If Human Player can't do it then AI shouldn't either - Iron Man IW Autoblock

Dear Kabam,

Of course with a range of champs there will be some that are OP and some are weak, and some with more advantage than other. AI are meant to replicate what human players do (with some being more aggressive and other). I understand that Evade and Autoblock and just some mechanism the developer introduce to add challenges into the game. All fair enough, the question is balance

However when an AI are doing thing that human player can't do (or when champs are poorly design that the only you can only counter if you have certain champs), then that would consider as cheating and poorly design (from the developer side).

Iron Man IW - Autoblock a good example - The champion and Autoblock, while in the middle of taking hit from the SP. The game does not allow (or enable) human player to do that.

Easy Fix - just stop him from being able to Autoblock when it shouldn't be possible.

Thing - When he just doesn't throw SP - Most of the time, I can handle Thing with most champs, but occasionally, no matter what the AI just won't throw out SP, you then get stuck in the corner and can't throw a hit.

Easy Fix - Just increase the number of Rock Stack lost when Thing get hit (currently it is 3, just make it to 5), sure he get Unstoppable, but at least you have a chance to do a 5 hit combo on him before he get to 15 Stack again.

Korg - He is just a mess - Could do with review he overall.

Spider Qwen & Nightcrawler - Just come better indication of balance on the Evade.

Now I'm sure there are amazing players that will have less problem with these champs, however I speak more for the general 85% - 90% of players out these.

I'm not talking making the game easier, it is about a balance game and is fair. It is always fun to take down a challenging champs, but I feel like most players would find these champs annoying because they are unbalance and poorly design character.

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Bsweezy0821

Yeah enough of this I speak for 85-90% of the players out there... git gud noob
To put this point nicer, I miss the days when people just spoke on their own behalf and let good ideas speak for themself.
I was thinking of making it nicer, but it annoys me when people claim to speak for literally about a million or so people, yeah u really don’t buddy
I don't want this discussion to get closed down but yeah, I agree. People essentially try to give themselves more credibility and any who disagree less credibility by simply stating they speak for the overwhelming majority. It's cheap.

But I like I said, I think it's best we keep this discussion on track in case the OP or anyone else has any substantive counter points.

Yeah ur right, I’ll go put my nice hat back on

DRTO

IMIW: Venom, medusa, killmonger, corvus
Thing: Blade, gwenpool, nick fury, ronin, black widow
Korg: Magneto, omega red

There's plenty of counters for these champs. Yeah without the right champ they can be annoying but even then they are designed completely fine.

You do not speak for 85-90% of players, you only speak for yourself

In conclusion, just get gud

Fryday

Well thank you very much contribute your thoughts:-

Well each to their own and I just throw my little 2 cents in:-

I didn't say these champs can't be beat. Yes with a high skill, the right know how and the right counters it is not a big deal. Ghost, Quake, Cap MM, Nick Fury sure (and the newly buff Mag) all good. However what about all of those that isn't.

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.

May I ask with everyone replied, how many are below Uncollected, how are your Champs list and ranking.

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

I'm sure I'm not the top 10% of best player in the game (not even top 40% with seeing how some amazing Youtuber played), but I have able to get to Uncollected without units and have a decent amount of 4 and 5* (sadly only 1 x 6* and he is Ebony), and yes most of time I no problem with taking these champs on in Quest Mode (including Legendary Summer Showdown and had fun taken down Weapon X in Treasure Island Legendary).

But what about those other players that arent, those that just got a few decent 4 and 5*, and still grinding Arena, what happened when they jump into an Arena fight with IMIW, Korg and Spider Qwen, however to they get to pick the right counter then.

My view is that these Champion are not unbeatable, just that they are unfairly/poorly designed that create unenjoyable experience. Beating them is doable, but losing to them is annoy as it feel unfair (cheated)

Anyway those are my 2 cents, it is a shame that when people experience their opinion, some (just some not all) people have to jump on an personal attack player skills.

Anyway, however you may feel, hope everyone have a lovely day and stay safe.

Soyheyor123

Well thank you for very much contribute your thoughts:-

Well each to their own and I just throw my little 2 cents in:-

I didn't say these champs can't be beat. Yes with a high skill, the right know how and the right counters it is not a big deal. Ghost, Quake, Cap MM, Nick Fury sure (and the newly buff Mag) all good. However what about all of those that isn't.

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.

May I ask with everyone replied, how many are below Uncollected, how are your Champs list and ranking.

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

I'm sure I'm not the top 10% of best player in the game (not even top 40% with seeing how some amazing Youtuber played), but I have able to get to Uncollected without units and have a decent amount of 4 and 5* (sadly only 1 x 6* and he is Ebony), and yes most of time I no problem with taking these champs on in Quest Mode (including Legendary Summer Showdown and had fun taken down Weapon X in Treasure Island Legendary).

But what about those other players that arent, those that just got a few decent 4 and 5*, and still grinding Arena, what happened when they jump into an Arena fight with IMIW, Korg and Spider Qwen, however to they get to pick the right counter then.

My view is that these Champion are not unbeatable, just that they are unfairly/poorly designed that create unenjoyable experience. Beating them is doable, but losing to them is annoy as it feel unfair (cheated)

Anyway those are my 2 cents, it is a shame that when people experience their opinion, some (just some not all) people have to jump on an personal attack player skills.

Anyway, however you may feel, hope everyone have a lovely day and stay safe.

Well, then when you lose, u will search how to beat them, and learn how to play.

DRTO

That's the game, if you don't have the perfect counters for a certain champ, then you learn how to beat them with what you have. All the champs you've mentioned don't need the specific counters, yeah it makes it easier but they aren't necessary you simply need to learn the mechanics of the champ and then you can figure out how to get them down.

Like IMIW the key is really to heavy counter when he's in autoblock form, thing is just to keep track of his rock stacks, korg just only do light attacks until his rock shield is gone.

Thicco_Mode

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.

the only way the ai can do that is if he has auto block. Normally, they cannot do that. you can also use imiw to autoblock the opponent's special and attacks.

You don't always need a counter for a champ, especially in arena, when fights are usually never even double your pi. saying that it creates an unenjoyable experience is your opinion, and that's ok of you believe that. however, for many other people, it is fun because the fights are hard. what's the point in playing if every defender is like iron fist and you can parry five hit combo?

And regarding your skill, I don't mean to be rude, but from your comments, I think your seriously overestimate your own skill compared to other people's.

Mr_Platypus

Well thank you very much contribute your thoughts:-

Well each to their own and I just throw my little 2 cents in:-

I didn't say these champs can't be beat. Yes with a high skill, the right know how and the right counters it is not a big deal. Ghost, Quake, Cap MM, Nick Fury sure (and the newly buff Mag) all good. However what about all of those that isn't.

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.

May I ask with everyone replied, how many are below Uncollected, how are your Champs list and ranking.

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

I'm sure I'm not the top 10% of best player in the game (not even top 40% with seeing how some amazing Youtuber played), but I have able to get to Uncollected without units and have a decent amount of 4 and 5* (sadly only 1 x 6* and he is Ebony), and yes most of time I no problem with taking these champs on in Quest Mode (including Legendary Summer Showdown and had fun taken down Weapon X in Treasure Island Legendary).

But what about those other players that arent, those that just got a few decent 4 and 5*, and still grinding Arena, what happened when they jump into an Arena fight with IMIW, Korg and Spider Qwen, however to they get to pick the right counter then.

My view is that these Champion are not unbeatable, just that they are unfairly/poorly designed that create unenjoyable experience. Beating them is doable, but losing to them is annoy as it feel unfair (cheated)

Anyway those are my 2 cents, it is a shame that when people experience their opinion, some (just some not all) people have to jump on an personal attack player skills.

Anyway, however you may feel, hope everyone have a lovely day and stay safe.

You’re right in assuming the majority of forum users are likely in the top % of players.

However to assume that 90% of the player base thinks the same as you is just dumb, it’s probably closer to the bottom 10-20% if anything.

Also you can theoretically autoblock midway through a special attack with imiw when using him, it just requires him to have 4+ armour ups or almost dead. Just like when the AI uses him.

Demonzfyre

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.

It's possible but as a human player you are holding block. So you have to have the right circumstance for it to happen as a human player. You have to either have the right amount of Armor Ups or be below 15% with an armor up and then get hit by a special or regular hit.

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

I'm sure I'm not the top 10% of best player in the game (not even top 40% with seeing how some amazing Youtuber played), but I have able to get to Uncollected without units and have a decent amount of 4 and 5* (sadly only 1 x 6* and he is Ebony), and yes most of time I no problem with taking these champs on in Quest Mode (including Legendary Summer Showdown and had fun taken down Weapon X in Treasure Island Legendary).

I'd like to know where you are getting these percentages. You are really, really off base with them for sure. There is a really wide variety of people that are on these forums from casual to end-game but in the same instance, this forum community is a small fraction of the actual player base. Very small. You are way over exaggerating the numbers here. There isn't anything the A.I can do that a human player can't. Though it does seem like their reaction times are faster or that the defender (when they are passive like in arena, heroic or lower AQ maps) knows when you release block. Other than that, everything they do, you can do. It's just more about you as a human player, plays different than the A.I.

Lormif

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.
It's possible but as a human player you are holding block. So you have to have the right circumstance for it to happen as a human player. You have to either have the right amount of Armor Ups or be below 15% with an armor up and then get hit by a special or regular hit.

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

I'm sure I'm not the top 10% of best player in the game (not even top 40% with seeing how some amazing Youtuber played), but I have able to get to Uncollected without units and have a decent amount of 4 and 5* (sadly only 1 x 6* and he is Ebony), and yes most of time I no problem with taking these champs on in Quest Mode (including Legendary Summer Showdown and had fun taken down Weapon X in Treasure Island Legendary).
I'd like to know where you are getting these percentages. You are really, really off base with them for sure. There is a really wide variety of people that are on these forums from casual to end-game but in the same instance, this forum community is a small fraction of the actual player base. Very small. You are way over exaggerating the numbers here. There isn't anything the A.I can do that a human player can't. Though it does seem like their reaction times are faster or that the defender (when they are passive like in arena, heroic or lower AQ maps) knows when you release block. Other than that, everything they do, you can do. It's just more about you as a human player, plays different than the A.I.

There is 1 thing the AI can do that the players cannot do, HB defensive mode.

Lormif

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

The only person here claiming to represent anyone is you, so this question makes absolutely zero sense.

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Giuliameij

Autoblock can always trigger, even mid combo. Even a human player can 'do' that. If you get hit if you play with IMIW and go past the health points that trigger it. It also activates. Same with medusa, and evade champions.

If you want it to be more human like. Thing not throwing a special is actually realistic. If I was playing with Thing against another player. I would be stupid to throw my special when reaching 15 stacks.

Korg can be annoying. Be he isn`t THAT bad. He actually is balanced. He is very bad at offence. So he should be really good at defence.

All of these defenders you can learn to play. Either use a truestrike champ on IMIW, or make sure he is already blocking whenever you push him past his automatic autoblock health. Or stop attacking when he reaches 4 armors.

With Thing, sure, you can become unlucky. Or become a really good player and evade all his hits when he does go over 15 stacks by accident.

And Korg can be played around also. There are a lot of videos on how to counter these champs.

Iron_Patriot_is_lit

The entire basis of this argument is that human players can’t do what the AI can do. That’s false. The basis of your post as a whole is incorrect. This isn’t even an opinion, it’s a blatant lie. This is not a post that speaks for players below uncollected, this post is.

Gardener

The entire basis of this argument is that human players can’t do what the AI can do. That’s false. The basis of your post as a whole is incorrect. This isn’t even an opinion, it’s a blatant lie. This is not a post that speaks for players below uncollected, this post is.

you werent able to finish question the post is what?

Iron_Patriot_is_lit

The entire basis of this argument is that human players can’t do what the AI can do. That’s false. The basis of your post as a whole is incorrect. This isn’t even an opinion, it’s a blatant lie. This is not a post that speaks for players below uncollected, this post is.

Oh shoot i thought I finished it. This post is a misunderstanding of how this game works.

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Iron_Patriot_is_lit

That is why they exist. If you want a game to be easy, go play Candy Crush or something

The later missions of candy crush are brutal. That’s an insult to all the pain I’ve went through.

Demonzfyre

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.
It's possible but as a human player you are holding block. So you have to have the right circumstance for it to happen as a human player. You have to either have the right amount of Armor Ups or be below 15% with an armor up and then get hit by a special or regular hit.

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

I'm sure I'm not the top 10% of best player in the game (not even top 40% with seeing how some amazing Youtuber played), but I have able to get to Uncollected without units and have a decent amount of 4 and 5* (sadly only 1 x 6* and he is Ebony), and yes most of time I no problem with taking these champs on in Quest Mode (including Legendary Summer Showdown and had fun taken down Weapon X in Treasure Island Legendary).
I'd like to know where you are getting these percentages. You are really, really off base with them for sure. There is a really wide variety of people that are on these forums from casual to end-game but in the same instance, this forum community is a small fraction of the actual player base. Very small. You are way over exaggerating the numbers here. There isn't anything the A.I can do that a human player can't. Though it does seem like their reaction times are faster or that the defender (when they are passive like in arena, heroic or lower AQ maps) knows when you release block. Other than that, everything they do, you can do. It's just more about you as a human player, plays different than the A.I.
There is 1 thing the AI can do that the players cannot do, HB defensive mode.

That's true. Guess others would be champs like The Champion and Apocalypse who get abilities based on being on the last node.

Demonzfyre

Well thank you very much contribute your thoughts:-

Well each to their own and I just throw my little 2 cents in:-

I didn't say these champs can't be beat. Yes with a high skill, the right know how and the right counters it is not a big deal. Ghost, Quake, Cap MM, Nick Fury sure (and the newly buff Mag) all good. However what about all of those that isn't.

Please note that regarding Iron Man IW Autoblock, I mean that he can Autoblock while being hit from a SP. i.e I'm hitting him with my SP, he is getting hurt by it, and mid way (while my SP is still going) through he do Autoblock and counter. I don't believe human player can block/parrt while getting hit. If this is possible please share.

May I ask with everyone replied, how many are below Uncollected, how are your Champs list and ranking.

Most people that join the forum would most likely be the top 50% already, as I imagine those very casual players below that won't bother joining the forum. While some said that I might not speak for the 85 - 90% of player of MCOC, are you really representing the majority of players too. You guys are great players and that is awesome and I'm true impressed.

I'm sure I'm not the top 10% of best player in the game (not even top 40% with seeing how some amazing Youtuber played), but I have able to get to Uncollected without units and have a decent amount of 4 and 5* (sadly only 1 x 6* and he is Ebony), and yes most of time I no problem with taking these champs on in Quest Mode (including Legendary Summer Showdown and had fun taken down Weapon X in Treasure Island Legendary).

But what about those other players that arent, those that just got a few decent 4 and 5*, and still grinding Arena, what happened when they jump into an Arena fight with IMIW, Korg and Spider Qwen, however to they get to pick the right counter then.

My view is that these Champion are not unbeatable, just that they are unfairly/poorly designed that create unenjoyable experience. Beating them is doable, but losing to them is annoy as it feel unfair (cheated)

Anyway those are my 2 cents, it is a shame that when people experience their opinion, some (just some not all) people have to jump on an personal attack player skills.

Anyway, however you may feel, hope everyone have a lovely day and stay safe.

A human player cannot block mid-special attack if they initially got hit, but they can take advantage of the part of IMIW's toolkit that allows the champion to do this. In other words, it is not unique to the AI, it is unique to IMIW, and we can do the same.

Actually you can. Depends on the defender but you can. Takes timing but I've done it.

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