot of right Champs for it. Atleast setting the limit to completion is reasonable. I may partially disagree with the r3 thing but I feel they should instead set the limit to 5 r2s to make it more reasonable.
This entire game is built around RNG. I cannot fathom how some of you continue to play the game but fail to accept this
I couldn't agree more with this statement. There are people asking for the conditions to be 100% act 6 or abyss. If that were the case, we'd have people complaining about RNG of champions and they can't get the ones they need. If it's not one thing, it's another.

There isn't anything Kabam will do that will satisfy the community.

Even though I have a r3 6 star I think the requirement is unfair. I'm top 45 AQ and I still have about 6 members without r3 6 stars. I think that requirement needs to be removed unless you give out a full t5cc selector.

Give out a selector for people who completed act act 6 100%.
I thought you weren't bothered by it....😑
Do you ever agree with the players?
Do you need to ask? Him and GW are the exact same person, dude. Damien sides with Kabam most of the time from what I've seen. He still sees that this is extremely stupid

Haha true, I should've known better

Jim0172

I'm glad my R3 doom will be good for something other then just prestige now!

KingKevin

This is an amazing day for MCOC. This will go down in history. The only aspect of the game that was skill based (progression) now relies on RNG and wallet size. A day to be celebrated.

P.S. Don't come at me saying I'm salty lol. I am getting the title. I have multiple r3 champs and have finished act 6. Just think its unfair for people who have done the required content (without the strongest champs available) and just got unlucky with openings get roadblocked with progression.

Valentinos13

I'm glad my R3 doom will be good for something other then just prestige now!

Yea, doom is just like thor rags, only good for his prestige

RU11011

Guess I'll have to save up for a R3 now... And beat the Grandmaster. And to think, I was feeling pretty epic with my shiny Cavalier title...