Who should I awaken between void and archangel?

Have a generic gem and undecided between the two.

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Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.
Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.
Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?
All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.
Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.
Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.

Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Void doesn't need despair either. And he benefits to a relatively lesser extent than Torch does.

I'm also not saying that Warlock can't do that electro, but Void can without needing to take chip damage.

Also yes, this thread is about AA and Void. It's you guys that brought up the other stuff.

Lastly, it's a poll. The results say a lot already. At this point, we're probably just confusing the OP with our "advice".
We guys brought up the other stuff ?! I just said he didn't need void that much right now.So he would be better off ranking up AA.You were the one who took it personal and started arguing.

Might not have been you in particular that brought up the other champs first, I'm just trying to say that there's a lot of utility that Void possesses which would require a relative multitude of other champs to match. And even then, he's more or less better for the job.

Besides, you didn't even mention AA once in your first post.

Berjibs

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Your love of warlock equals mine. We are warlock bros man. How did you kill that adaptoid boss with warlock? I am stuck there myself. I tried with blade but I just couldn't do the dex in the corner thing.
I was planning to use quake in that fight but if warlock can do that fight more easily it would be helpful for me.
Bait heavies and heavy counter mainly.

Hyperion is also a great counter, do you have him? A maxed 4* can do it.

Yeah I have hype . Would take him as well.
But sometimes adaptoid is too aggressive for me to gain 3 bars of power.

The idea is to intercept him using your sp1, the incinerates melt him so fast. You don’t need to drop sp3 first but if you can dance around and do it at the beginning to get the cosmic charges you’ll get the fight down quicker. Only need one sp3 really, if at all.

Kill_Grey

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Mauled

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.

Sarvanga1_

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Your love of warlock equals mine. We are warlock bros man. How did you kill that adaptoid boss with warlock? I am stuck there myself. I tried with blade but I just couldn't do the dex in the corner thing.
I was planning to use quake in that fight but if warlock can do that fight more easily it would be helpful for me.
Bait heavies and heavy counter mainly.

Hyperion is also a great counter, do you have him? A maxed 4* can do it.

Yeah I have hype . Would take him as well.
But sometimes adaptoid is too aggressive for me to gain 3 bars of power.
The idea is to intercept him using your sp1, the incinerates melt him so fast. You don’t need to drop sp3 first but if you can dance around and do it at the beginning to get the cosmic charges you’ll get the fight down quicker. Only need one sp3 really, if at all.

Yeah that only. He destroys me before I can do that once. But I will try again.

Sarvanga1_

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.

Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.

Kill_Grey

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.
Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.

Do you even have a rank 5 Void?

Sarvanga1_

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.
Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.
Do you even have a rank 5 Void?

I have the whole science trio void, cap iw, torch as 4* and I have used them pretty much extensively. I know what I am talking about.

Kill_Grey

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.
Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.
Do you even have a rank 5 Void?
I have the whole science trio void, cap iw, torch as 4* and I have used them pretty much extensively. I know what I am talking about.

For the fact that they're 4*s means you haven't done so in act 6. So you haven't used them (void in particular) "extensively" enough.

Sarvanga1_

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.
Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.
Do you even have a rank 5 Void?
I have the whole science trio void, cap iw, torch as 4* and I have used them pretty much extensively. I know what I am talking about.
For the fact that they're 4*s means you haven't done so in act 6. So you haven't used them (void in particular) "extensively" enough.

But I know what they can do and what are their limitations.

shield456

Both r amazing but ill choose void because he is a monster

Mauled

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.
Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.

Void, Cap, Torch, Warlock all do very different things.
I use Cap primarily for unstoppable, armour break and the odd bit of heal reversal.
Torch mystics and the odd evade match
Warlock is for annoying mutants and lionheart.
Void for heal reversal, evade, and virtually every irritating matchup you can just slow play and he wins 9/10.
Void fills a big gap in his roster, AA does not.

Kill_Grey

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.
Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.
Do you even have a rank 5 Void?
I have the whole science trio void, cap iw, torch as 4* and I have used them pretty much extensively. I know what I am talking about.
For the fact that they're 4*s means you haven't done so in act 6. So you haven't used them (void in particular) "extensively" enough.
But I know what they can do and what are their limitations.

Understandable, but there's a lot going on in act 6 that you'll find that Void counters more effectively than most.

shield456

Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

No void is better and needs awakening and rank up asap

Sarvanga1_

I think I would go with Void, if you can sig him up. He’s the best champ for 6.2.5 exploration by a country mile and while he’s not the most exciting champion to play he’s definitely one of the best workhorses in the game.

AA brings heal block and 25% AAR at sig1 which is enough IMO, obviously higher is better. But even unawakened he’s got some of the best potion farming potential and he’s awesome in Act 6 but I used Void far more.
Yeah that's why I also voted for void but see his roster . He doesn't need void that much.
Void, Cap, Torch, Warlock all do very different things.
I use Cap primarily for unstoppable, armour break and the odd bit of heal reversal.
Torch mystics and the odd evade match
Warlock is for annoying mutants and lionheart.
Void for heal reversal, evade, and virtually every irritating matchup you can just slow play and he wins 9/10.
Void fills a big gap in his roster, AA does not.

His roster lacks AAR. He has champs for heal and power control. But it's the op's decision at last. Both void and AA are beasts in their own right.

Berjibs

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Sarvanga1_

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

My man here says it all.
Also to the OP I would say that post the roster with the question so that people could give you correct opinions.Look how I chose the wrong champ because I didn't know your roster.

Kill_Grey

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.

Sarvanga1_

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.

If you were on our side why you were arguing with us? I am confused.🤔

Kill_Grey

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.
If you were on our side why you were arguing with us? I am confused.🤔

Lol, not necessarily so. I just jumped in because it felt like AA had left the chat, then Warlock and torch suddenly joined in to challenge Void for the gem or something 🤷🏾‍♂️

Berjibs

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.

Thanks dude. Not much of a veteran though, just 2 years in and I reckon we are probably pretty close in reality with the accounts.

Sarvanga1_

The tiebreaker has been given by the one and only @Kill_Grey

Kill_Grey

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.
Thanks dude. Not much of a veteran though, just 2 years in and I reckon we are probably pretty close in reality with the accounts.

Probably. I'm not quite at a rank 3 yet tho, lol.

Sarvanga1_

Unfortunately it has been tied again.

pseudosane

@Aleor how does void cover more fights? Isnt he only used for regen/power gain fights?

I put void is one of the most versatile characters in game. Given enough time, he gets past nearly everything. IN act6 exploration, he is by far my most used champ. I use him and KM together constantly in war. I even used him a lot of abyss exploration. One just needs to watch how much Brian Grant uses void to understand his utility. While AA is amazing in his own right, void has very very few bad matchups. He can bypass so much with his kit.

Etjama

Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I'm actually going to agree with @Sarvanga1_ here. No offense, but you don't have the most diverse roster. Taking a look, you already have a strong Science champ, Warlock to deal with healing and he can work for evade along with Iceman. Torch can work when you need heal reversal, and Magik for power gain. But I don't see a good AAR champ and your strongest Mutant is losing value. I'd awaken AA.

Kill_Grey

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.
Thanks dude. Not much of a veteran though, just 2 years in and I reckon we are probably pretty close in reality with the accounts.

Probably. I'm not quite at a rank 3 yet tho, lol.

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Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.
Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.
Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?
All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.
Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.
Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.

Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Void doesn't need despair either. And he benefits to a relatively lesser extent than Torch does.

I'm also not saying that Warlock can't do that electro, but Void can without needing to take chip damage.

Also yes, this thread is about AA and Void. It's you guys that brought up the other stuff.

Lastly, it's a poll. The results say a lot already. At this point, we're probably just confusing the OP with our "advice".
We guys brought up the other stuff ?! I just said he didn't need void that much right now.So he would be better off ranking up AA.You were the one who took it personal and started arguing.
Might not have been you in particular that brought up the other champs first, I'm just trying to say that there's a lot of utility that Void possesses which would require a relative multitude of other champs to match. And even then, he's more or less better for the job.

Besides, you didn't even mention AA once in your first post.

Well, here it is, finally.

Sarvanga1_

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.
Thanks dude. Not much of a veteran though, just 2 years in and I reckon we are probably pretty close in reality with the accounts.

Probably. I'm not quite at a rank 3 yet tho, lol.
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Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.
Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.
Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?
All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.
Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.
Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.

Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Void doesn't need despair either. And he benefits to a relatively lesser extent than Torch does.

I'm also not saying that Warlock can't do that electro, but Void can without needing to take chip damage.

Also yes, this thread is about AA and Void. It's you guys that brought up the other stuff.

Lastly, it's a poll. The results say a lot already. At this point, we're probably just confusing the OP with our "advice".
We guys brought up the other stuff ?! I just said he didn't need void that much right now.So he would be better off ranking up AA.You were the one who took it personal and started arguing.
Might not have been you in particular that brought up the other champs first, I'm just trying to say that there's a lot of utility that Void possesses which would require a relative multitude of other champs to match. And even then, he's more or less better for the job.

Besides, you didn't even mention AA once in your first post.
Well, here it is, finally.

Well it is implicit that when I am telling you don't need void it means you should go for AA. You just get too emotional about your
champs that you can't even understand the simplest of things.

Kill_Grey

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.
Thanks dude. Not much of a veteran though, just 2 years in and I reckon we are probably pretty close in reality with the accounts.

Probably. I'm not quite at a rank 3 yet tho, lol.
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Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.
Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.
Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?
All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.
Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.
Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.

Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Void doesn't need despair either. And he benefits to a relatively lesser extent than Torch does.

I'm also not saying that Warlock can't do that electro, but Void can without needing to take chip damage.

Also yes, this thread is about AA and Void. It's you guys that brought up the other stuff.

Lastly, it's a poll. The results say a lot already. At this point, we're probably just confusing the OP with our "advice".
We guys brought up the other stuff ?! I just said he didn't need void that much right now.So he would be better off ranking up AA.You were the one who took it personal and started arguing.
Might not have been you in particular that brought up the other champs first, I'm just trying to say that there's a lot of utility that Void possesses which would require a relative multitude of other champs to match. And even then, he's more or less better for the job.

Besides, you didn't even mention AA once in your first post.
Well, here it is, finally.
Well it is implicit that when I am telling you don't need void it means you should go for AA. You just get too emotional about your
champs that you can't even understand the simplest of things.

I could say the exact same thing about you. I hope you at least realize that.

Sarvanga1_

@Kill_Grey I’ve got warlock r5, torch r3 6*, magik r4, void r4, AA r5.

Void is r4 as I’ve not needed him really. Don’t really see what having him at r5 would add to the conversation. I’ve had him available through act 6.

Abyss done, act 6 done, all variants 100% bar v1 for reference. Not trying to say I’m the best player btw, I’m not, but have decent amount of stuff cleared.

Maybe I was doing it wrong clearing that content without void when I already had other options ranked up that covered it? 🤷🏽‍♂️

Fair enough I’ve not done 6.2 exploration yet, I’m gonna finish 3 and 4 first before going back to that turdfest. 😂

For me AA has been a much better investment, I took him up to 100ish and r5 before starting 6.3. Void has been an unnecessary use of resources thus far, post act 5 (which I did a huge amount of using 4* void btw).

Really the only point I’m trying to make here is void brings overwhelmingly duplicate utility to the OP. AA brings new, unique utility.

There no right answer. Duplicate utility is still useful utility when you are running 3 teams at the same time in various game modes. I’d prefer to open up my range of utility first however.

As usual it’s fun having such robust, detailed, passionate discussion with you. 👍

Well yes, I'm quite aware of how much farther than me you've gone in the game, and I respect your opinions and advise as a veteran player you are. But yeah, I kind of understand your stance in that regard. I also have AA and Void at rank 5, and I use archangel more of course. I would also agree that he should go AA first.

But yeah, it was also nice having another constructive discussion with you, my dude. And good luck in 6.2, it's a slugfest for sure.
Thanks dude. Not much of a veteran though, just 2 years in and I reckon we are probably pretty close in reality with the accounts.

Probably. I'm not quite at a rank 3 yet tho, lol.
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Torch and warlock can easily replace void for healing and they both finish fights much faster in most circumstances. Warlock punishes healing with powerdrain which enables you do do massive damage spamming heavies in the corner. MLM combos with torch is hardly taxing gameplay.

Warlock and torch don’t need despair allowing more aggressive mastery setups.

Magik can counter powergain.

Iceman, spidergwen or just decent gameplay can counter evade. I actually use warlock in evade matchups a lot as you can condense his damage down into single hits or two hit combos. I beat the green adaptoid for eg in v2 with him, one of the more annoying evade fights in the game.

You can beat mordo with most champs. If you need a fatigue debuff, void can still do that unduped.

Torch benefits from despair even more than Void does.
Depends on what your roster looks like and how many sigs you could put into Void.

I don't think you need void that much. You've got warlock and torch who cover all that void does and much more.
Lies! They can't counter evade, nor scenarios where you would need a fatigue debuff (like mordo). Torch's heal countering is situational, and depends on an aggressive playstyle, whereas Void can either be aggressive or passive, and still do a much better job than torch. Warlock just blocks, doesn't punish.
And since when can either torch or Warlock counter passive power gain?
All truths.
Warlock is a good evade counter not the best but void too isn't. Torch would smoke any mordo in the game and I have never seen any fight where you need fatigue debuff.
Warlock also has decent power control and also he has got magik so I don't think that passive power gain is a problem for him.
Do you guys not understand? You're basically saying that he needs 2-3 of those champs to fill the role of Void. Void can do what he does alone, and even better still.

Have you ever heard of 1% Regen electros? It's pretty much guaranteed that there's 1 or 2 in the game. Good luck using Torch or Warlock against them.
Torch doesn’t need despair. Read his abilities.

I’ve killed regen electro with warlock. Heavy spam and bleeds. Took damage but I killed him first and warlock can regen so all good.

Dude not saying void can’t do all that stuff but if you’ve already got it covered in your roster (which despite your protestations the OP does) then you can afford to invest in a champ like AA who does something you don’t have covered which is 100% ability reduction.

Ultimately it’s their decision, we are just trying to give good advice.

Void doesn't need despair either. And he benefits to a relatively lesser extent than Torch does.

I'm also not saying that Warlock can't do that electro, but Void can without needing to take chip damage.

Also yes, this thread is about AA and Void. It's you guys that brought up the other stuff.

Lastly, it's a poll. The results say a lot already. At this point, we're probably just confusing the OP with our "advice".
We guys brought up the other stuff ?! I just said he didn't need void that much right now.So he would be better off ranking up AA.You were the one who took it personal and started arguing.
Might not have been you in particular that brought up the other champs first, I'm just trying to say that there's a lot of utility that Void possesses which would require a relative multitude of other champs to match. And even then, he's more or less better for the job.

Besides, you didn't even mention AA once in your first post.
Well, here it is, finally.
Well it is implicit that when I am telling you don't need void it means you should go for AA. You just get too emotional about your
champs that you can't even understand the simplest of things.
I could say the exact same thing about you. I hope you at least realize that.

What? How? You were the one arguing he should upgrade void. I just named some champs that have common utilities with him. It incidentally happened to be warlock and torch and you got just fired up that I took their names.