They Killed YellowJacket

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SpideyFunko

Today on spicyslicer is grumpy news, we have reports that spicy is complaining about Yellowjackets damage! Pathetic! Not as great as Proxima! It’s the new thing!

I’m SpideyFunko, signing off.

Zurafa

That image is of a r2 lmao but thx for assuming that damage must have come from a r3 I can understand and as was mentioned your comparing to proxima who’s whole thing is special damage or comparing to beyond god tier champions who no one is saying Yellowjacket is, but he is good/great and it’s a great buff for him... and yeah that fight had a node that helped his damage because I was using him in prime conditions also did a lot of other fight with him and he does good... rol winter soldier in 150 hits don’t know how some are saying 350 that’s ridiculous and wrong and I’ve used him to counter act 7 electros, iceman, and magik all of which can be tricky fights without a counter and he does really good again all of this as a r2 6* but don’t worry I’ll post more when I take him to r3

slacker

At this rate, we're gonna see the same case as Elsa suffer, #gameragainstYJ go brrr

Nothing you said was clear. You keep making vague statements about him being op and asking everyone to read his spotlight when nothing in his spotlight mentions why they changed rage from passive to debuff. If you know something we dont, come out and say it.

Cliffordcan

He obviously doesn't. Love seeing him talk his way into a corner and try his verbal diarrhea gymnastics to get out of it. Kabam giving champs "beneficial" DEBUFFs and reducing regen rate is just terrible, and AAR has nothing to do with it.

I wasn't vague at all. I asked if you could see why he COULD be OP if it was still Passive. It's really not that hard to see. For that matter, if it's inconsequential, why are you arguing that it should have remained Passive? I've already pointed out the interaction with AAR. All Champs have strengths and weaknesses. These changes are balanced for a reason. It's all fine and good to throw out ideas on what they should and shouldn't have, but there's a reason for every change made.

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DNA3000

"Necessary" is not the right word, it would be more precise to say that the cost has a design purpose, in the sense that the shorter duration and the charge cost are there because She Hulk and Spider Gwen are intended to be strong counters to unstoppable with their slow effects, while Yellowjacket has slow as an extra ability over and above his primary design focus.

Both She Hulk and Spidergwen list their slows as a highlighted strength of the champion, and during the beta this was emphasized as a focus of the update. It was even emphasized in the beta survey. But Yellowjacket doesn't list slows as a primary strength of the redesign. It lists healing reversal and power sting damage as the primary intended strengths of the redesign. Slow is an extra ability that has a cost to use (in charges) and it has a slightly shorter duration. This distinguishes it from champions that focus more on slows, and it prevents Yellowjacket from superceding the champions explicitly designed to be good at slows on top of his other abilities.

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I think you gave him an out here. I am sure he did not know that because he backtracked pretty quickly on the reply. The text could easily read "Each rage stack" instead of "Each debuff" because you don't want to be suffering from a debuff at all in most situations.

Now you are just talking semantics when you run out of arguments. My argument was pretty clear on why it should be passive. It will make him a great option against void, which is almost the only defender you don't want a debuff on you and we can still retain the will power heal at 100%. See how I clearly explained my points instead of sending people on a treasure hunt?

At the time of She-Hulk and Spider-Gwen's Rework that was the introduction of the Slow Debuff which is why it got so much attention, the Debuff on Void has the same Icon but it's a totally different Debuff call an Agility Debuff which reduces Evade and Dexterity Chance by 30%. (Had to mention that cause a lot of people mix those Debuffs together)

KDSuperFlash10

I honestly think Yellowjacket has the potential to be a top tier science champ when at max sig. Phenomenal utility and solid damage. @Etjama has explained the depths of YJ's utility and damage at max sig and I'm honestly impressed. Yes, he needs max sig for damage, but his utility is all there unawakened and at low sig.

Etjama

😢 thank you. I can honestly see him being around the Spider-Gwen, Rhulk, Wasp area.

This is just word soup and I'm not repeating myself. Twice I've said it. I'm not saying it again. You gave your own reason why YOU THINK it should be Passive. I gave the reason why I think it isn't. This isn't Build-A-Bear. I'm sorry if you don't agree with their balancing outcome, but we're not the ones designing them.

Destroyer123

How can you kill something that had literally no use before

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BECAUSE HE CAN BE INFLUENCED BY AAR. Sweet Mary and Joseph. Do people read?

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Actually it says "Personal Debuffs" which usually implies only the Debuffs on the Champion's Base.

If it did work on All Debuffs that'd actually be Pretty OP, for example in Incursions he would Boost those already Very Potent Incinerate and Shock Debuff you get from those 2 Hacks.
There's also the Mr Fantastic Pre Fight Debuffs that can be used anywhere, he would double those for Instant Regen and Power Gain Effect Reversal when put on top of his Base Reductions/Reduced Defensive Combat Power Rate/Increase Even More Potency of Damage Over Time Effects on the Enemy and Reduce More Potency of Damage Over Time Debuffs on you.

Hmm, passives can also be influenced by AAR? What does AAR have to do with debuff? I mean if you have found a super secret ability that none of us can find, then kindly elaborate. It could also be stopped by AAR earlier because OR, blade and champs that could affect ability accuracy stopped him from gaining rage.

Realm_Of_Rah

This is from the Act 7 lane that dumps you with passive furies whenever buffet fails to trigger? Not exactly a fair showcase of his base damage.

Any update to an champ should improve him. Changing it from passive to debuff did not actually improve him in anyway, that is why I am asking. How exactly is it balancing, when you make a champ worse in a matchup that he was reasonably good earlier?

He's better than he was before the buff. That doesn't mean he's going to be the same or better with the same matchups. Things WILL change when you change the Abilities of a Champ.

It's one fight/possible Node scenario where he's worse, you already mentioned you are aware of the Ability that gives him more Attack and Power for Each Debuff on himself which this is a improvement.
You could have just left it at "Why didn't Grounded start with that" which was a very valid point...