Monke.. Sorry man . i didn't ment to be mean on him. i am not been that active on forum. i only post when i feel some thing is not right to me. and there is not a single post he is not there for an attack. kabam always on mail told me if i have something on mind i can post on forum. they can see from there. Someone will not motivate if there is always there for an attack. that's all.
Hey man, it's all good. We chilling on here and don't know what others maybe going through at home whether it be financial problems or mental problems, so we always gotta be mindful and peaceful😌
You are speaking so many right things. Not getting the monke vibe here. Tell me what have you done with the real monke.
@Monke my long comment went to the Approval Abyss, so I’ll just give a short version. You can use light combo enders to not take self damage btw. (The answers to your points are in the original comment, so we’ll just have to wait for approval)
I think that while iHulk is clearly not a top (or even good) option for a lot of content, he gets a lot more hate than he deserves. He’s a decent champ with some flaws, but overall I think he’s better than people give him credit for. That’s all I’m trying to say. Sometimes my mind goes straight to arguing and I get lost in making points that are impractical. Edit: it’s back now. Oops
iHulk is a top 10 science champ at least, with his insane damage, second highest health in the game, and potential to infinitely tank sp3s. All you have to do is play him smart. The self damage has to be there to make him balanced, because without it he would live forever with nothing that was able to kill him. You may want to use him more.
Quake, Cap IW Torch Void Ibom shulk sham rulk red guardian thing Mr F Luke Cage Wasp and YJ are all better. He DESPERATELY NEEDS A TUNE UP
And for tanking sp3's that's once every 50 seconds... We can't call Elsa's counter evade meh when it refreshes 5x faster
Don't get me wrong, Ihulk brings a smile to my face. My most recent r3 feels great to play! But he just lacks the utility and usability in a lot of meta content. I do think one day if they tuned him up, his usability in content would sky rocket
Mr F, Luke Cage, and Yellowjacket are not better than iHulk. iHulk can reverse healing too, and has loads more damage. Luke Cage doesn’t really do anything incredible, and I’m on the fence about Mr F.
I’m sorry, I forgot that evading and sp3s were the same thing. Oh wait... How is being able to access an evade counter every 10 seconds comparable to tanking potentially hundreds of thousands of damage in act 6 repeatedly?
Also, 5* or 6* r3?
And if he doesn’t have the usablility for meta content, why is he a monster in most of the newest content (act 7)? That seems like it would qualify as meta content.
Mr F Luke Cage reverse power gain. MR F has way more helpful synergies and crazy combat power rate reduction and special damage reduction which made him decent for when my alt account got a 6* and tanked the collector's sp1 so that I could use my 4* corvus and survive the sp1 a lot better from the collector. Luke Cage tanks sp3's MUCH BETTER and comes back his indestructible after 45-25 seconds based on signature level. He also has 100% aar on his sp2 which helps a bunch for dealing with some stuff.
Yellow jacket is damn near shock coldsnap and incinerate immune. Counters evade and unstoppable with a simple heavy. He also has insane resistance against unblockable specials and can also counter regen passively without even applying a debuff. All he doesn't have is damage output
When you say tanking sp3's repeatedly, go ahead and wait 50 seconds. There are matchups like that 200% power gain doctor strange where he spam's sp3's. You'll have to get insanely lucky for him not to throw an sp3 for 50 SECONDS. Not saying Elsa's evade counter is god scent, but waiting for 11 seconds to counter stuff like stun immune and others is much better than waiting 50 seconds for tanking an sp3. Sorry, I'm out on that
As for being a monster in 7.1, please show me using your 5* maxed out sig 200 Immortal Hulk demolishing Act 7 outside of that gimme lane and one boss. Thanks
45 seconds is almost as much as 50 seconds though. Even with sig making it quicker, Luke Cage doesn’t heal back to full once, let alone infinitely. Also, Immortal Hulk can stack petrifies, reducing ability power rate by up to 125%-150% if you’re fast. So that takes care of 200% power gain Dr Strange. Also, how is an evade counter even close to as good as tanking a sp3? Don’t forget, he becomes indestructible for 8 seconds after, and can tank any special attack or combo within each 50 second period, not just sp3s, and as long as it’s shorter than 8-8.5 seconds, he’ll make it. As for 7.1, check out Ankit Sharma on YT.
His Power control depends on rage stacks, and chances are by the time you get to that sp2 Dr strange will take care of you. Also, Luke Cage doesn't drain his health to 1% the entire fight. Him tanking an sp3 doesn't deal ANY damage at all to himself in comparison. Immortal Hulk's regen depends on rage stacks meaning if you don't play aggressively enough thanks to dr SPAM well your "full regen" is more like 30% health.
His power control goes up to 14 stacks. 14 x 5 last time I checked is 70%? And it's defensive power rate not ability so flawed for stuff like DS.
All-in-all. He's a decent champ but not top 10 in his class. Needs a tune-up to get to that level one day
Also, I looked Ankit sharma and forgot to type "mcoc". I got some interesting results I'll put it at that
Power control petrifies can be stacked at 25% per stack off the sp3, along with a 75% petrify from sig. If you forgot, petrify doesn’t only modify regen. Also, 30% health once or twice is better than taking a combo and dying. And Immortal Hulk has like quadruple Luke Cage’s damage in a lot of scenarios so the fight would be over a lot quicker, with a lot less specials.
Bro you need 3 bars of power to get to that Petrify and at max sig 1. the petrify requires 70 gamma radiation. Once out of the immortal phase it's gone for a while 2. If you're giving Ihulk max sig, give Luke Cage max sig.
Immortality once every 25 seconds and not killing yourself to 1% health > Immortality once every 50 seconds and killing yourself to 1% health
Immortal Hulk having quadruple damage means nothing if he needs to ramp up and kill himself and trigger his immortality phase meaning his rage stacks are gone for the regeneration to trigger "and regen himself to full health"
You do know you're contradicting yourself each time you make a statement? His rage stacks are mega flawed and if you're telling me to watch Ankit Sharma, I talk to the guy often. He even openly admits he loves Immortal Hulk, but he needs a tune-up to his rage stacks.
You realize light combo enders make him not do self damage? Neither does the sp3. I’d think a lot of people in the game could play iHulk at 25% health and build up to a sp3 to stop power gain. Not ending combos with a medium just makes him not hit very hard. People just try to blitz opponents with him and it doesn’t always work that simply.
Also, can you give me a reason why the rage stacks are flawed? They work fine and build up quick if you lose them.
And I know he’s not a top option (or even a good option) for a lot of content, but I firmly believe he is a good champ.
If you end with a light combo ender, chances are a lot of your consecutive gamma stacks will fall off and you will build those stacks 1 at a time. NOT What Im gonna do and at that point Luke Cage is outdamaging him
His rage stacks are flawed as they reset with the regen and you lose the signature ability petrify and a lot of his damage output.
"And I know he’s not a top option (or even a good option) for a lot of content," Bro you said he's a monster in 7.1?
Sorry, what I meant was get down to 25% health( each rage stack knocks off about an additional 1% health per medium) and then do light combo enders. That way the petrify stays.
Yeah, he’s good, but he’s not viable for quite a few nodes and basically all of Act 6.
@-Monke my long comment went to the Approval Abyss, so I’ll just give a short version. You can use light combo enders to not take self damage btw. (The answers to your points are in the original comment, so we’ll just have to wait for approval)
I think that while iHulk is clearly not a top (or even good) option for a lot of content, he gets a lot more hate than he deserves. He’s a decent champ with some flaws, but overall I think he’s better than people give him credit for. That’s all I’m trying to say. Sometimes my mind goes straight to arguing and I get lost in making points that are impractical. Edit: it’s back now. Oops
Look man, I'm not gonna be here all night and maybe for a week, but you do go overboard with his abilities considering you don't have him as a maxed 5* to prove him to be a top 10 science. He's scratching top 15 for me, and I do hope one day they fix him. All I'll say is, be mindful of what you say because a lot of the points you make SEEM great, but aren't fully tested. I won't act like I didn't make braindead comments in September last year because I did and I majorly regret it. That's why I changed my name to Monke to start it all over again. I'ma leave it at that because y'all are gonna be seeing a lot of AOA (abyss of approval) comments pop up soon lol
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Yeah, I guess I get slightly carried away describing him. Believe me, if I pull him as a 5* or 6*, he’s going to max rank, and then I’ll flood the forums with OP gameplay. But until then, maybe I’ll hold back slightly on talking about how great he is (not gonna stop completely though).
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
(Replying to this because the original is long) 1. OP asked for all of them to be tuned up, not just the OGs. 2. I agree, we’re done debating. 3. Thanks for having an open mind on iHulk. Not many people do.
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
So, you're telling me I'm talking about the least important part, but then you rephrase pretty much the part I'm talking about? Mega confused but Okay
You were supposed to read the rest, understand what I was trying to come at, but instead decided to pick at my appeal to your conscience and wildly misinterpret it which may lead to increasingly frustrating consequences for both parties involved as well as the rest of us reading.
So yeah, I decided to clear things up.
(Also stems from my in-built trait to try to please people)
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
(Replying to this because the original is long) 1. OP asked for all of them to be tuned up, not just the OGs. 2. I agree, we’re done debating. 3. Thanks for having an open mind on iHulk. Not many people do.
1) Yeah, but most of the new ones don't need a tune-up (definitely not as much as the OGs anyway) 2) Thank you 3) Np, my dude, ihulk sounds like a cool champ
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
So, you're telling me I'm talking about the least important part, but then you rephrase pretty much the part I'm talking about? Mega confused but Okay
You were supposed to read the rest, understand what I was trying to come at, but instead decided to pick at my appeal to your conscience and wildly misinterpret it which may lead to increasingly frustrating consequences for both parties involved as well as the rest of us reading.
So yeah, I decided to clear things up.
(Also stems from my in-built trait to try to please people)
those are some funny words you're using so Ima just say ight cya
*sighs and tries again because I need to get my point across like a despo*
No fight please. No argue either (peacefully or warfully). You and Crcrcrc friends. Shake hands.
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
So, you're telling me I'm talking about the least important part, but then you rephrase pretty much the part I'm talking about? Mega confused but Okay
You were supposed to read the rest, understand what I was trying to come at, but instead decided to pick at my appeal to your conscience and wildly misinterpret it which may lead to increasingly frustrating consequences for both parties involved as well as the rest of us reading.
So yeah, I decided to clear things up.
(Also stems from my in-built trait to try to please people)
those are some funny words you're using so Ima just say ight cya
*sighs and tries again because I need to get my point across like a despo*
No fight please. No argue either (peacefully or warfully). You and Crcrcrc friends. Shake hands.
Lol he’s just messing with you (probably). Don’t worry about trying to reexplain it.
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
So, you're telling me I'm talking about the least important part, but then you rephrase pretty much the part I'm talking about? Mega confused but Okay
You were supposed to read the rest, understand what I was trying to come at, but instead decided to pick at my appeal to your conscience and wildly misinterpret it which may lead to increasingly frustrating consequences for both parties involved as well as the rest of us reading.
So yeah, I decided to clear things up.
(Also stems from my in-built trait to try to please people)
those are some funny words you're using so Ima just say ight cya
*sighs and tries again because I need to get my point across like a despo*
No fight please. No argue either (peacefully or warfully). You and Crcrcrc friends. Shake hands.
Lol he’s just messing with you (probably). Don’t worry about trying to reexplain it.
Aw, thanks! Wanted to post a baby language version anyway, so I'm good.
@Scarcity27 main thing of any champ is based on three term . 1. Damage 2. utility 3. survivability
Ihulk has both 1 and 2 but 3 .. Nop .. i don't know if you are a comic or cartoon fan marvel but this champ is more op there. Also i have been to 3-4 alliance .. still in retirement chill alliance but nobody here cheering with joy or happy to pull ihulk or any of my mentioned champ. if kabam adjust the 3rd option he may be good still not breaking the game. and if one think if he is adjusted then he will break the game he may never played with r3 6* corvus..
@Scarcity27 main thing of any champ is based on three term . 1. Damage 2. utility 3. survivability
Ihulk has both 1 and 2 but 3 .. Nop .. i don't know if you are a comic or cartoon fan marvel but this champ is more op there. Also i have been to 3-4 alliance .. still in retirement chill alliance but nobody here cheering with joy or happy to pull ihulk or any of my mentioned champ. if kabam adjust the 3rd option he may be good still not breaking the game. and if one think if he is adjusted then he will break the game he may never played with r3 6* corvus..
Removing self damage gives him the possibility to literally survive forever. It would be nice to play Labyrinth and just heal to full if you slip up, without any weaknesses to stop it aside from a major screwup. So much better than Corvus with no self damage. I’d wager top 5 in game with infinite lives with that change.
Ok guys, ya'll need to stop this debate, and focus on the purpose of this post. OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@-Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @-Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Fine
ILL DEBATE IN WAR
Wow I give a thesis and you decide to pick on the least important part of it. Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
So, you're telling me I'm talking about the least important part, but then you rephrase pretty much the part I'm talking about? Mega confused but Okay
You were supposed to read the rest, understand what I was trying to come at, but instead decided to pick at my appeal to your conscience and wildly misinterpret it which may lead to increasingly frustrating consequences for both parties involved as well as the rest of us reading.
So yeah, I decided to clear things up.
(Also stems from my in-built trait to try to please people)
those are some funny words you're using so Ima just say ight cya
*sighs and tries again because I need to get my point across like a despo*
No fight please. No argue either (peacefully or warfully). You and Crcrcrc friends. Shake hands.
Bold of you to assume we're just friends Edit: that came out wrong
Edit 2: Gonna go dm vydious to delete my last 24 hour messages
@Scarcity27 main thing of any champ is based on three term . 1. Damage 2. utility 3. survivability
Ihulk has both 1 and 2 but 3 .. Nop .. i don't know if you are a comic or cartoon fan marvel but this champ is more op there. Also i have been to 3-4 alliance .. still in retirement chill alliance but nobody here cheering with joy or happy to pull ihulk or any of my mentioned champ. if kabam adjust the 3rd option he may be good still not breaking the game. and if one think if he is adjusted then he will break the game he may never played with r3 6* corvus..
Look, I never said he was the best or anything, and I understand your point here. Many champs aren't as good as the comics or movie or whatever. And you can't expect every champ to be so BG tier. Compared to most champs, ihulk is great, and other champs deserve a tune-up more.
You can't run the game by giving the best of every ability to one champ. That is not fair at all. Hopefully ths helps you understand.
Crcrcrc: As i recall Black bolt have the same mechanic in sp. Kabam remove the damage but still he is an average champ. hit monkey not even made him better than average. My point is ihulk tune up in a way that he is playable and don't break the game. remove self damage definitely is an option. also currently not single content exists in the game except in event quest ihulk 50sec survive cooldown can be used efficiently. one may be do it once or twice but infinite no way .
1st generation mcoc champs are modarate. I mean Absolutely outdated in terms of current game meta damage and design wise & Absolutely wrong damage and utility wise to their comics counter parts.
iHulk is a top 10 science champ at least, with his insane damage, second highest health in the game, and potential to infinitely tank sp3s. All you have to do is play him smart. The self damage has to be there to make him balanced, because without it he would live forever with nothing that was able to kill him. You may want to use him more.
Quake, Cap IW Torch Void Ibom shulk sham rulk red guardian thing Mr F Luke Cage Wasp and YJ are all better. He DESPERATELY NEEDS A TUNE UP
And for tanking sp3's that's once every 50 seconds... We can't call Elsa's counter evade meh when it refreshes 5x faster
Don't get me wrong, Ihulk brings a smile to my face. My most recent r3 feels great to play! But he just lacks the utility and usability in a lot of meta content. I do think one day if they tuned him up, his usability in content would sky rocket
Mr F, Luke Cage, and Yellowjacket are not better than iHulk. iHulk can reverse healing too, and has loads more damage. Luke Cage doesn’t really do anything incredible, and I’m on the fence about Mr F.
I’m sorry, I forgot that evading and sp3s were the same thing. Oh wait... How is being able to access an evade counter every 10 seconds comparable to tanking potentially hundreds of thousands of damage in act 6 repeatedly?
Also, 5* or 6* r3?
And if he doesn’t have the usablility for meta content, why is he a monster in most of the newest content (act 7)? That seems like it would qualify as meta content.
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You can use light combo enders to not take self damage btw.
(The answers to your points are in the original comment, so we’ll just have to wait for approval)
I think that while iHulk is clearly not a top (or even good) option for a lot of content, he gets a lot more hate than he deserves. He’s a decent champ with some flaws, but overall I think he’s better than people give him credit for. That’s all I’m trying to say. Sometimes my mind goes straight to arguing and I get lost in making points that are impractical.
Edit: it’s back now. Oops
Yeah, he’s good, but he’s not viable for quite a few nodes and basically all of Act 6.
OP said that Ironman and Hulk haven't been respected in the game, and first off, I'm going to address that:
Ironman and Hulk were one of the OG champs in the game. Back then abilities and stuff were minimal, if not virtually non-existent. Things have obviously changed, now with more powerful champs, with nice, and often playstyle specific abilities added.
NOTE: I'm only mentioning Ironman and Hulk here because that's what OP mentioned, no bias against the other champs.
So these two (and others) are outdated now. Which is why Kabam started buffing champs. I'm not sure if or when Ironman and Hulk will get buffed, but yeah.
As to OP's suggestions about Ironman and Hulk (the OGs), some nice ideas there, but it's ultimately upto the devs.
Now to address the other champs Op mentioned. Ghulk is not exactly a weak or bad champ. He has his own thing going on (haven't played much with him myself), but he's a solid champ, nowhere near meme-tier. Maybe in the future when chmps are even more powerful he could be due for a tune-up, but not now.
IMIW is a pretty good champ. The tech class itself is pretty OP, so he may be outshined sometimes, but in no way is he bad or anything. Has great uses, both attack and defense. And let's face it, the animations rock.
Now to address ihulk *sighs* *consults notes and attempts to muster maximum diplomacy*
@Crcrcrc thinks ihulk is top 10 science. I'm inclined to agree with him, despite @Monke suggesting some worthy opponents.
ihulk has some great potential, and doesn't need a tune-up. He may be a bit irrational and difficult to play, but the potential is there. We can all agree some champs are better than him, but by no means is he a bad champ. Monke, you may think Mr F is better (I have no opinion here personally), and Crcrcrc you may disagree. Well that is not what this post is about.
Does ihulk need a tune-up? No, he is great the way he is. Is he the best? Also no.
In conclusion, the OGs need a tune-up. IMIW and ihulk don't. Please stop debating civilly.
Let me rephrase then:
Stop debating this. Don't fight each other either, if you're considering that. Please just agree to disagree or whatever.
1. OP asked for all of them to be tuned up, not just the OGs.
2. I agree, we’re done debating.
3. Thanks for having an open mind on iHulk. Not many people do.
So yeah, I decided to clear things up.
(Also stems from my in-built trait to try to please people)
2) Thank you
3) Np, my dude, ihulk sounds like a cool champ
No fight please. No argue either (peacefully or warfully). You and Crcrcrc friends. Shake hands.
main thing of any champ is based on three term .
1. Damage
2. utility
3. survivability
Ihulk has both 1 and 2 but 3 .. Nop .. i don't know if you are a comic or cartoon fan marvel but this champ is more op there. Also i have been to 3-4 alliance .. still in retirement chill alliance but nobody here cheering with joy or happy to pull ihulk or any of my mentioned champ. if kabam adjust the 3rd option he may be good still not breaking the game.
and if one think if he is adjusted then he will break the game he may never played with r3 6* corvus..
And you can't expect every champ to be so BG tier. Compared to most champs, ihulk is great, and other champs deserve a tune-up more.
You can't run the game by giving the best of every ability to one champ. That is not fair at all. Hopefully ths helps you understand.
I mean Absolutely outdated in terms of current game meta damage and design wise & Absolutely wrong damage and utility wise to their comics counter parts.
But alright if you are starting the game.
1.Quake
2.Capiw
3.HT
4.Void
5.Shulk
6.Ibom
7.Sham
8.Thing
9.RG
10.Spidwen