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    JadedJaded Posts: 5,476 ★★★★★


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    JadedJaded Posts: 5,476 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    At what point do these Threads on who's better get old? Asking for a friend. Lol.

    People and champs come and go. So discussions will always be relevant. Not everyone lives here for years
    I sadly disagree with you on that one. I’m not even sure if time spent in these forums includes the old mcoc forums...🤔

    Also, everyone is crazy. Can’t we all just love and respect whichever champions each person enjoys???

    I couldn’t even begin making a tier list, it would take way to long and way to much thought. My brain would explode.
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    JadedJaded Posts: 5,476 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Jaded said:

    HI_guys said:

    At what point do these Threads on who's better get old? Asking for a friend. Lol.

    People and champs come and go. So discussions will always be relevant. Not everyone lives here for years
    I sadly disagree with you on that one. I’m not even sure if time spent in these forums includes the old mcoc forums...🤔

    Also, everyone is crazy. Can’t we all just love and respect whichever champions each person enjoys???

    I couldn’t even begin making a tier list, it would take way to long and way to much thought. My brain would explode.
    You disagree with people coming and going? This thread was crete's by a new person rgith? Everytime some one new comes to the forums they start athreas like thsi
    No, you misunderstood me. I sadly disagreed with you because I’ve been using these mcoc forums for 5 years. Some of us do live here...

    Sometimes it’s okay to not think people are always negative.
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    Scopeotoe987Scopeotoe987 Posts: 1,551 ★★★★★
    I agree with all of your controversial takes @SpideyFunko , but quake being better than ghost is hard no.
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    JadedJaded Posts: 5,476 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Jaded said:

    HI_guys said:

    Jaded said:

    HI_guys said:

    At what point do these Threads on who's better get old? Asking for a friend. Lol.

    People and champs come and go. So discussions will always be relevant. Not everyone lives here for years
    I sadly disagree with you on that one. I’m not even sure if time spent in these forums includes the old mcoc forums...🤔

    Also, everyone is crazy. Can’t we all just love and respect whichever champions each person enjoys???

    I couldn’t even begin making a tier list, it would take way to long and way to much thought. My brain would explode.
    You disagree with people coming and going? This thread was crete's by a new person rgith? Everytime some one new comes to the forums they start athreas like thsi
    No, you misunderstood me. I sadly disagreed with you because I’ve been using these mcoc forums for 5 years. Some of us do live here...

    Sometimes it’s okay to not think people are always negative.
    I said not everyone.
    It was a joke dude. 👏
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    VendemiaireVendemiaire Posts: 2,178 ★★★★★
    edited February 2021

    ...but quake being better than ghost is hard no.

    Expound.
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    Sarvanga1_Sarvanga1_ Posts: 4,139 ★★★★★
    Monke said:

    Quake is better than Ghost - Comes down to personal preference, Quake covers slightly more ground, Ghost does it more comfortably with more efficiency

    Killmonger is better than Elsa - With synergies, maybe. On their own nah

    Yellowjacket is underrated - Nope, he's bad.

    Mister Fantastic is better than the majority of you give him credit for - Sure

    G2099 isn’t a top 3 tech - Like the infinite horizon she eludes my grasp. No comment.

    KM has better utility, and while he may be behind in damage he definitely is the better pull

    Yellowjacket is good. The damage is good with an sp3 and special 1 spam, and the utility is packing.

    Lol, hope you get her someday
    Better utility is subjective imo. They do different things, you can choose which ones better for certain content and champions. Off the top of my head the only three things they have in common is evade counter, above average crit rate, managing debuffs, easy access to intercepts. If there's more feel free to point it out.

    Intercepting - KM's intercept is kind of reliant on blocking attacks which makes it useless against unblockable which is where its primarily needed. On the other hand he can access it more readily. Dealers choice.

    Debuff shrugging - on his own KM gains increased power, with Void he has a chance to shrug them off. Elsa shrugs them off reliably and she has increased power gain on her base kit.

    Evades - Pretty sure this months EQ has shown that Elsa is better for dealing with this aspect.

    Crits - Elsa wins here as well, no debate.

    I dont have a high sig YJ, I have a 6* at r2 but that's only for defence. I've seen videos but the damage still doesnt turn me on to the idea of using him. His utility is also super situational.
    KM also can practically tank infinite sp3s.
    That's cool but if you're trying to tank sp3s it's most likely because you're going against high power gain champs where it's going to be necessary (Air Walker, Dragon Man, Hyperion, Power flood nodes in general). In these situations it's just not reliable. A Ghost/ taunt/power control/ champ just makes dealing with the fight a lot more comfortable and reliable.
    Taunt/power gain control sometimes don't get the job done. there is so many lanes where they have too crazy power gain where taunt power control don't work

    Only Ghost is OP, but she reqs a synergy, so she'll work for the most part but Killmonger's sp3 tanking is too OP
    Taunt is a weak type of power control but I think power control champs can deal with most power gain matchups without having to tank sp3s. Also remember that many sp3s have additional effects with them. I think tanking is below controlling power.
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    Sarvanga1_Sarvanga1_ Posts: 4,139 ★★★★★
    Monke said:

    BuffBeast said:

    Monke said:

    BuffBeast said:

    Monke said:

    BuffBeast said:

    1. Namor and thing nerfs were unnecessary.
    With all these buffs and new top tier mutants, Namors nerf is kinda unnecessary. As for thing, there aren’t many new science champs, and the science class has some awful champions. Not saying they should be immediately brought back to their old versions, but it’s also something to consider.

    2. People are SLEEPING on terrax after his buff. Haven’t seen many people talking about how great and fun he is so far. I feel like that’s probably because MM, YJ and Kingpin kinda overshadowed him on hype

    Idk, just some thoughts

    People ain't sleeping on him. I think his utility is underrated, but people are sleeping on YJ. A true god with a lot of very solid utilities mixed into a champ. Only doesn't have flashy numbers
    I feel like the fact that half of the players call him bad and the other half call him good keep a bit of hype around him though, y’know?
    yeah. Warlock sometimes gets around that area

    I swear some people (a certain type) get caught up in their minds and forget that his damage is insane w/ suicides

    He has INSANE heavy damage without them too. Don’t run any suicides, and I’ve gotten 11-12k+ heavies with him
    eh. that's alright. ofc there are better champs without suicides. IMO he's the 4th best tech without em, but second with them
    No.
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    SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 21,854 ★★★★★
    Grean said:

    Claire over doom
    She-hulk is bgt
    Apoc is overrated on offence
    ghost has no armour up buffs, so she is automatically the worst tech champ
    mutant class has domino, making it the worst class
    Hype would be the hottest character if he didn't have so much jawline

    Hype would be the hottest if his wrist was correct
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    SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 21,854 ★★★★★
    BuffBeast said:

    Here’s another one:
    Hood *could* be a top mystic if he had better damage

    So could Dormammu tbh
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    SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 21,854 ★★★★★

    This threads looks really fun

    - Apocalypse is the best mutant champion in the game
    - Horseman Cable is on AA's level
    - Horseman Gambit is a top 5 champion in the game (can literally block everything and take 0 damage, doesn't matter how long the fights take, you literally will never die. You can tank 200 Bishop L1's at 1% health and take 0 damage, also you can achieve 9 hit combos with his perfect block parries.)
    - Domino is a C tier champion by 2021's standards
    - Red Goblin is one of the worst champions of 2020 (so many obvious flaws in his kit)
    - Air-Walker in the hands of a skilled player and at 3 cosmic charges is an elite cosmic champion
    - Mister Fantastic is an elite science champ (you're right about this one, Spidey, I took my 6* sig 60 Mister F to r2 and he's awesome, so much utility and damage once ramped up)
    - Iron Fist is the worst champion in the game (No I don't have a 5 or 6 star Iron Fist, I just know that he's awful)
    - BWDO is a miss of 2020, very average champ
    - Falcon and Kingpin are the #3 and #4 best skill champs
    - Guardian at sig 200 is absolutely insane, like crazy crazy good. The energy resistance and block proficiency makes him so so good. Plus the insane sp2 damage and all his other utility.
    - Stark Spidey and Blade (less than Starky) are still great champions, Ghost Rider has fallen off massively
    - CGR is the best cosmic champion without suicides, Corvus is the best cosmic champion with suicides
    - CMM is extremely overrated, a solid champ but not elite (she's only elite when she needs to burst down opponents with her indestructible + has the Nick Fury synergy).
    - All 4 of the heralds of galactus have delivered in MCOC. CGR is top tier, Surfer and Terrax are elite, and Air-Walker is solid.
    - Venom The Duck is a C tier champion, possibly even lower. Terrible, terrible champion. A 4 fight buildup for 10 buffs that last for a whole 12 seconds, pathetic. Needs an update to his kit.
    - Vision (Aarkus) is a beast, so much utility and damage.
    - Doctor Doom, Apocalypse, and CGR are the #3, #4, and #5 best champions in the game (Quake #1, Ghost #2 obviously)
    - Psycho Man and Yellowjacket are both absolute utility machines. Both extremely underrated, and even though they have supbar damage, they make up for it with elite utility.
    - OG Scarlet Witch is a D tier champion by 2021's standards, bad champion that is 100% RNG reliant for both her utility and damage (even more so than Domino)
    - Sym Supreme is the 2nd best mystic champion

    ...and now I breathe. This was fun.

    1. Nah. It’s Mags or Omega
    2. You’re tripping. AA can do so much, plus his AAR is great
    3. No. Quake, Ghost, Nick, CMM, Hype, Ægon, Doom, and more are all better
    4. Again, no. She’s better than the C tier
    5. While their may be flaws, he’s still got solid utility and decent damage. (But I think he’s still bugged) No.
    6. No. While I like Air-Walker, the ramp up is pain and the payoff isn’t that worth it
    7. I wouldn’t say Elite, but yes he’s good. Can’t wait to get mine awakened
    8. You obviously haven’t played Miles Morales. Or SIM.
    9. She’s not a miss by any stretch. A miss is someone like Nova. Overrated? Idk don’t have one I use
    10. Falcon maybe Kingpin no
    11. Yes
    12. Yes, especially GR. His damage feels pathetic
    13. Hype without suicides, Corvus with
    14. Nah. She’s a total beast for content and can finish with so much help. Her needing Nick shouldn’t matter.
    15. Air-Walker was a flop
    16. He needs good block prof without the buff. It’s terrible holy ****
    17. Yes
    18. Thought Horseman Gambit was top 5? Also, Apocalypse and CGR aren’t top 5
    19. Yes
    20. You’re tripping. She can do a lot
    21. Errrr... top 3 but not 2. That’s Claire
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    Rayaan_2000Rayaan_2000 Posts: 655 ★★★

    So the forum is full of controversial opinions and such, so I’d like to here some of yours and start some healthy (I.e no shaming and a thoughtful discussion) debate about certain opinions.

    See an opinion you disagree with? Respond with a counter argument that isn’t “well you’re just a scrub and my opinion is obviously better” Hopefully we can all learn somethings about all these champs in h the game.

    Here’s a few of my opinions to start:
    Quake is better than Ghost
    Killmonger is better than Elsa
    Yellowjacket is underrated
    Mister Fantastic is better than the majority of you give him credit for
    G2099 isn’t a top 3 tech

    Here's my two cents on this topic, can we please stop with this underrated, overrated, x is trash, y is bad, z is top 5 tech, mutant, skill blah blah blah blah.
    I swear the forums are starting to become more and more like oddsbible each and every passing day
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    Jacob72518Jacob72518 Posts: 88

    So the forum is full of controversial opinions and such, so I’d like to here some of yours and start some healthy (I.e no shaming and a thoughtful discussion) debate about certain opinions.

    See an opinion you disagree with? Respond with a counter argument that isn’t “well you’re just a scrub and my opinion is obviously better” Hopefully we can all learn somethings about all these champs in h the game.

    Here’s a few of my opinions to start:
    Quake is better than Ghost
    Killmonger is better than Elsa
    Yellowjacket is underrated
    Mister Fantastic is better than the majority of you give him credit for
    G2099 isn’t a top 3 tech

    Hmm... I feel Ghost is better, but i like playing her more, so that bases my opinion.
    Agreed, KM is a beast.
    Agreed, Damage isn’t always needed when utility is high.
    Agreed, MF is a great Lab/Abyss option with prefights.
    Ghost, Warlock, then Guardian for me. Guilly is 4th in tech, followed by Sentinel and Darkhawk.
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    Jacob72518Jacob72518 Posts: 88
    1. Tigra is top 5 mystic (at least) with a skilled player.
    2. Mephisto has an underrated kit and he deserves more respect
    3. King Groot, Jane Foster, OG Spidey, and Civil Warrior don’t need buffs. (damage tune ups maybe)
    4. Ghost is better than quake in endgame content.
    5. Psylocke is the best power control character in game.

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    A7madD1wA7madD1w Posts: 103
    edited February 2021
    ghost is easy to learn
    tigra is easily top 5 mystic
    elsa super overrated
    CMM super overrated
    namor is super overrated, barely top 10 mutant
    thing overrated af
    red guardian kinda overrated
    hawkeye pretty overrated
    rogue underrated
    surfer kinda underrated
    guardian is top 3 tech
    domino and sunspot are both mid tier champions
    magneto is the best mutant in the game
    abom is a pretty solid champion(with rg)


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    OGAvengerOGAvenger Posts: 1,121 ★★★★★
    1. BWDO is the most satisfying champ to play

    2. iHulk is actually very fun to play and is underrated

    3. Apocalypse is a great champ on his own

    4. Stark Spidey gets a lot of hate but is still a top tech champ
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    A7madD1wA7madD1w Posts: 103
    HI_guys said:

    A7madD1w said:

    ghost is easy to learn
    tigra is easily top 5 mystic
    elsa super overrated
    CMM super overrated
    namor is super overrated, barely top 10 mutant
    thing overrated af
    red guardian kinda overrated
    hawkeye pretty overrated
    rogue underrated
    surfer kinda underrated
    guardian is top 3 tech
    domino and sunspot are both mid tier champions
    magneto is the best mutant in the game
    abom is a pretty solid champion(with rg)


    Any champ is easy to learn. Mastering the champ is what takes time and practice. I could quake and shake after a few fights. But managing it for 5 minutes and more without a single hit is hard. Managing fights like havok and DS with quake takes practice.

    Same goes for Ghost. Being able to retaliate even if there was only a millisecond of phase left takes practice and confidence. Intercepting rhino with just one hit into phase takes practice. Cmm is not overreted. Red guardian does what no one else can.
    how is cmm not overrated? literally all she has is burst damage and armor breaks, really not that impressive.
    red guardian does what no one else can, but he's so niche that you really won't ever use him. keeping up his debuffs is also pretty stressful
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    Pancake_FacePancake_Face Posts: 1,390 ★★★★
    Stark Enhanced is underrated now and is a top 3 tech
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    GreanGrean Posts: 1,397 ★★★★
    Hyperion isn't above CGR or CMM because a lot of his damage is from rng
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    Pancake_FacePancake_Face Posts: 1,390 ★★★★
    Grean said:

    Hyperion isn't above CGR or CMM because a lot of his damage is from rng

    I would disagree. CMM and CGR is also rng. CGR relies on crits and CMM i think just has a little less utility.
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    GreanGrean Posts: 1,397 ★★★★

    Grean said:

    Hyperion isn't above CGR or CMM because a lot of his damage is from rng

    I would disagree. CMM and CGR is also rng. CGR relies on crits and CMM i think just has a little less utility.
    Cgr has 8400 additional crit rate, and with aptitude it is 16800, so not really that rng dependant. his damage without crits is still really good

    Cmm has the indestructible, loads of debuffs and buffs, and she isn't reliant on specials
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