Dual Crystals are becoming a JOKE!

TrubluMate · October 2020

I’ve opened about 30 trying for Warlock or Corvus, pulled neither but scored a 6 star Corvus out of a random cav.
RNG.....

Syndicated · October 2020

Just be patient, some day men, i keep looking for the Blonde at right, and, Will keep her Chase

Aztec · October 2020

30crystal skill mutant no aegon. give up. then I open 30 cavs, got 1 5 star aegon

PapaMidnite999 · October 2020

I go for basics if that was the case

Giuliameij · October 2020

Joker1976 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Duff12475 said:

Lormif said:
you expect to open 25-30 crystals and be guaranteed the champ you want out of what 60 champs?
To be honest, it's not that i EXPECT to get the champ i want, but I do not expect to get the same champ this many times in this way. It deflates motivation 100000%. And what can be done about it? Nothing. I'd love to see the actual game code showing ACTUAL RNG rather than the **** some of get
How is exactly is it not showing actual RNG? Just curious to know how your experience isn't RNG.
Sorry bro I actually agree with him that somethings not right,..maybe it’s bugged like everything else in this game,..it’s like it locks into this repetitive thing. Had the same experience with the last featured crystals where I pulled Emma frost like 5 times over,..and same with dual skill / mutant it’s like rouge rouge rouge rouge rouge,..what kinda RNG is that lol,..wouldn’t ever happen for winning lottery #s and that’s RNG. I’m a skeptic would love to see it cause I don’t believe it to be true,...these crystals remind me of the record player where the needle gets stuck and keeps flipping back to the spot it was before,..over and over and over again.

That is because the chances of lottery numbers are way less likely to be the same. Because it contains a lot more numbers. If there are 50 champs in the cyrstal. The chances of getting the same champ after you pulled one is 1/50. Even if you only have lottery numbers with 3 digits (usually there is way more) it is already 1/1000 (add a 0 for every number you need more) And it might actually be more, I`m not a master at math.

Btw, who is this Rouge character you are talking about? Is she a sibling to Rogue?

Přìņče01 · October 2020

Ya mate i can understand looking for Quake HT or Doom since long time i think i have opened 15-20 as well maybe more haven't gotten any one of those
I did get vodoo and magic once but still none of the 3 i want
This time i m saving around 500K shards and will pop open lets see what happens

Rap · October 2020

I had the same thing happen only it was multiple tiers and multiple crystal types spitting out the same champ, over and over as 2s, 3s and 4s, over the space of two weeks...then is stopped after an update. With so many aspects of the game having glitches i see absolutely no reason that the rng cannot glitch.

GMAX77 · October 2020

I can relate. I opened so many dual mystic/science crystals looking for Dr.Doom the excitement began to wane. I really noticed it when I cracked open truly fantastic champs like Invisible Woman, Longshot, Cap IW, or Luke Cage and did not feel any immediate sense of excitement because they weren't "Doom". I took a break. Did a few Featured 5s from the Black Iso market, and even switched to Skill/Mutant for the last 2 crystals. Mixing it up restored the freshness and I think I'm going to save up 50,000 shards and try for Doom again. If I don't get him, I'll take a break for a bit and then repeat.

DRTO · October 2020

It's funny and sad at the same time that people still don't understand how RNG works

-sixate- · October 2020

It took me over 40 mutant/skill crystals to finally get Fury. I need to go after CMM too, but I want to get X out of the feature first. I hate the dual crystals, but it gives me better odds to get a champ I need so I'll still open them.

RiderofHell · October 2020

Opened 3 mutant/Skill and duped DDN.NC.Elektra all 3 were already duped 😡.

Back to regualr least there if i pull trash wouldnt hurt so much

KattohS · October 2020

Rap said:
I had the same thing happen only it was multiple tiers and multiple crystal types spitting out the same champ, over and over as 2s, 3s and 4s, over the space of two weeks...then is stopped after an update. With so many aspects of the game having glitches i see absolutely no reason that the rng cannot glitch.

That’s why I always say you get what they want you to get.

Nobody knows how RNG actually works in this game or even how to measure it. You “pop” a crystal you get a champ/item, you spin a crystal you get a champ/item. That’s all we know and are allowed to know.

Good ole RNG.

GinjabredMonsta · October 2020

KattohS said:

Rap said:
I had the same thing happen only it was multiple tiers and multiple crystal types spitting out the same champ, over and over as 2s, 3s and 4s, over the space of two weeks...then is stopped after an update. With so many aspects of the game having glitches i see absolutely no reason that the rng cannot glitch.
That’s why I always say you get what they want you to get.

Nobody knows how RNG actually works in this game or even how to measure it. You “pop” a crystal you get a champ/item, you spin a crystal you get a champ/item. That’s all we know and are allowed to know.

Good ole RNG.

Yeah, you spin or pop and get a random item. Good old RNGesus

DNA3000 · October 2020

Speedro420 said:

DrZola said:
Back of the envelope here, but assuming there are ~50 champs in the tech/cosmic dual pool, that means you have ~2% chance of pulling any one of them with each spin.

Across 25 dual class crystals, if you wanted just one of the champs, you’d have about a 40% chance of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals. If it was either of a pair of champs, your odds of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals improves to around 64%.

The calculation for pulling the same champ 6X over 25 dual crystal pulls is more complex, but it is fair to say that has a very, very low probability (I assume you mean 6X when you say your Goblin is now L120).

Repeated similar outcomes aren't impossible under pRNG systems. In fact, they may occur more so than we might think of as “normally random.”

While I do not doubt that some form of valid pRNG engine underpins the game, OP makes a point that is often made here: namely, that it “feels” like there are a lot of very rare results on the disadvantageous
side that pop up in game.

Observation bias? Something else? At some point, it is fruitless to speculate because we will never see the code.

But I will say that I empathize with OP, as does anyone else who has played this game for a period of time, because it does quite often seem like the odds aren’t in our favor—even when they should be.

Dr. Zola
This right here, I don’t ever see anyone pulling six Nick Furies out of 25 dual crystals but I’ve seen plenty of people who have pulled six agent venoms and six rogues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqHRQdmjdrg

Well now you've seen the hat trick in 5* and 6* crystals.

I'm kind of curious to know, without calculating, what people think the odds of this happening are. I'll bet almost no one guesses anything close to the right number.

Kbugii · October 2020

I’ve opened 44 mystic/science ones in search or doom but still no go. But hey I’ve gotten OG Cap 5 times and OG Spidey 3 times...

R_D_Jr · October 2020

I have done like 60 skill/mutant no aegon
Pulled storm x like 5 times

phil56201 · October 2020

If you are doing them 1 at a time, then yeah, your chances of pulling anything good are much lower. I tend to save up at least 90k shards and do a mass opening. I usually get at least 3 desired champion in the 2 classes I'm going for.

One example where a single pull netted me a desired champion:

Gotten most of the champions I've targeted doing it this way, Would still like a Torch, Quake, BWCV, and a couple others, but I'm happy with the payoff. I'm still only getting a 9/3 of trash to desired champion ratio, though.

phil56201 · October 2020

DNA3000 said:

Speedro420 said:

DrZola said:
Back of the envelope here, but assuming there are ~50 champs in the tech/cosmic dual pool, that means you have ~2% chance of pulling any one of them with each spin.

Across 25 dual class crystals, if you wanted just one of the champs, you’d have about a 40% chance of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals. If it was either of a pair of champs, your odds of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals improves to around 64%.

The calculation for pulling the same champ 6X over 25 dual crystal pulls is more complex, but it is fair to say that has a very, very low probability (I assume you mean 6X when you say your Goblin is now L120).

Repeated similar outcomes aren't impossible under pRNG systems. In fact, they may occur more so than we might think of as “normally random.”

While I do not doubt that some form of valid pRNG engine underpins the game, OP makes a point that is often made here: namely, that it “feels” like there are a lot of very rare results on the disadvantageous
side that pop up in game.

Observation bias? Something else? At some point, it is fruitless to speculate because we will never see the code.

But I will say that I empathize with OP, as does anyone else who has played this game for a period of time, because it does quite often seem like the odds aren’t in our favor—even when they should be.

Dr. Zola
This right here, I don’t ever see anyone pulling six Nick Furies out of 25 dual crystals but I’ve seen plenty of people who have pulled six agent venoms and six rogues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqHRQdmjdrg

Well now you've seen the hat trick in 5* and 6* crystals.

I'm kind of curious to know, without calculating, what people think the odds of this happening are. I'll bet almost no one guesses anything close to the right number.

Anywhere close to these?

Double Medusas and double IMIW were about a month apart last fall. But the double Rogues were on March 5th this year.

2 days later on the 7th I pulled a 5* Sentinel, and I guess you have to take my word on that one since I didn't get a screenshot (wasn't inclined), but the next day on the 8th which was the very next consecutive 5* opening, I pull him again lol.

I'm genuinely curious about the odds, both for your examples and mine. I could give so many more experiences, such as pulling six 4* Phoenix's (1st time pull, plus 5 additional dupes) within the month of Nov-Dec 2017, only to never pull her as a 4* ever again. Or pulling Dr Voodoo and Thor Rags together in three separate 4* openings (2-3 four stars at once) within 3-4 weeks of each other. I could go on and on, but since that's asking alot to take my word on all those, I'll just stick to the ones where I have some measure of Photo evidence.

danielmath · October 2020

Speedro420 said:

DrZola said:
Back of the envelope here, but assuming there are ~50 champs in the tech/cosmic dual pool, that means you have ~2% chance of pulling any one of them with each spin.

Across 25 dual class crystals, if you wanted just one of the champs, you’d have about a 40% chance of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals. If it was either of a pair of champs, your odds of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals improves to around 64%.

The calculation for pulling the same champ 6X over 25 dual crystal pulls is more complex, but it is fair to say that has a very, very low probability (I assume you mean 6X when you say your Goblin is now L120).

Repeated similar outcomes aren't impossible under pRNG systems. In fact, they may occur more so than we might think of as “normally random.”

While I do not doubt that some form of valid pRNG engine underpins the game, OP makes a point that is often made here: namely, that it “feels” like there are a lot of very rare results on the disadvantageous
side that pop up in game.

Observation bias? Something else? At some point, it is fruitless to speculate because we will never see the code.

But I will say that I empathize with OP, as does anyone else who has played this game for a period of time, because it does quite often seem like the odds aren’t in our favor—even when they should be.

Dr. Zola
This right here, I don’t ever see anyone pulling six Nick Furies out of 25 dual crystals but I’ve seen plenty of people who have pulled six agent venoms and six rogues.

We had a guy get 3 Nick’s in 5 crystals

Reece23 · October 2020

I’ve always believed theres RNG, but certain champs have a higher probability to be pulled. Hence back to back to back memes, but never anything useful.

My luck over all has just been awful, so maybe I’m biased but somehow I manage to just pull ****

phil56201 · October 2020

Reece23 said:
I’ve always believed theres RNG, but certain champs have a higher probability to be pulled. Hence back to back to back memes, but never anything useful.

My luck over all has just been awful, so maybe I’m biased but somehow I manage to just pull ****

The abundance of times Ive pulled the same champion back to back or at the same time does make me stop and do a double take but Ive pulled double memes, double god tiers and double mid tier champions, so in my experience of playing nearly 4 years, it can go either or any way.

odishika123 · October 2020

DNA3000 said:

Speedro420 said:

DrZola said:
Back of the envelope here, but assuming there are ~50 champs in the tech/cosmic dual pool, that means you have ~2% chance of pulling any one of them with each spin.

Across 25 dual class crystals, if you wanted just one of the champs, you’d have about a 40% chance of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals. If it was either of a pair of champs, your odds of pulling him or her once over 25 crystals improves to around 64%.

The calculation for pulling the same champ 6X over 25 dual crystal pulls is more complex, but it is fair to say that has a very, very low probability (I assume you mean 6X when you say your Goblin is now L120).

Repeated similar outcomes aren't impossible under pRNG systems. In fact, they may occur more so than we might think of as “normally random.”

While I do not doubt that some form of valid pRNG engine underpins the game, OP makes a point that is often made here: namely, that it “feels” like there are a lot of very rare results on the disadvantageous
side that pop up in game.

Observation bias? Something else? At some point, it is fruitless to speculate because we will never see the code.

But I will say that I empathize with OP, as does anyone else who has played this game for a period of time, because it does quite often seem like the odds aren’t in our favor—even when they should be.

Dr. Zola
This right here, I don’t ever see anyone pulling six Nick Furies out of 25 dual crystals but I’ve seen plenty of people who have pulled six agent venoms and six rogues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqHRQdmjdrg

Well now you've seen the hat trick in 5* and 6* crystals.

I'm kind of curious to know, without calculating, what people think the odds of this happening are. I'll bet almost no one guesses anything close to the right number.

Sorry bro

Zxch09 · October 2020

Idk why but I been getting a lot of duplicate champions from dual crystals lately

Dual Crystals are becoming a JOKE!

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