Today's offer drop rates

Aren't these offers supposed to reveal drop rates according to Apple's TOS? I mean real drop rates not the joke there is now.

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Solswerd

I did some looking around, and every thing I can find on Apple policies regarding drop rates says that have to show the odds of getting different types of items...there is nothing saying that they have to break down the odds of getting different quantities of the same item. It sucks, but it does look like it is allowed.

Masterpuff

And Kabam is clearly going to keep it a secret to you get enticed by a 25% t5cc and when you are really gonna get 5% 😔

GroundedWisdom

There are no Drop Rates when the Crystal guarantees what's in it. The Crystal contains 25% of whatever Class you select. There's no chance of pulling something else. 100%.

Masterpuff

*5%

Castle_Bravo2

Cosmic also missing here.

GroundedWisdom

Damn. My eyes skipped to the 25%. You're right.
Hmm....I guess technically it gives Frags 100%. I can see the confusion though.

GroundedWisdom

No, I get it now. I saw the Offer and saw 25%. At least it's upfront that people are taking a chance anyway.

Burrito2525

Still no cosmic for me

Gamer

With also is the case you is 100 procent to get fragments of the class you chose

GroundedWisdom

Perhaps not upfront, but I believe the policies apply to different types of Items. Not quantities. So they're technically not violating anything.

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CoMinow

They can be as technically protected as possible. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s greasy and dirty to not give drop rates!

People can argue all they want, that it’s not different items so you don’t need to list them separately. Those people simply don’t understand that the drop rates are a result of the mystery box being a gambling device. When I go to Vegas and use a slot machine I get payout rates which are the exact same thing as drop rates. The machine does not say you’re guaranteed to get some amount of cash back if you win! The same with scratch off‘s or any other gambling device

This is an absolute violation of the intent of the rule in apples TOS! It may very well be technically allowed. It is however a technicality that they are using to their advantage to screw people out of knowing what they are actually paying for period!

I will absolutely be complaining to Apple if we are not informed of these rates prior to this deal expiring

CoMinow

As a consumer I have the right to know what exactly I am paying for @kabam anyone

DrZola

It disappoints me to see this kind of shenanigans.

In my opinion, the information asymmetry is what makes this feel really gross.

What’s the benefit to the player from not knowing the drop rates? Surprise? Anticipation? Excitement? Hard to see anything significant. What’s the benefit if the drop rates get displayed? Full information before spending real world money, which is pretty relevant.

What’s the benefit to Kabam from
not disclosing the drop rates? Do more players buy than might ordinarily because of the way it’s marketed? What’s the downside if the actual drop rates get displayed? I don’t have answers to all of those questions because I don’t have the data on in-game offers.

But it would be refreshing to see a gaming company take the high road on “for cash” offers and provide full and fair disclosure that allows consumers to make an informed decision.

Dr. Zola

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DrZola

Depends probably on what counts as an “item.” If that’s a term of art defined in the policies, it would be worth noting. There are technically separate and distinct “items” from what I can tell from reading the crystal description in that there are variable amounts.

Just disclose it when it’s a cash offer. Why play these games?

Dr. Zola

GroundedWisdom

They're not playing games. They're doing what any company would do. Adhering to the guidelines to the letter. If you run a business, you're not going to disclose more than you have to. That's just logical.

Demonzfyre

They don't provide drop rates for the different amounts of gold either. I think these fall under the same guidelines as all the loot is t5cc

Demonzfyre

Wait... You got what you paid for but still say "kabscam"? Again, why do you play this game? Why do you spend money on a game from a company you seem to hate so much?

Demonzfyre

But it's not. It's T5CC. Prem hero crystals list of the chance at each rarity. Not for each champ in that rarity. If you buy a 4* crystal offer, it's 100% chance at a 4 * champion.

You have a 100% to get T5cc frags.

Goldpool crystals don't show drop rates for the different amounts of gold either. Again, as much hate as you all toss at Kabam, they don't break the law. Why would they purposefully set themselves up for lawsuits?

Dontsellthem

2 accounts= 7% each 😔

DrZola

I wouldn’t pretend to know the legal technicalities of phone game offers.

But it fascinates me—in a world where labeling disclosure is so tightly regulated and we can know down to the calorie or gram what we (or even our pets) are consuming, where the efficacy of a countertop battery-operated LED holiday light requires multi-jurisdictional disclosure about carcinogens, proper operation, maintenance, fire risks and much more, and where even a simple plastic bag used as product packaging carries warning labels—that some people are willing to accept and defend the bare minimum from certain sectors.

Dr. Zola

ItsDamien

Inversely if you look at the FDA they have an allowable rate of bugs and rat feces in canned goods, and the amount of pus allowed in Milk. The only allowable amount of any of those things should be zero, but here we are.

Demonzfyre

I don't pretend to know the legal technicalities either. But I do know that big dollar companies go out of their way to not lose profits by legal mistakes like an in game offer.

Whether you accept that Kabam is doing the bare minimum or not, doing the bare minimum isn't wrong. The the loot box guidelines do not state they don't have to list drop rates for amounts, Kabam isn't obligated to list them. These T5CC crystals aren't the only ones that do this. All gold crystals do this as well yet no one's on here complaining about those and they've been in the game for years. Yes you can spend them on game earned units and not real cash but the 3 day offer that included Pools Gold crystals don't list the different amounts of gold either.

You can not buy the offer and that sends the biggest message to a company anyway. Besides, aside from a few of us, how many in this community is going to believe the drops rates if they list them? Tons of crazies on here already subscribe to the conspiracy of the "patent" being in the game. No one believes that in a 4/5/6* crystal, champions have the same chance to be pulled.

With as many uneducated, conspiracy believing nutjobs as there are in this community, I'd do the bare minimum as well.

Demonzfyre

I never said you were filing a lawsuit.

I should have just used the Gold Crystals as an example. Those drop different amounts of gold but only say 100% chance at gold. They've been in the game forever but no one's complaining about those.

Deacon

no matter the drop rate .. 99% of people who buy this will get the lowest value which is 2250 of whatever class they choose.

Demonzfyre

Doubtful. I got 2% but of the people that mentioned they bought it in this thread, not a single of of them got 2%.

Bolland

Can you only buy one of the class offers once? It doesn’t state if there is a limit to how many you can buy per class or in total.

Demonzfyre

They aren't? So the 10 Pools Gold crystals that were included in the 850 unit offer for $29.99 wasn't real? Weird. Sure felt real when I bought it 2 days ago.

Kabam sells gold crystals for 20 units for 1. I can buy 55 gold crystals with $40.

Demonzfyre

Only one class per offer