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I’m glad the offers are tailored according to progression level. Any guesses on what throne breakers can expect?

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Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

Thanks for jumping in, Miike.

Dr. Zola

DNA3000

sorry I have to disagree. it gives them an out if you change progression but don't get the new deals

The reality of the situation is this behavior is and has always been unintended - we've known that since the beginning, except for the conspiracy nuts that always think there's a grand conspiracy to everything. Unintended behaviors are subject to change, and since they are unintended they could even change without a deliberate attempt to change them.

Kabam Miike is just informing you of reality. If you don't like to operate with that kind of imperfect information that's understandable, but that doesn't change the fact that that explanation is the only one you can get. If you see it as Kabam giving themselves an "out" if the behavior changes, that's your choice.

RyanGolf

sorry I have to disagree. it gives them an out if you change progression but don't get the new deals
The reality of the situation is this behavior is and has always been unintended - we've known that since the beginning, except for the conspiracy nuts that always think there's a grand conspiracy to everything. Unintended behaviors are subject to change, and since they are unintended they could even change without a deliberate attempt to change them.

Kabam Miike is just informing you of reality. If you don't like to operate with that kind of imperfect information that's understandable, but that doesn't change the fact that that explanation is the only one you can get. If you see it as Kabam giving themselves an "out" if the behavior changes, that's your choice.

did I miss the part where he said this is unintended? I've noticed a lot of people making assumptions. There were several posts in this thread that said you would not get the next tier if your progression changed and claimed it had been addressed before. the reply clearly says it was never addressed before

gp87

Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

If you give the chance to a player to buy cavalier & thronebraker crystals dont you think is unfair? Give the thronebraker tha chance to buy also the cavalier deals if they want.

Raichu626

1. You’re not supposed to tag mods and they don’t have to respond.
2. It’s literally bolded, blue, and all caps in the in game message that they will not change during the weekend.
3. No need to be an a**
Genuine question, if we aren't suppose to tag mods then why can we tag mods?

It would be really hard to implement, especially compared to just making it a rule not to do it. The mods are users of the forums, and like all users, they need to have a name. You can put an @ in front of that name to tag them. Getting around this would be unnecessarily complicated

Worknprogress

sorry I have to disagree. it gives them an out if you change progression but don't get the new deals
The reality of the situation is this behavior is and has always been unintended - we've known that since the beginning, except for the conspiracy nuts that always think there's a grand conspiracy to everything. Unintended behaviors are subject to change, and since they are unintended they could even change without a deliberate attempt to change them.

Kabam Miike is just informing you of reality. If you don't like to operate with that kind of imperfect information that's understandable, but that doesn't change the fact that that explanation is the only one you can get. If you see it as Kabam giving themselves an "out" if the behavior changes, that's your choice.
did I miss the part where he said this is unintended? I've noticed a lot of people making assumptions. There were several posts in this thread that said you would not get the next tier if your progression changed and claimed it had been addressed before. the reply clearly says it was never addressed before

Since it's clearly in his post, yes it seems you did miss it

Worknprogress

By his I mean Miike's

Raichu626

I keep wondering why it’s so hard for Kabam to be clear and accurate with their announcement. Not everybody first language is English. It’s really not that hard to clearly state . If you become uc/Cav/ throne once the deals start you won’t be able to get the new ones
Fyi, the game has different language settings...

I found nothing ambiguous about that message. The deals won't change once they drop. Which part of that is unclear?
"The deals won't change once they drop" and "You will only have access to one tier of deals based on your progression level on the time deals go live" are two different statements.
Can you see the difference yourself or would you like me to help you?

The first statement logically includes the second statement. I now know that I was wrong, but I don't think I was wrong to interpret the in-game message the way I did. Guess it wasn't very clear after all

(Also, the in game mail didn't say what I said that it said, so it wasn't as clear as I thought)

1_ShuNeu_1

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.

I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude

MaximusSavage

That's why I asked Miike. Thanks good sir

1_ShuNeu_1

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.

Furthermore “that’s how progression games work”

No it isn’t dude, why are you making these absolute statements?

You can spend your way to a stacked account which doesn’t show “skill to be worthy of getting the rank up rewards”
You’re so wrong dude the disagrees to agrees shows it

Idc what Kabam does, I wasn’t planning to spend this time anyway. But I sure as sht aren’t gonna spend real money to get worse rewards because I haven’t had the correct rng to r3 a 6*

That’s not what so ever a skill based system
You can buy a t5cc if you purchase all the deals - yea dude really showing you got the skills.
If it were a skill based system they should of make it
Complete act 6 or a run of abyss
Then be throne breaker

“If you like spend and stuff or get the correct rng you like rank up a champ, then like get more stuff to rank like more champs up and stuff” <your logic

Demonzfyre

sorry I have to disagree. it gives them an out if you change progression but don't get the new deals
The reality of the situation is this behavior is and has always been unintended - we've known that since the beginning, except for the conspiracy nuts that always think there's a grand conspiracy to everything. Unintended behaviors are subject to change, and since they are unintended they could even change without a deliberate attempt to change them.

Kabam Miike is just informing you of reality. If you don't like to operate with that kind of imperfect information that's understandable, but that doesn't change the fact that that explanation is the only one you can get. If you see it as Kabam giving themselves an "out" if the behavior changes, that's your choice.
did I miss the part where he said this is unintended? I've noticed a lot of people making assumptions. There were several posts in this thread that said you would not get the next tier if your progression changed and claimed it had been addressed before. the reply clearly says it was never addressed before

It was addressed before. It might not have been Miike that said it, but a mod said either during July 4th or the act 6 comp that it was not an intended action of changing progression tiers.

Charlie21540

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude

I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.

GroundedWisdom

There seems to be some confusion still, so let me reiterate. The ability to have access to the next Tier has never been an intended goal, and they've been upfront about that in the past. What Miike is saying is that you most likely will be able to (meaning they haven't likely intentionally prevented it from happening), but it's not guaranteed. So yes, it's not something we can expect or count on. It's never been a given.
The Email just means the Offers you see will be the same throughout the sale period. No more added later. What you see is what you get. It has no reference to becoming TB during the Sale.

BigKidScotty

I definitely would not want Thronebreaker deals decreased for those who worked(or payed) their way to a r3 6* and Act 6.4 completion. But if Cav deals are decreased, what’s the point of spending anything. I now understand that on July they had two teirs, one teir for low/mid Cavalier players, and one for endgame Cav players. Teir based deals should have rewards that could help you get to the next teir. My prediction is Kabam will decrease Cav deals to make Thronebreaker deals better. At this point the only thing Cav players should care about is T5CC and 6* shards. And if a good amount of those are not in the Cav deals, then why would any Cav player buy them? Might as well save your units and cash to complete the content, which is completely fine of course, but then again makes the Cav deals have no value. It’s suicide from a business point to only serve the top 10% and screw over anybody else that could also possibly make them money, which is why I hope they make the other deals actually worth it and my prediction is false. But knowing Kabam, they never let the whales down. All I am asking is make Cav deals a little bit better than last time. A good example is the 6* bundle from Fourth of July to be improved a little for Cav players. Because after all, we need 6* and T5CC to become Thronebreaker. More 5* shards and Nexus 5* are not the answer to everything. Especially for those on the brink of becoming Thronebreaker. Just my opinion on it.

Also, sorry for the long comment. Just had a lot I wanted to bring in the conversation.

Worknprogress

While I don’t purport to have specific knowledge, the language referring to deals not changing may very well refer to the fact there won’t be Cyber Monday deals—something often asked for and speculated about every year.

I can’t recall specifically, but I think there was a time when there were additional deals on Monday in the past. Someone can check me on that.
That's correct. A few years back there was a Black Friday deal and then a different Cyber Monday deal. Last year they just merged them all and had a single deal that was good for the entire four day weekend. I believe they used the same language last year as they are doing this year, saying the deals won't change during the weekend to signal that they aren't doing two separate deals.

However, last year if you changed progression during the weekend the deals you saw switched to the new progression deals. This was explained last year as the deals themselves didn't change, the player did and they started seeing the deals appropriate to their new progression. But that deals themselves didn't change during the weekend, to distinguish them from the past deals that did change from Friday to Monday.

I'm not saying there's a guarantee that changing progression will unlock the higher deals this year. I'm just saying it happened last year and my recollection is that Kabam described the deals "not changing" in basically the same way.
I'm pretty sure this is accurate which is why I said earlier that specification possibly was just in reference to there not being additional offers throughout the weekend. Like you said, it's just speculation based on past instances though
I found a pic of the 2019 in-game announcement:

The blue wording appears to be a cut and paste from last year, so it does seem to signify the change from 2018, not a change in the progression thing.

Again, not a guarantee. But this seems to definitely show at least that the wording in the announcement itself is not addressing progression change.

Oh nice, thanks for that.

BigPoppaCBONE

1. You’re not supposed to tag mods and they don’t have to respond.
2. It’s literally bolded, blue, and all caps in the in game message that they will not change during the weekend.
3. No need to be an a**
Genuine question, if we aren't suppose dto tag mods then why can we tag mods?

That's just something forum people say. Tag away if it's appropriate

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GAMEOVERJames

Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

Thanks for the clarification!

Psychoakuma

If you want TB deals guaranteed: become TB before the deals go live. If you don't want to rank up a champ (yet) to become TB, then its totally your call. Wait out for the deals and then if you prefer the TB deals then wait for others to post in forums that they were able to get the title, restart the game and get the TB deals and go for it. There's a chance the deals could be locked at Cav level for you, but most of the comments (incl from Kabam Miike) says that it shouldn't be locked, but its not guaranteed.

It's a case of risk and reward. If you want to risk waiting and potentially double dip or get the opportunity to re-think your rank up, that's your risk and you could potentially get better (dual) rewards.

If you hate the fact that you need an R3 to become TB, then don't R3 a champ. As TB is such a new title and aimed at end game players there shouldn't be an expectation that 30%-40% of the player base should be able to become TB within one month of its release. Kabam has probably got enough data to know that many players have in fact done one run of Abyss and completed Act 6 with a significant percentage of them holding back the rank up, hence the R3 restriction to ensure the title remains relatively exclusive, for the first couple of months anyway.

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MahMan999

Bye 18k units

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Worknprogress

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.
I humbly disagree with you... look let’s be real here skill can only get you so far in this game other then that it’s rng/ luck neither of which I have on my side....I have explored act 6 and got a skill t5cc and I have 0 use for it atm....and I’ve been grinding units for three weeks now for cyber weekend and possibly for my first abyss run if I can’t get a R3 just from the cav offers... I will try and get lucky with the 2 six stars and t5cc but most likely won’t... the thronebreaker title isnt solely tied to putting in effort... I know dudes in my ally and outside of my ally who have only bought stuff and haven’t come close to exploring act 6 or starting abyss yet that have their first r3 before me even tho I’ve done far more content than them... my six star roster is terrible besides Two or three champs one of which needs an awakening(void) it all comes down to six star luck at the end of the day and I have 0 of it atm past 10 all been misses. Nobody can say my roster isn’t developed enough bc I have 24 max five stars and I could have more but I don’t have any I want to rank atm. <<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029252/uploads/editor/mo/7vv6f3gk0ukz.png" alt="" />
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ll t

Yes, spending in a f2p game will get you more faster. That's how they fund the game, by selling time. It's not a charity and if you're not selling something people want, no one is going to buy it.

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Kabam Miike

Posting this again because it's getting lost.

Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

Worknprogress

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.
I humbly disagree with you... look let’s be real here skill can only get you so far in this game other then that it’s rng/ luck neither of which I have on my side....I have explored act 6 and got a skill t5cc and I have 0 use for it atm....and I’ve been grinding units for three weeks now for cyber weekend and possibly for my first abyss run if I can’t get a R3 just from the cav offers... I will try and get lucky with the 2 six stars and t5cc but most likely won’t... the thronebreaker title isnt solely tied to putting in effort... I know dudes in my ally and outside of my ally who have only bought stuff and haven’t come close to exploring act 6 or starting abyss yet that have their first r3 before me even tho I’ve done far more content than them... my six star roster is terrible besides Two or three champs one of which needs an awakening(void) it all comes down to six star luck at the end of the day and I have 0 of it atm past 10 all been misses. Nobody can say my roster isn’t developed enough bc I have 24 max five stars and I could have more but I don’t have any I want to rank atm. <<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029252/uploads/editor/mo/7vv6f3gk0ukz.png" alt="" />
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Yes, spending in a f2p game will get you more faster. That's how they fund the game, by selling time. It's not a charity and if you're not selling something people want, no one is going to buy it.
I’m aware man... that’s not my problem that spending gets u loads of good stuff that’s required for the game to keep on keeping on and for The quality Of it to stay high... my problem is when a person willing to drop loads of cash that’s just become cav and only completed 6.1 can have an opportunity at a 6 star r3 on cyber weekend or fourth if they whale out... while I who has done everything in the game accept abyss wont have a r3 before him... that’s a major flaw imo and everyone seems to just pass it over as “spending will obviously get you farther.” No it’s that kabam should put less rng in the rewards of the longest and hardest content in the game like abyss and act 6 exploration... honestly neither of which r that hard it’s more the length that’s painful.... you mention by “selling time” but then there are people including I Believe urself ( I may be mistaken Ab u tho pardon me if I am) who I’ve seen that said if you haven’t explored act 6 or abyss This isn’t meant for you... well look where I am everything accept abyss and no r3... I would’ve been happy if they locked it behind act 6 exploration so it actually relied on skill and time spent... but then there were ppl that say ppl will still complain who cares at least it isn’t locked behind rng

I actually said it should have been locked behind original Act 6 exploration or current and a R3. This was meant to separate the heavy spenders and grinders. It was supposed to be around 7.2 from what I think Miike said originally. By that time people were going to have multiple R3s just from getting through the content.

With the massive backlash to Act 6 and the amount of time it took them to adjust it, there was a large period of time that outside of alliance events there was a massive lack of high tier rewards people could earn. There's not much that could be done about that with how badly people wanted act 6 changed.

Myself and a lot of the people it seems they were targeting with the title explored Act 6 as it was originally and have been treading water since March. We've had R3s for months. They lowered the requirements to cover a larger percentage of the playerbase but it was brought down so low that a lot of people it's not aimed at thought it was. You've explored Act 6 which even today takes a large roster just due to niche requirements but it's still far easier than it was before. I get that it sucks but there are going to be people that have finished content that don't make the cut and those that haven't but do. I've been saying for months, if you want t5cc join a map 7 alliance with max modifiers. If people aren't doing that, they're slowing themselves down