Honestly, they could take back every single offer on the Odin and just put a 10% selector and I'd be fine...I'd also be throne breaker than and actually get a good offer afterwards but nope....I guess I'll just rank 5 Hawkeye since I have every other one of my good 5 star ranked 5 already...definitely don't want to start working on any of my 50 six stars...especially since 5 stars are definitely not on there way out...we have proof of this since they've stared giving out generic awakening for free, they would never do that if they weren't permanently relevant, fight???
Grounded, the game has been out of balance for years. It is the top 50 alliances and then there is everyone one else. That is 1500 players. You see it in any content related to prestige. Continuing offers like these is widening the gap. Let’s be honest here. This weekend wasn’t for the masses.
Other than AQ, what content is prestige based? I'm not trying to argue, just not sure if I'm missing something.
Looking at the deals most of the thought and consideration went to thronebreaker players.Cavalier players were an afterthought where are the t5cc selectors for those close to thronebreaker?The t5 basic catalysts was in the peters parkers offer and that was scrub amounts.At least now offer players who have spent cash,unit deals to get them the tier5 basics or whatever so they can get rank up materials.
Grounded, the game has been out of balance for years. It is the top 50 alliances and then there is everyone one else. That is 1500 players. You see it in any content related to prestige. Continuing offers like these is widening the gap. Let’s be honest here. This weekend wasn’t for the masses.
Other than AQ, what content is prestige based? I'm not trying to argue, just not sure if I'm missing something.
AQ is directly related, you are right, just so happens that high prestige AQ teams also have the high war ratings in AW. I was in one of the Master alliances before they had to make the changes to AW due to burnout. I don’t want to get off topic. Probably a better discussion in a different thread.
I always looked at these deals as a way to progress. I don’t value crystals as much as others. Rank up resources are more important for me. I don’t pretend to think everyone else is in the same boat as me. As I said in previous posts, I will wait until EQ and whatever the special event is to get another shot at getting the 1800 frags I need to r3 a champ. What is done is done.
Here's my thoughts on the Cyber Weekend deals: The deals this time are absolute garbage. I'd honestly rather have the 4th of July deals than these trash offers. First of all the odins. 6 star nexus, great didn't expect anything to change about that. T2A, 3 is only half of what it needs to take a 5 star up to rank 5. 10% T5CC, only 66% of what we got 5 months ago. What year are we in, 2019? The 5 star rank 4-5 gem is nice but since the game is pretty much in the '6 star meta' it would be better off as T5B and more T2A.
And I thought the money offer were the only bad offers, boy was I wrong. Of all the unit offers combined there is one singular T5B. Why would I spend 10k units (for the final offer) when I could do an initial run of the abyss and get 3x more T5B, a WHOLE T5CC and a 6 star awakening gem. All for a cheaper unit cost.
In conclusion, I'd rather have a repeat of July 4th. These offers are so bad that they've pushed me into the abyss (up to Mordo doing the first path for anyone that is interested) to get better rewards. I understand that there needs to be a gap between the Cavalier and Thronebreaker players and I agree with this gap. But I disagree that a) the gap between Cav and Thronebreaker is so astronomically large that it's hard for Cavs to catch up. And b) that Cav offers should be decreased just because there's a new title. Honestly Kabam, if you want players to either leave your game or stop spending, keep pulling jokes like these offers. I can tell you for sure that I won't be spending a single cent for a while now.
The Black Friday offers for cavaliers were very disappointing.
And Thronebreaker 10k Unit offer is an absolute joke.
6* featured crystal? Seriously? If I need this crystal, I will buy it in December. I don't need these champions. Why is there no choice as usual? The Nexus is much better. T5CC could be made 50% with one crystal.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Thank God they haven’t polluted the game by selling $50 t5cc selectors
You think those Sales don't add up to what's made available over time? They do. It's one of the biggest Sales of the year. What do you think happens if they add a bunch of Cats to it? What does that do to the progression of a large number of Players? Not only does it cease to be a progress separator, it also compounds their work to design content that meets the changes. There are limits to how much you can release and speed things up. Opening the floodgates all in one day would be more careless than trying to capitalize on the desire to buy.
Here's my thoughts on the Cyber Weekend deals: The deals this time are absolute garbage. I'd honestly rather have the 4th of July deals than these trash offers. First of all the odins. 6 star nexus, great didn't expect anything to change about that. T2A, 3 is only half of what it needs to take a 5 star up to rank 5. 10% T5CC, only 66% of what we got 5 months ago. What year are we in, 2019? The 5 star rank 4-5 gem is nice but since the game is pretty much in the '6 star meta' it would be better off as T5B and more T2A.
And I thought the money offer were the only bad offers, boy was I wrong. Of all the unit offers combined there is one singular T5B. Why would I spend 10k units (for the final offer) when I could do an initial run of the abyss and get 3x more T5B, a WHOLE T5CC and a 6 star awakening gem. All for a cheaper unit cost.
In conclusion, I'd rather have a repeat of July 4th. These offers are so bad that they've pushed me into the abyss (up to Mordo doing the first path for anyone that is interested) to get better rewards. I understand that there needs to be a gap between the Cavalier and Thronebreaker players and I agree with this gap. But I disagree that a) the gap between Cav and Thronebreaker is so astronomically large that it's hard for Cavs to catch up. And b) that Cav offers should be decreased just because there's a new title. Honestly Kabam, if you want players to either leave your game or stop spending, keep pulling jokes like these offers. I can tell you for sure that I won't be spending a single cent for a while now.
Yeah, everyone is scratching their head wondering what Kabam was thinking.
It is also some big name streamers, BG, Seatin, KT1 and the list goes on and on, and they just can't understand what Kabam was trying to do here. It is just s huge fail all around.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Thank God they haven’t polluted the game by selling $50 t5cc selectors
You think those Sales don't add up to what's made available over time? They do. It's one of the biggest Sales of the year. What do you think happens if they add a bunch of Cats to it? What does that do to the progression of a large number of Players? Not only does it cease to be a progress separator, it also compounds their work to design content that meets the changes. There are limits to how much you can release and speed things up. Opening the floodgates all in one day would be more careless than trying to capitalize on the desire to buy.
Which is why I’m glad they put the clamps on the game demographic that keeps dumping their wallets and pressing the team to design more challenging content.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Thank God they haven’t polluted the game by selling $50 t5cc selectors
You think those Sales don't add up to what's made available over time? They do. It's one of the biggest Sales of the year. What do you think happens if they add a bunch of Cats to it? What does that do to the progression of a large number of Players? Not only does it cease to be a progress separator, it also compounds their work to design content that meets the changes. There are limits to how much you can release and speed things up. Opening the floodgates all in one day would be more careless than trying to capitalize on the desire to buy.
Which is why I’m glad they put the clamps on the game demographic that keeps dumping their wallets and pressing the team to design more challenging content.
Dr. Zola
Only, the progress marker had to be made as such because the content had to be redesigned, because of that very push. Making it continually challenging to that demographic pushed the trajectory into the future beyond what people could grow into reasonably. So they had to move it from Act 7 into what it is now. That whole spending argument goes out the window when we're talking about a large number of Players who are wanting to spend to get to TB. This whole "cater to the spenders" argument holds water with perforated side walls. The bottom line is it's meant to take time to reach the Title, at least for some. Regardless of who agrees or not, only Ranking "approved" Champs is very much a choice. So the RNG argument only goes so far as amassing one Class and having a Champ of that Class. At least on paper. The amount of T5CC in the TB deals weren't game-breaking either. Could they have added more to the Cav deals? Perhaps. I don't understand the mixed up focus between UC and Cav. If I had to look at it objectively, it's more about closing the gap between UC and Cav so much as it is about pushing Cav to TB. In any event, it's meant to be something to work towards, not necessarily to buy it all in one weekend. The point that I was making is there IS a balance to the game. It's not just a myth, like Nibiru (Planet X). Things are done with a pace in mind. As much as people hated the requirement and expected it to be made easier with a few bucks, it's supposed to be something that is not easily achieved. Otherwise, there wouldn't be such an urge to get the Cats. Just because people say it's all just digital code thrown into the Meta willy-nilly doesn't mean there's no actual accounting for what it does to the system overall.
30 pages and kabam only had 1 post. really shows what they think about the community of cavs. only can say 1 thing, $ was better spent on other black friday events than a crappy kabam cyber weekend offers.
The Cavalier cyber weekend deal was underwhelming. Cavaliers are in the same rewards class as uncollected for Glory. No upgrade on Summoner’s Sigil for Cavaliers. You sent your message loud and clear to the folks grinding for T5CC shards, and it was the middle finger.
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Thank God they haven’t polluted the game by selling $50 t5cc selectors
You think those Sales don't add up to what's made available over time? They do. It's one of the biggest Sales of the year. What do you think happens if they add a bunch of Cats to it? What does that do to the progression of a large number of Players? Not only does it cease to be a progress separator, it also compounds their work to design content that meets the changes. There are limits to how much you can release and speed things up. Opening the floodgates all in one day would be more careless than trying to capitalize on the desire to buy.
Which is why I’m glad they put the clamps on the game demographic that keeps dumping their wallets and pressing the team to design more challenging content.
Dr. Zola
Only, the progress marker had to be made as such because the content had to be redesigned, because of that very push. Making it continually challenging to that demographic pushed the trajectory into the future beyond what people could grow into reasonably. So they had to move it from Act 7 into what it is now. That whole spending argument goes out the window when we're talking about a large number of Players who are wanting to spend to get to TB. This whole "cater to the spenders" argument holds water with perforated side walls. The bottom line is it's meant to take time to reach the Title, at least for some. Regardless of who agrees or not, only Ranking "approved" Champs is very much a choice. So the RNG argument only goes so far as amassing one Class and having a Champ of that Class. At least on paper. The amount of T5CC in the TB deals weren't game-breaking either. Could they have added more to the Cav deals? Perhaps. I don't understand the mixed up focus between UC and Cav. If I had to look at it objectively, it's more about closing the gap between UC and Cav so much as it is about pushing Cav to TB. In any event, it's meant to be something to work towards, not necessarily to buy it all in one weekend. The point that I was making is there IS a balance to the game. It's not just a myth, like Nibiru (Planet X). Things are done with a pace in mind. As much as people hated the requirement and expected it to be made easier with a few bucks, it's supposed to be something that is not easily achieved. Otherwise, there wouldn't be such an urge to get the Cats. Just because people say it's all just digital code thrown into the Meta willy-nilly doesn't mean there's no actual accounting for what it does to the system overall.
Do you have anything better to do with your energy, instead of sit on the forums here and bicker with people? Like dude give it a rest
Spending is only one aspect. If it was all just about money, they'd likely pollute the game with Sales for Class Cats. The game balance is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.
Thank God they haven’t polluted the game by selling $50 t5cc selectors
You think those Sales don't add up to what's made available over time? They do. It's one of the biggest Sales of the year. What do you think happens if they add a bunch of Cats to it? What does that do to the progression of a large number of Players? Not only does it cease to be a progress separator, it also compounds their work to design content that meets the changes. There are limits to how much you can release and speed things up. Opening the floodgates all in one day would be more careless than trying to capitalize on the desire to buy.
Which is why I’m glad they put the clamps on the game demographic that keeps dumping their wallets and pressing the team to design more challenging content.
Dr. Zola
Only, the progress marker had to be made as such because the content had to be redesigned because of that very push. Making it continually challenging to that demographic pushed the trajectory into the future beyond what people could grow into reasonably. So they had to move it from Act 7 into what it is now. That whole spending argument goes out the window when we're talking about a large number of Players who are wanting to spend to get to TB. This whole "cater to the spenders" argument holds water with perforated side walls. The bottom line is it's meant to take time to reach the Title, at least for some. Regardless of who agrees or not, only Ranking "approved" Champs is very much a choice. So the RNG argument only goes so far as amassing one Class and having a Champ of that Class. At least on paper. The amount of T5CC in the TB deals weren't game-breaking either. Could they have added more to the Cav deals? Perhaps. I don't understand the mixed up focus between UC and Cav. If I had to look at it objectively, it's more about closing the gap between UC and Cav so much as it is about pushing Cav to TB. In any event, it's meant to be something to work towards, not necessarily to buy it all in one weekend. The point that I was making is there IS a balance to the game. It's not just a myth, like Nibiru (Planet X). Things are done with a pace in mind. As much as people hated the requirement and expected it to be made easier with a few bucks, it's supposed to be something that is not easily achieved. Otherwise, there wouldn't be such an urge to get the Cats. Just because people say it's all just digital code thrown into the Meta willy-nilly doesn't mean there's no actual accounting for what it does to the system overall.
We agree the only gap of concern this weekend was that between UC and Cav. There are at least a couple of UC deals I’d love to have, which is absurd.
But I wonder...have you watched the sheer volume of TB openings from this weekend? Does that look like pacing or balance to you? Do you believe that’s happening among just the top 1500-ish accounts? I wonder what that does to the system overall...
Do you think droves of players haven’t already spent on multiple shard deals to form a single T5c prior to this weekend? Does that qualify as “achievement” in your mind? For that matter, why do you think the 10% selector keeps popping up the past few weeks?
Who are the people you talk to that say it’s “just digital code thrown into the Meta”? Who says the requirement ought to be made easier with a “few bucks”? Which of your mates laments not being able to “buy it all in one weekend”?
I don’t see any of that as the origin of the outrage here. There have already been nearly enough T5c selector deals to form a T5c from cash alone.
If you are a veteran who can play even marginally well, you’ve built up a steady flow of T5c shards from Variant, Cav EQ, early Act 6 explore and objectives that would further reduce the cash cost to top off a T5–without ever touching Abyss. Some lucky souls have likely been able to cobble a whole T5c together without spending, hitting Abyss or exploring more than a chapter of Act 6.
I think a lot of the anger arises from the sense that the game seemed to go out of its way to stick a thumb in the eyes of near-TBs one last time before they get the new title. That’s wrong in my opinion.
Some of those near-TBs will finally pull a decent 6* to match their T5c next month, and still more waves of near-TBs will progress organically as the next month or two provides more chances at playing (not paying) for T5 shards.
But today I think the only accounting being done is accounting for all the revenue won from a batch of over the top TB cash offers.
@GroundedWisdom don’t forget we are talking about players who beat act 6 already and earned the title. No one is asking you to sell the title. Just remove that silly RNG based six star R3 requirement from the throne Breaker title that makes no sense.
Dude is trolling at this point. Either works for Kabam or is just trolling. There are few times when one side is unequivocally right and this is one of those times. Kabam did a genuinely mean thing. I don't think people will forget this one for a while. Its genuinely a slap in the face to everyone who hasn't gotten both ends of the luck spectrum (good champ, right catalyst).
Wow Kabam you really shafted Cav players And thats me If I can’t get throne breaker this weekend I won’t be buying anything
Same here. They seem to not want cavalier players to use cyber weekend to progress to thronebreaker for some reason. All I needed to become thronebreaker was 2 t5bs and there’s no way for me to get that so oh well. No temptation for me now. Maybe go to Walmart or something
AQ? EQ?
I’ve already explored cavalier and uncollected. AQ doesn’t end till AFTer cyber weekend. Try again
The only reason I could see this happening is because they think they can now charge exorbitant prices for selectors because they think we're all foaming to be thronbreaker to get good offers but honestly I think its about to backfire hard. Atleast to me, something just switched off in my mind when I saw those offers, I'm trying to get back to last week but honestly I just can't seem to care at all about this game anymore. I hope I get over this because I loved this game and it brought some excitement to the overall banality of life but man, I'm just not feeling it anymore.
I have completion of act 6 as well as abyss completion. 42 6*, 5 of which r2... 17 5* maxed out. And 1 full t5cc skill. What the actual Fu** am i going to do with a nexus selector, 10% ROFL, and a rankup. Where are the t5b ?!? These deals are a joke for cavalier. Even if i wanted to waste my skill class catalyst how am i suppose to do that without t5b. Jokes on Kabam this year.
@GroundedWisdom don’t forget we are talking about players who beat act 6 already and earned the title. No one is asking you to sell the title. Just remove that silly RNG based six star R3 requirement from the throne Breaker title that makes no sense.
It makes absolute sense, especially after they toned down Act 6.
The only reason I could see this happening is because they think they can now charge exorbitant prices for selectors because they think we're all foaming to be thronbreaker to get good offers but honestly I think its about to backfire hard. Atleast to me, something just switched off in my mind when I saw those offers, I'm trying to get back to last week but honestly I just can't seem to care at all about this game anymore. I hope I get over this because I loved this game and it brought some excitement to the overall banality of life but man, I'm just not feeling it anymore.
I feel the same way about both what they fooled themselves into thinking would happen and what almost anyone could have foreseen happening.
For me personally, the damage is done and Kabam has lost a former huge fan. The company has lost it’s perspective and has sold out its players too many times. It’s mind boggling that they would step on loyal customers in order to appease a few whales (some of who are against this very move). Kabam- you have lost me as a customer and no amount of repentance will get me back at this point. You don’t deserve my patronage anymore.
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I always looked at these deals as a way to progress. I don’t value crystals as much as others. Rank up resources are more important for me. I don’t pretend to think everyone else is in the same boat as me. As I said in previous posts, I will wait until EQ and whatever the special event is to get another shot at getting the 1800 frags I need to r3 a champ. What is done is done.
The deals this time are absolute garbage. I'd honestly rather have the 4th of July deals than these trash offers. First of all the odins. 6 star nexus, great didn't expect anything to change about that. T2A, 3 is only half of what it needs to take a 5 star up to rank 5. 10% T5CC, only 66% of what we got 5 months ago. What year are we in, 2019? The 5 star rank 4-5 gem is nice but since the game is pretty much in the '6 star meta' it would be better off as T5B and more T2A.
And I thought the money offer were the only bad offers, boy was I wrong. Of all the unit offers combined there is one singular T5B. Why would I spend 10k units (for the final offer) when I could do an initial run of the abyss and get 3x more T5B, a WHOLE T5CC and a 6 star awakening gem. All for a cheaper unit cost.
In conclusion, I'd rather have a repeat of July 4th. These offers are so bad that they've pushed me into the abyss (up to Mordo doing the first path for anyone that is interested) to get better rewards. I understand that there needs to be a gap between the Cavalier and Thronebreaker players and I agree with this gap. But I disagree that a) the gap between Cav and Thronebreaker is so astronomically large that it's hard for Cavs to catch up. And b) that Cav offers should be decreased just because there's a new title. Honestly Kabam, if you want players to either leave your game or stop spending, keep pulling jokes like these offers. I can tell you for sure that I won't be spending a single cent for a while now.
And Thronebreaker 10k Unit offer is an absolute joke.
6* featured crystal? Seriously? If I need this crystal, I will buy it in December. I don't need these champions. Why is there no choice as usual? The Nexus is much better. T5CC could be made 50% with one crystal.
It's one of the biggest Sales of the year. What do you think happens if they add a bunch of Cats to it? What does that do to the progression of a large number of Players? Not only does it cease to be a progress separator, it also compounds their work to design content that meets the changes. There are limits to how much you can release and speed things up. Opening the floodgates all in one day would be more careless than trying to capitalize on the desire to buy.
It is also some big name streamers, BG, Seatin, KT1 and the list goes on and on, and they just can't understand what Kabam was trying to do here. It is just s huge fail all around.
Lord Shaedow breaks it down pretty well.
Dr. Zola
That whole spending argument goes out the window when we're talking about a large number of Players who are wanting to spend to get to TB. This whole "cater to the spenders" argument holds water with perforated side walls.
The bottom line is it's meant to take time to reach the Title, at least for some. Regardless of who agrees or not, only Ranking "approved" Champs is very much a choice. So the RNG argument only goes so far as amassing one Class and having a Champ of that Class. At least on paper.
The amount of T5CC in the TB deals weren't game-breaking either. Could they have added more to the Cav deals? Perhaps. I don't understand the mixed up focus between UC and Cav. If I had to look at it objectively, it's more about closing the gap between UC and Cav so much as it is about pushing Cav to TB. In any event, it's meant to be something to work towards, not necessarily to buy it all in one weekend.
The point that I was making is there IS a balance to the game. It's not just a myth, like Nibiru (Planet X). Things are done with a pace in mind. As much as people hated the requirement and expected it to be made easier with a few bucks, it's supposed to be something that is not easily achieved. Otherwise, there wouldn't be such an urge to get the Cats. Just because people say it's all just digital code thrown into the Meta willy-nilly doesn't mean there's no actual accounting for what it does to the system overall.
only can say 1 thing, $ was better spent on other black friday events than a crappy kabam cyber weekend offers.
Like dude give it a rest
But I wonder...have you watched the sheer volume of TB openings from this weekend? Does that look like pacing or balance to you? Do you believe that’s happening among just the top 1500-ish accounts? I wonder what that does to the system overall...
Do you think droves of players haven’t already spent on multiple shard deals to form a single T5c prior to this weekend? Does that qualify as “achievement” in your mind? For that matter, why do you think the 10% selector keeps popping up the past few weeks?
Who are the people you talk to that say it’s “just digital code thrown into the Meta”? Who says the requirement ought to be made easier with a “few bucks”? Which of your mates laments not being able to “buy it all in one weekend”?
I don’t see any of that as the origin of the outrage here. There have already been nearly enough T5c selector deals to form a T5c from cash alone.
If you are a veteran who can play even marginally well, you’ve built
up a steady flow of T5c shards from Variant, Cav EQ, early Act 6 explore and objectives that would further reduce the cash cost to top off a T5–without ever touching Abyss. Some lucky souls have likely been able to cobble a whole T5c together without spending, hitting Abyss or exploring more than a chapter of Act 6.
I think a lot of the anger arises from the sense that the game seemed to go out of its way to stick a thumb in the eyes of near-TBs one last time before they get the new title. That’s wrong in my opinion.
Some of those near-TBs will finally pull a decent 6* to match their T5c next month, and still more waves of near-TBs will progress organically as the next month or two provides more chances at playing (not paying) for T5 shards.
But today I think the only accounting being done is accounting for all the revenue won from a batch of over the top TB cash offers.
Dr. Zola