They Killed YellowJacket

His PowerSting Debuffs are no longer Passive. How is that a Buff. They Nerfed him so hard

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Not sure what your point is here? Passives are affected by AAR too unless explicitly stated, like Dragon Man's Cornered Passive.

GroundedWisdom

When it was a Passive, it was neither a Buff or a Debuff. It was triggered and converted into a Passive. Now you have a mechanic that operates by converting Debuffs (Rage) into Buffs. Which means in order to balance him, he has to be affected by AAR and Nullify. Which ne never was before. The whole Passive/Buff/Debuff subject gets confusing, but Kingpin's Rage has never been affected by anything to the best of my knowledge as a Passive. Only the Buffs that came during Overpower. Meaning the rate at which he can reach and sustain Overpower can be affected now. Previously, it would have come without fail, making him too powerful for heavy Debuff Fights.

GroundedWisdom

That's about all I'm going to say on the subject because I'm really out of ways to explain it and the horse isn't dead. It's hamburger.

KDSuperFlash10

Don't even bother with them, it's like speaking to a wall.

LibertyPrimeV1

Pre Rework when a Debuff was converted into a Passive Effect, that I'm pretty sure was affected by Ability Accuracy because that Ability had a Chance to activate and that Chance was subject to addition and subtraction. I can actually check this in a minute on Auntm.ai since their Data Base isn't updated yet.

"Now you have a mechanic that operates by converting Debuffs (Rage) into Buffs. Which means in order to balance him, he has to be affected by AAR and Nullify. Which ne never was before."
Wait what? His Overpower Fury was always a Buff.
His Previous Passive Rage Effect had the Effects on it, this New Debuff Rage is a Blank Debuff and his Passive Ability (this one being the Always Active Type) is what give him a Bonus.
There's Passive Abilities and Passive Effects, Effects can be affected by Ability Accuracy unless stated otherwise. (Or that's how it's always been explained to me.)

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LibertyPrimeV1

We're talking about Kingpin I thought?

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KDSuperFlash10

Meant to write about Kingpin instead of YJ my bad

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LibertyPrimeV1

But we aren't saying Kingpin is Bad either, or I'm not anyways, I'm saying Grounded's point about AAR was there Pre Rework as well. I think he got confused at some point, which is understandable btw We're All Human-We Make Mistakes.

LibertyPrimeV1

Wait that's what happened? That's a Very Limited way of explaining things let alone using it in a discussion...

LibertyPrimeV1

Scratch that Auntm.ai just got updated... But there is still the Original Spotlight like Hi_Guys brought up.

Also yes I agree with this, that's like how Magneto isn't as good in some Mystic Matchups with all those Buffs he got after his Rework. But he's infinitely better in all the other Matchups, then even further in Metal Matchups.

Pulyaman

What are you even on about. Read through the thread before throwing out a general statement like this. No one is actually saying Kingpin buff is bad. He is loads better than he was in terms of damage. In terms of utility, it seems like a "nerf" by making is rage a debuff instead of a passive.

Pulyaman

For someone who claims to play Kingpin a lot, you seem to be very ill versed. His shrug off was affected by AAR as I already mentioned. Get 5 or more spores on him and he will fail to shrug off an debuff. Blade will almost always cause his shrug off to fail, Sabretooth with km synergy also works here. So, there was no reason to make it a debuff other than simply saying this is our design now, deal with it as @Worknprogress said.lol

The_Sentry06

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No one's saying he is bad. It's that he doesn't work in a matchup that he ideally should which is fine IMO.A

The update did improve him. With a buff comes all sorts changes. Some good and some bad but the overall change should in the positive for the character. Some recent examples are that DDHK used to work decently with suicides untill recently and Mags vs mystics as stated above . Kingpin is a victim of that but you can't argue that his buff made him a load better than previously.

LibertyPrimeV1

I suppose they could've kept the Rage Passive then added "Rage Passives Count As A Debuff Towards This Ability." to this Ability's Description.

LibertyPrimeV1

Still this only fixes like 1 maybe 2 Matchups that he is now bad for due to the Rage being a Debuff, it's a small issue but does have a simple solution.

Pulyaman

Honestly, my only gripe is that for matchups where we typically need shrug off like void or where we have a penalty on you for having debuffs, he is not viable. Since this is skill class which typically shruggs off debuffs, it seems really a odd choice.

LibertyPrimeV1

This would also remove the need to have his Regen Rate Reduced... Actually why didn't they just do this, instead they went with this odd backwards way?

GroundedWisdom

No, they didn't just throw it in there just because.

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LibertyPrimeV1

Actually it kind of feels like they did when I think about it, it could've stayed a Passive then simply add 1 Line to the Attack/Power Gain per Debuff Ability saying the Passives counted as Debuffs for that Ability. Then there would've been no need for reducing his Regen Rate by 50% then making his Base Rate Unaffected by other Abilities or Boosts, they could've avoided that entirely. But now he has a Similar New Ability to another recently Buffed Champion...

LibertyPrimeV1

Also Red Hulk blocking Any Mystic Attack counts as an Energy Attack for the Heat Charge Ability, but if it was a Physical Attack it still deals Physical Damage.

GroundedWisdom

No. They couldn't have. Any idea what a nightmare it would have been to come up against him with a Champ that relies on Debuffs, if you had no way to affect the Rage? Given his new kit, it would have been annoying as hell.

Pulyaman

Its like talking to a wall.

LibertyPrimeV1

Ability Accuracy Reduction exists... His Passive Rage was Always Affected By Ability Accuracy.

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