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  • slackerslacker Posts: 583 ★★★
    It is me or i feel like kabam just rework Hood, he's like different champ, that said i wish they keep his core utility
  • slackerslacker Posts: 583 ★★★
    Basicly, Kabam just rework Hood not morderate update
  • Grim7787Grim7787 Posts: 71

    Grim7787 said:

    Kappa2g said:

    GIve the fate seal back but on the SP3, remove the bleed. Have the heavy attack refresh/pause shock instead of bleed.
    The bleed never made sense on his kit or identity as a mystic anyway.
    Bullet into burst mechanic seems fun and bullet generation is better than it looks on paper.

    I’d be on board with that. Would basically be like Sym Sup
    Having to save for a SP3 is much more cumbersome, that shouldn’t have to be necessary.
    Agreed, but it’s a compromise I’d be good with...

    Like I said, think of Sym Sup. Difference with him is he nullifies everything at fight start as well cuz of the cunning trigger...

    Otherwise, most go to sp3 to nullify everything, then start wrecking everything...
  • Grim7787Grim7787 Posts: 71
    edited March 2
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  • Grim7787Grim7787 Posts: 71
    Don’t know why that posted twice, lol
  • slackerslacker Posts: 583 ★★★
    edited March 2

    slacker said:

    It is me or i feel like kabam just rework Hood, he's like different champ, that said i wish they keep his core utility

    He feels completely different. And after using him for hours today, it’s not just the Hex Seal. It’s a combination of everything. He has a new play style, new strengths, new weaknesses, different uses.... they didn’t give him an update. They took him out and put back something else with the same name.
    Basicly, Kabam just overhaul Hood !?
  • KooopaTrooopaKooopaTrooopa Posts: 40
    disappointed to see these changes for my 6*r2 hood.
  • Grim7787Grim7787 Posts: 71

    Grim7787 said:

    Grim7787 said:

    Kappa2g said:

    GIve the fate seal back but on the SP3, remove the bleed. Have the heavy attack refresh/pause shock instead of bleed.
    The bleed never made sense on his kit or identity as a mystic anyway.
    Bullet into burst mechanic seems fun and bullet generation is better than it looks on paper.

    I’d be on board with that. Would basically be like Sym Sup
    Having to save for a SP3 is much more cumbersome, that shouldn’t have to be necessary.
    Agreed, but it’s a compromise I’d be good with...

    Like I said, think of Sym Sup. Difference with him is he nullifies everything at fight start as well cuz of the cunning trigger...

    Otherwise, most go to sp3 to nullify everything, then start wrecking everything...
    But that fits into his rotation perfectly. With Hood, for good damage, you need to fire off sp2 for damage and invisiblity or use an sp3 then. Fate Seal acts as a nullify so it could help keep the bullets topped up.
    That’s the part they probably think is “Op”, lol

    I’m not saying I like it, just saying it’s a compromise I could live with...

    You’d still have the fate seal and get the bullet boost, would just take a few extra hits...
  • Ksp_2099Ksp_2099 Posts: 729 ★★★

    Is this a bug or secret rotation?
    I can reactivate invisibility buff even when the timer is on after dashing back and holding.
    Don't know how did it happened, but after sometime it stopped.

  • tidusx2jrtidusx2jr Posts: 179

    Unless I'm missing something, his damage isn't even all that great. Compared to before, yeah, but not compared to current meta.

    The bullet juggling is still a bad imo, but more manageable than expected. Even with the effort, he still doesn't enter the ranks of what I consider damage-dealers.


  • KRoNX1KRoNX1 Posts: 1,090 ★★★★
    I think RDT is the way to go. There r some who liked the buff and there r OG hood players who didnt. His mechanics was also changed.
  • Erik_Killmonger1001Erik_Killmonger1001 Posts: 320 ★★
    Aleor said:

    Unless I'm missing something, his damage isn't even all that great. Compared to before, yeah, but not compared to current meta.

    The bullet juggling is still a bad imo, but more manageable than expected. Even with the effort, he still doesn't enter the ranks of what I consider damage-dealers.

    His dmg is def solid. This is a r1 and he did a 165k burst on a heavy
    Sorry, I'm not feeling like watching the vid. How many hits/time did it take you to get enough bullets to get those 165k? Compare to ghost, who can do same damage in, let it be 2 sp2. Maybe even 1. Cgr. Hype. Domino. Namor. Storm kabam skin. Morningstar, if you wish. Hell, I just tried elsa, and she had +-10 hits on rol ws. Compared to r2 hood, r1 elsa works just as well. And I don't even know, what is the best way to use her.
    Without those bullets he has same damage he had before, but even less. His sp1 is pretty much useless now. Before you could've use it once at least and keep refreshing his shock over the fight. Now if you don't use heavy in time and hex expire, it does nothing. All that and removing his core mechanics to make him a generic unreliable miss champ?
    It's skill based, timing sp2s and invisibility buffs to use miss and maintain bullets he can get some incredible burst damage. I feel like the community has become desensitised to what is good damage and is starting to see ghost and CGR as the baseline for what champions damage should be instead of the ridiculous stupid over the top nuts champions that they are. Champions can have exceptional damage without hitting as hard as the top tier champs. An 80 hit fight isn't a failure of damage he got a 250k burst at the end. Stop expecting for champions with high damage that it should be easy to access, I love killmonger he can have a mad sp3 bleed but you have to put in the work first it is similar situation here, remember ghost is the outlier not the baseline. Yes ghost CGR could have done that in much less hits but that is because they are stupidly powerful not because hood is a noodle.
  • Grim7787Grim7787 Posts: 71
    Ksp_2099 said:


    Is this a bug or secret rotation?
    I can reactivate invisibility buff even when the timer is on after dashing back and holding.
    Don't know how did it happened, but after sometime it stopped.

    Invisibility could be overlapped previously as well...

    If you had an sp2 ready, you could go invisible. So with MD vs multiple buffs, it happened quite often
  • Speedro420Speedro420 Posts: 923 ★★★
    RDT may be the way to go but it doesn’t fix the issue of the Ghost trinity, really amazing Ghost players run Hood before Wasp because of the value of that synergy. Now Hood doesn’t fulfill his role in that trinity and you have one less spot because you have to bring a buff counter besides hood along with Ghost. Not to mention the players who like to run Ghost, Wasp, Hood.
  • AgresssorAgresssor Posts: 243
    edited March 2
    Now i can use my Hood more frequently and not for specific situations once per 6 months as before for the buffs control with fateseal even if he lost this ability, there are still 200 champions it is very naive to want everything at once in one character.

    Even Aegon who is the strongest, in certain areas of the game he is not competent.

    Before the changes my hood was lying around and I took him only once a year because of his fateseal ability but after update i can use him more than before.

    Fateseal is nice to have but if i need to choice the old version or new version i will choice the new one with new mechanics and +200k burst damage, also now he can counter attack like ghost + you can parry while in invisible, + decent health steal and i hope its not a bug.

    Mags lost hes ability to tank sp 3 + healblock = no panic

    Old man logan lost hes passive regen = no panic

    I gave fateseal in return i got much better invisibility ( in my opion ), decent regen / suicide friendly ( in my opininion ), nice burst damage with some fun mechanics ( in my opinion ) + better signature ability
  • PulyamanPulyaman Posts: 1,882 ★★★★★
    edited March 2
    HI_guys said:

    Pulyaman said:

    I don't have a programming background or game development knowledge. But I do have an idea of checking your design before releasing. Can someone explain to be how some basic inconsistencies( don't know if they are bugs or not) like life steal, bullets on heavy which many people found just by playing the character once could not be found before character release? It's a genuine question and not an attack in the developers.

    Not a game developer but, it is possible because there are so much stuff in the game, and since hood also has persistent charges , all persistent charges champs have something missing and they still haven't figured out what it is.
    Don't even get me started on the persistent charge issue. I pulled 6 star nick fury from the basics last week, was very excited because I got skill AG, skill T5CC and skill R1-2 gem after act 6 completion and was jumping for joy, till I realized that he was bugged as hell. I could not use my 5 star reliably for so long.

    2 wars ago, in the first fight he lost his LMD and lost health to 30%. Second fight he started in the first phase at 30% and I was confused as hell. I am not going to take up a bugged champ to R3 based on the hope that Kabam will fix him later. He is still bugged after the update and they have not released any timeline for the fix.
  • BendyBendy Posts: 1,520 ★★★
    edited March 2
    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Texas_11 said:

    They just need to give rank down tickets and move on. Because next month we have more champs coming, and then the month after that. All of these buffs are good for the game

    Along with A commitment to hand out rank down tickets for any other future champ change where core utility is removed for no reason.
    Rank down tickets are on a champ by champ basis. Every buff they have brought to us has been successful including the Hood buff. Sure there was a small group of players that were affected they can get their RD2, but that sets a dangerous precedent that every champ buffed or rebalanced deserves a rank down tickets. It was years before people stop screaming RDT for everything.

    Most you tubers I have seen actually are enjoying the new hood, some are not, but there are a ton more people who just got present because hood can do more than he use to overall , outside of fate seal.
    I don’t remember saying all champIon changes should result in RDTs...
    Oh that’s right, it’s because I didn’t.
    I said when core utility is removed like in this case here with hood.
    There are people upset because civil warrior lost his AAR.

    Angela lost her ability to not get her buffs nullified

    Hood lost his ability to fate seal

    Mags lost his SP3

    OML lost his passive buff

    It is part of the game, you signed up for that when you agreed to their terms, so did I. Champs get buffed , champs get rebalances, it’s what allows us to come on the forums and have this discussion. A mid tier player with 2 6* champs will really benefit from this rework. It affected some of those mid tier players , but now they have a champ that can take them through more content. Yes he lost the fate seal, but he gained much more. If you aren’t happy with the buff , the best you can do is Rank down your hood if they provide tickets , which they have no obligation to.

    It’s either we have a champion pool with over 230 champs who are just arena fodders or just let the game die , because people don’t want champs to change. It just doesn’t work like that, anywhere!

    A meta can’t be created where only 6-7 champs are at the top. Hood solved a couple niche problems , yes I admit that but now he is viable everywhere. I loved hood before the buff, and still do. With as many champions in the game they have to bring the bottom to the middle . Hood could hardly ever trigger rage nodes because his damage was so low and getting out damaged by 3* champs.

    At this point Kabam can give you three options .

    Option 1 .) RDT to take a champ back to a lower tier and reinvest their resources.

    Option 2.) You can enjoy the new champ .

    Option 3.) you get pushed out of the game and quit and never look back( which always is a healthy choice for us all )

    Bonus option: They throw a fate seal on the SP3 and make you sacrifice damage for utility.
    Think u should read angela sig again as she didnt lose the ability of buffs being nullified as she still has it of every buff reduces nullify and autoblock ability accuracy by x%

    Edit: seeing gameplay hood defo seems like a newer champ due to his core ability is now different and match up counters has changed due to the buff do hope kabam puts back the fate seal
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