Suicide unfriendly champs

Havanaknight · December 2020

Often champs get judged on how they positively interact with suicides (OR, double immune, Corvus, etc). But who are your champs that not suicide friendly? Not necessarily champs with no immunities because those can be mitigated to a point. What I’m looking for are the champs that really rely on their specials to ramp up and get maximum in output in a fight and recoil makes them less viable.

For me, it was Dr. Voodoo. I had him at R4 and he was vital on my path to cavalier (for a while he was my only “counter” to havok). He was my main attacker in every AQ and AW. Once suicides went on, I stopped using him. Yes he can still regen at the beginning of each fight, but not always enough to offset the recoil from previous fights (especially the longer ones).

The_Sentry06 · December 2020

DDHK and Sunspot

Kill_Grey · December 2020

Hyperion.

Nevermind, just figured that this isn't a great example...

Genious · December 2020

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.

You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2

Kill_Grey · December 2020

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2

Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.

Fluffy_paws · December 2020

Night Thrasher
You gotta throw multiple sp1s for the debuffs for the taunt for the fury and big sp2 damage.
I guess he could work from 1 debuff from the sp1 though.

ItsDamien · December 2020

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2
Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.

I mean.... Mags is the best option for Gwenperion though. Why would you bring anyone else? 🤣

Genious · December 2020

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2
Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.

That's one fight in the entire game. Two fights if you include Kang from Variant 4

Kill_Grey · December 2020

ItsDamien said:

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2
Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.
I mean.... Mags is the best option for Gwenperion though. Why would you bring anyone else? 🤣

And you think I have a 5*/6* Mags?

Kill_Grey · December 2020

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2
Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.
That's one fight in the entire game. Two fights if you include Kang from Variant 4

You get the point. You don't feel as free as without suicides.

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ItsDamien · December 2020

Kill_Grey said:

ItsDamien said:

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2
Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.
I mean.... Mags is the best option for Gwenperion though. Why would you bring anyone else? 🤣
And you think I have a 5*/6* Mags?

Just think about Mags as if it were 2018, you really don't want to pull him. Then you'll surely pull him because of how much you don't want him. That's how the algorithm really works 🤣

Genious · December 2020

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2
Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.
That's one fight in the entire game. Two fights if you include Kang from Variant 4
You get the point. You don't feel as free as without suicides.

But this doesn't mean that he isn't suicide friendly

Kill_Grey · December 2020

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:

Genious said:

Kill_Grey said:
Hyperion.
You could say that Hyperion is actually suicide friendly. You can only spam sp3 and finish the fight with an sp2
Possibly, but his mainstay is his power gain interaction with special spamming, so he loses quite a lot of benefit out of that with recoil at play.

For example, you can't possibly fight 7.1 Gwenperion effectively with suicides.
That's one fight in the entire game. Two fights if you include Kang from Variant 4
You get the point. You don't feel as free as without suicides.
But this doesn't mean that he isn't suicide friendly

Still tho.

Odachi · December 2020

Ideally the best way to play apocalyspe is to use his sp1 and sp2 twice each to get all 4 debuffs so he isn't going to enjoy that, even if he does shrug off the bleed. Also doing a proper doom rotation has a price too.

Hyperion can be suicide friendly because a lot of people seem to forget that he has a pretty decent heal.

Havanaknight · December 2020

Odachi said:
Also doing a proper doom rotation has a price too.

Not to mention suicides will most likely cost you points on MD as well

Steel_Ball_Run · December 2020

Carnage for his buff build up, plus no regen like Venom
Spider-Gwen, ideally need 4-5 SP1s for big damage, that’s 1/5-1/4 of your max health gone
Dr Doom, constant SP1 for power control and SP2 for damage
DDHK, he’s not suicide unfriendly, he’s straight up allergic to suicides
Night Thrasher, SP1 debuff build up, at least 15% health gone for all 3
Ronan, gonna kill himself before he cheeses big health pool enemies

Hoodie25 · December 2020

Professor X may be one of the most suicide unfriendly champs in the entire game, but it doesn’t bother me bc I don’t run suicides

JragonMaster170 · December 2020

Sunspot, Prof X,

RaviDavi · December 2020

Torch... dunno after the bleed's gone but as long as it's up incinerate damage will be low.

JueVioleGrace · December 2020

Void.

Rockypantherx · December 2020

How has no one mentioned void yet? Him and Prof X are the most suicide unfriendly champs

I don’t count DDHK as suicide unfriendly. Because he seems to freaking love killing himself with them on.

JueVioleGrace · December 2020

Rockypantherx said:
How has no one mentioned void yet? Him and Prof X are the most suicide unfriendly champs

I don’t count DDHK as suicide unfriendly. Because he seems to freaking love killing himself with them on.

Unknown_Traveler said:
Void.

dynastyhowl · December 2020

For me, Sorcerer Supreme and Night Thrasher are also quite suicide unfriendly. Shame cause they're both pretty awesome.

MaxGaming · December 2020

Sentinel

Thicco_Mode · December 2020

sunspot is pretty unfriendly

Etjama · December 2020

Both Visions. They may be double immune, but you play them by spamming Sp1's. Extremely un-suicide friendly.

Havanaknight · December 2020

This might be unpopular, but I’m going to throw Fury into the mix. To get optimal output, it seems like you need to kill him once, then spam S1 to get 16+ charges and get unblockable. Not as viable over several fights in a quest.