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Best Champs by Class Discussion - Mutant

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  • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Etjama said:



    Not enough to make me use him against non-metal champs when I don't need to. Especially since his utility isn't there.

    How does AA do in fights where you nuke his go to ability? If he can't bleed or poison he's functionally worthless.

    Mags at his worst is still elite.
    I wouldn't use him in bleed/poison immune fights. Same reason I wouldn't use Mags against non-metal champs. I'm not even arguing that Mags isn't amazing since I personally think Mags is better than AA because there are more troublesome Metal defenders than non-bleed/poison immune defenders to me. But you're ignoring the whole topic now which is AA vs. Domino. AA is a top option against 75% of champs while Domino is sub-optimal against all of the champs in the game.
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Etjama said:

    DalBot said:

    Etjama said:



    Not enough to make me use him against non-metal champs when I don't need to. Especially since his utility isn't there.

    How does AA do in fights where you nuke his go to ability? If he can't bleed or poison he's functionally worthless.

    Mags at his worst is still elite.
    I wouldn't use him in bleed/poison immune fights. Same reason I wouldn't use Mags against non-metal champs. I'm not even arguing that Mags isn't amazing since I personally think Mags is better than AA because there are more troublesome Metal defenders than non-bleed/poison immune defenders to me. But you're ignoring the whole topic now which is AA vs. Domino. AA is a top option against 75% of champs while Domino is sub-optimal against all of the champs in the game.
    Point being you can take Mags by himself anywhere and he will get the job done. AA, not so much.

    Also Domino "sub-optimal" πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Etjama said:

    DalBot said:

    Etjama said:



    Not enough to make me use him against non-metal champs when I don't need to. Especially since his utility isn't there.

    How does AA do in fights where you nuke his go to ability? If he can't bleed or poison he's functionally worthless.

    Mags at his worst is still elite.
    I wouldn't use him in bleed/poison immune fights. Same reason I wouldn't use Mags against non-metal champs. I'm not even arguing that Mags isn't amazing since I personally think Mags is better than AA because there are more troublesome Metal defenders than non-bleed/poison immune defenders to me. But you're ignoring the whole topic now which is AA vs. Domino. AA is a top option against 75% of champs while Domino is sub-optimal against all of the champs in the game.
    Point being you can take Mags by himself anywhere and he will get the job done. AA, not so much.

    Also Domino "sub-optimal" πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
    The point is that you wouldn't take magneto against non-metals because there are many other characters that would be better.

    And yes, domino is absolutely sub optimal, for anyone who is past act 5 where you begin to need utility over damage
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    And to be clear, Domino DOES NEED HER PARTNERS TO BE AT HER BEST. Never said she didn't. But how many quests are single champ? Red Hulk is one of the most underrated champs in the game and Masacre can be wild in the right hands.

    She also destroys poison/bleed immune champs as well as any other kind of champ out there. She doesn't have as many limitations as AA does.

    And let's not even get in to all the bleed/poison immune nodes in the game.
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    Etjama said:



    Not enough to make me use him against non-metal champs when I don't need to. Especially since his utility isn't there.

    How does AA do in fights where you nuke his go to ability? If he can't bleed or poison he's functionally worthless.

    Mags at his worst is still elite.
    Not true, he loses most of his useful abilities and is left with only damage. Utility > Damage every single time.
    Utility is bleed resistance, prowess and unstoppable. He'll still have all of those πŸ˜‰
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    And to be clear, Domino DOES NEED HER PARTNERS TO BE AT HER BEST. Never said she didn't. But how many quests are single champ? Red Hulk is one of the most underrated champs in the game and Masacre can be wild in the right hands.

    She also destroys poison/bleed immune champs as well as any other kind of champ out there. She doesn't have as many limitations as AA does.

    And let's not even get in to all the bleed/poison immune nodes in the game.

    She has no utility and is entirely reliant on crits, how is that better than someone who can completely shut down anyone who is not immune to bleed and poison?
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    And to be clear, Domino DOES NEED HER PARTNERS TO BE AT HER BEST. Never said she didn't. But how many quests are single champ? Red Hulk is one of the most underrated champs in the game and Masacre can be wild in the right hands.

    She also destroys poison/bleed immune champs as well as any other kind of champ out there. She doesn't have as many limitations as AA does.

    And let's not even get in to all the bleed/poison immune nodes in the game.

    She has no utility and is entirely reliant on crits, how is that better than someone who can completely shut down anyone who is not immune to bleed and poison?
    So you're saying she has no passive damage from critical failure and no lucky/unlucky mechanics that can alter the course of a fight?

    Last I checked those are utilities.

    Seems like everyone here just wants "point, click, kill" champs instead of learning their abilities or how to use them πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    Etjama said:



    Not enough to make me use him against non-metal champs when I don't need to. Especially since his utility isn't there.

    How does AA do in fights where you nuke his go to ability? If he can't bleed or poison he's functionally worthless.

    Mags at his worst is still elite.
    Not true, he loses most of his useful abilities and is left with only damage. Utility > Damage every single time.
    Utility is bleed resistance, prowess and unstoppable. He'll still have all of those πŸ˜‰
    Prowess isnt really utility, I guess It counts against buffed up but other than that it's just a damage mechanic. Still, the utility he does have is nothing compared to other champions
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Qacob said:



    Prowess isnt really utility, I guess It counts against buffed up but other than that it's just a damage mechanic. Still, the utility he does have is nothing compared to other champions

    If that's what you think I am going to guess that you are probably not playing at an end-game level.
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    With Mags there's also the fact that class disadvantage is a thing that doesn't exist for him.
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    And to be clear, Domino DOES NEED HER PARTNERS TO BE AT HER BEST. Never said she didn't. But how many quests are single champ? Red Hulk is one of the most underrated champs in the game and Masacre can be wild in the right hands.

    She also destroys poison/bleed immune champs as well as any other kind of champ out there. She doesn't have as many limitations as AA does.

    And let's not even get in to all the bleed/poison immune nodes in the game.

    She has no utility and is entirely reliant on crits, how is that better than someone who can completely shut down anyone who is not immune to bleed and poison?
    So you're saying she has no passive damage from critical failure and no lucky/unlucky mechanics that can alter the course of a fight?

    Last I checked those are utilities.

    Seems like everyone here just wants "point, click, kill" champs instead of learning their abilities or how to use them πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ
    But that's only a 15% ability accuracy reduction if I remember correctly. That has nothing on AA's well over 100%
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    With Mags there's also the fact that class disadvantage is a thing that doesn't exist for him.

    Only against metals, which is completely besides the point at hand
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    edited November 2020
    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    With Mags there's also the fact that class disadvantage is a thing that doesn't exist for him.

    Only against metals, which is completely besides the point at hand
    Which the Tech class is almost entirely metal so...
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    With Mags there's also the fact that class disadvantage is a thing that doesn't exist for him.

    Only against metals, which is completely besides the point at hand
    Nope
    This is new levels of dumb

    It very clearly says "[Magnet]" in bright yellow text πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    With Mags there's also the fact that class disadvantage is a thing that doesn't exist for him.

    Only against metals, which is completely besides the point at hand
    Which the Tech class is almost entirely metal so...
    Oooh you realised you were wrong and edited your post, sorry for exposing you bud
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Qacob said:



    Oooh you realised you were wrong and edited your post, sorry for exposing you bud

    Quick: list the non-metal Tech champs other than the Guardians group 🎀
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:



    Oooh you realised you were wrong and edited your post, sorry for exposing you bud

    Quick: list the non-metal Tech champs other than the Guardians group 🎀
    But we're talking about magneto against non-metals. Look, stop trying to save yourself, you're just digging deeper.
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:



    Oooh you realised you were wrong and edited your post, sorry for exposing you bud

    Quick: list the non-metal Tech champs other than the Guardians group 🎀
    But we're talking about magneto against non-metals. Look, stop trying to save yourself, you're just digging deeper.
    And yet you're the guy who insists he doesn't nullify class disadvantage. That applies to notoriously tough fights such as Rocket, Star Lord and Yondu exclusively πŸ˜‚
  • Unio77Unio77 Posts: 2,520 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    It's pretty simple, collosus

    I rest my case
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    edited November 2020
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:



    Oooh you realised you were wrong and edited your post, sorry for exposing you bud

    Quick: list the non-metal Tech champs other than the Guardians group 🎀
    But we're talking about magneto against non-metals. Look, stop trying to save yourself, you're just digging deeper.
    And yet you're the guy who insists he doesn't nullify class disadvantage. That applies to notoriously tough fights such as Rocket, Star Lord and Yondu exclusively πŸ˜‚
    I am not saying that at all.

    You said:
    DalBot said:



    With Mags there's also the fact that class disadvantage is a thing that doesn't exist for him.

    In a discussion about magneto against non-metals. That is an ability which only applies to metals, therefore your point is irrelevant. Then you realised you were wrong and now your digging to the centre of the world trying to save yourself. Stop being so childish and admit you were wrong and get back to the discussion at hand
  • Unio77Unio77 Posts: 2,520 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Oh my days, we've got somebody acting as if they have have a major in MCoC when in fact they dropped out of highschool

    Try educating yourself before you educate others
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Unio77 said:

    Oh my days, we've got somebody acting as if they have have a major in MCoC when in fact they dropped out of highschool

    Try educating yourself before you educate others

    Clearly these guys are those who know everything about this game πŸ€”
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    Unio77 said:

    It's pretty simple, collosus

    I rest my case

    Without suicides, definitely
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Unio77 said:

    Oh my days, we've got somebody acting as if they have have a major in MCoC when in fact they dropped out of highschool

    Try educating yourself before you educate others

    Clearly these guys are those who know everything about this game πŸ€”
    Clearly you have the mental age of a 7 year old. Grow up.
  • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Unio77 said:

    Oh my days, we've got somebody acting as if they have have a major in MCoC when in fact they dropped out of highschool

    Try educating yourself before you educate others

    Clearly these guys are those who know everything about this game πŸ€”
    So what? They know what they're talking about while you obviously have no idea...
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,253 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Unio77 said:

    Oh my days, we've got somebody acting as if they have have a major in MCoC when in fact they dropped out of highschool

    Try educating yourself before you educate others

    Clearly these guys are those who know everything about this game πŸ€”
    Go on then, make a poll, if I know nothing then surely everyone will disagree with me no?
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,616 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Etjama said:

    DalBot said:

    Unio77 said:

    Oh my days, we've got somebody acting as if they have have a major in MCoC when in fact they dropped out of highschool

    Try educating yourself before you educate others

    Clearly these guys are those who know everything about this game πŸ€”
    So what? They know what they're talking about while you obviously have no idea...
    Says yet another non end-game player.

    If you haven't played the toughest of the tough content, maybe you're not talking from actual experience.
  • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Qacob said:

    DalBot said:

    And to be clear, Domino DOES NEED HER PARTNERS TO BE AT HER BEST. Never said she didn't. But how many quests are single champ? Red Hulk is one of the most underrated champs in the game and Masacre can be wild in the right hands.

    She also destroys poison/bleed immune champs as well as any other kind of champ out there. She doesn't have as many limitations as AA does.

    And let's not even get in to all the bleed/poison immune nodes in the game.

    She has no utility and is entirely reliant on crits, how is that better than someone who can completely shut down anyone who is not immune to bleed and poison?
    So you're saying she has no passive damage from critical failure and no lucky/unlucky mechanics that can alter the course of a fight?

    Last I checked those are utilities.

    Seems like everyone here just wants "point, click, kill" champs instead of learning their abilities or how to use them πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ
    How tf is crit a small amount of crit fail damage utility? And lukcy/unlucky is kinda nice to have, but it's not reliable utility so it means nothing. If you need AAR to shut down an opponent's, I hope you're not relying on 15% AAR.
  • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Omega
    DalBot said:

    Etjama said:

    DalBot said:

    Unio77 said:

    Oh my days, we've got somebody acting as if they have have a major in MCoC when in fact they dropped out of highschool

    Try educating yourself before you educate others

    Clearly these guys are those who know everything about this game πŸ€”
    So what? They know what they're talking about while you obviously have no idea...
    Says yet another non end-game player.

    If you haven't played the toughest of the tough content, maybe you're not talking from actual experience.
    My actual experience as a human being gives me a moron compass... it's pointing directly at you, the guy who obviously wouldn't be where he's at in the game without spending, but has the audacity to criticize the people that actually know what they're talking about. If you don't trust us "Non-Endgame" players, take a look at all the Endgame players who share our opinion. Experience means nothing without a brain, sorry to tell you.
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