Why I think Magneto (House of X) is criminally underrated

Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★
Ah yes, Magneto.

The other one, not the one that deals OHKO Sp3s.

Hardly anyone seems to remember that he exists, and I can't say I blame them. With a Beyond God Tier big bro, it's hard staying in the spotlight. I myself didn't really give him much thought except as a way to get guaranteed Parries.

All that changes when he's paired with his Synergies. So strap in, lads and lasses, and we're going to see why White Mags might actually be *almost* as good as his big bro once he brings some friends along for the ride.

First, the Synergy team: Mags (HoX), Prof X, Guardian. Optionally Colossus as well.
Magneto's Atonement lets him gain +8% attack rating, but when combined with Professor X it's potency increases by 25%, raising the Synergy to 10% damage. He also gains an additional 5% attack rating in a fight, so make that +15%.
Now, his Magnetism gives him AAR and decreases Power Rate on the opponent, but it also grants him an approximately 25% damage increase.
Next is the Synergy with Guardian, which lets Mags gain an extra Persistent Charge after winning a fight against #Villains, and also grants a 10% attack bonus against them as well.
Finally, Professor X's Drug M increases his Pre-fight Ability's potency by a flat 5% (in regular fights) or 15% (in Boss battles.)

Now, let's put it all together.

Against #Metal Champs: 15+25 (from Magnetism)+15 (from the Pre-fight)+5 (from Drug M)= 60% bonus attack rating.
Against #Villain Champs: 15+10 (from Guardian)+15 (from Pre-fight)+5 (from Drug M)= 45% bonus attack rating.

Still not convinced? How about his Specials? His Prowess lets him build upto atleast +105% Special damage from Heavies alone, and combined with Prof X's Birthright synergy that's raised to 205% increased Special damage. An additional base 10% Special attack rating as part of Mags' Mutation makes him deal a baseline of +215% Special attack damage. And that's excluding the extra Prowess you'll build from basic attacks.

ALSO also, the Pre-fight Ability mentioned in these calculations is based on a regular fight, not a BOSS BATTLE, WHICH RAISES PRE-FIGHT POTENCY TO 30%! That's an additional 10% attack rating!

Is he as good as Red Mags? Probably not. Is he a valuable addition to a team? Absolutely, as his abovementioned damage also accompanies his powerful utility. His Synergies also increase his range of attack, making him not only a counter to Metal Champs but also Villains, as getting back 2 Charges from fighting either lets him use his Pre-fight against them without worry.

I'd also talk about Metal Villains like Ghost and Doom and the combined effects of Magnetism and the Guardian Synergy, but I think I'll stop here for now.

Tl;dr- White Mags is amazing and can deal huge damage with very little effort.

Comments

  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★
    What are your thoughts on this? Any mistakes I've made, anything you'd like to add? Feel free to do so.
  • the_eradicatorthe_eradicator Posts: 230 ★★★
    Magneto House of X, gives you passive stun and guidance boost in attack. I think that alone is a very very good team synergy. Passive stun cannot be shrugged off. And he does a ton of damage on sp1 and sp2s.
    Obviously weaker than red mags but in no way is he under-rated. The true players know his worth.
  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★

    Can you show/link to some videos for an example of the above in action?

    I wish I could, but my device lags every time I try taking a video.
    I do have a couple of pics though.
    This is 5* R2 Unawakened Mags against RoL WS.


    Due to not being fully ramped up he required a greater number of hits, but it's just an example of what he can do. No Pre-fight Ability used here.
  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★

    Magneto House of X, gives you passive stun and guidance boost in attack. I think that alone is a very very good team synergy. Passive stun cannot be shrugged off. And he does a ton of damage on sp1 and sp2s.
    Obviously weaker than red mags but in no way is he under-rated. The true players know his worth.

    Weirdly enough, HoX Mags actually fits my team better than his villainous self, as I've already got plenty of heavy hitters (chief being Colossus and Professor X), but no reliable answer to Limber or Masochism. I actually first noticed his importance when my Prof X got wrecked by Crossbones, but Mags completely shut him down by using Magnetism for the AAR and passive stuns when the Magnetism failed. Similar stories with Kingpin, Molegod and Korg.
  • GreywardenGreywarden Posts: 798 ★★★★
    So bring synergies to be almost as good as another champ by themselves. Got it lol.

    White mags isn't a scrub but if you're doing any kind of fight against metal and you have a choice between the 2 it should be obvious who you go with.
  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★

    So bring synergies to be almost as good as another champ by themselves. Got it lol.

    White mags isn't a scrub but if you're doing any kind of fight against metal and you have a choice between the 2 it should be obvious who you go with.

    But Mags' Pre-fight is super helpful in a lot of situations. For example, he's the perfect Jabari Panther and Silver Centurion counter. Passive Stun prevents Cleanse from fully working, Bleed immunity lets you get clipped a little, and Magnetism speaks for itself. There are plenty of burst damage Champs in the game, but very few Champs that can provide your teammates with an actual extra ability.
    It all depends on your roster at the end of the day, and with a Professor X and Colossus on my team I don't need bigger damage dealers. White Mags gives me the little utility I need to make my team perfect.
  • IKONIKON Posts: 992 ★★★★★
    Wags is just as valuable to a team as Mags, have an R3 6* of each. Wags makes some hard AW fights a total joke with prefight.
  • Tostig32Tostig32 Posts: 17
    As someone who has white mags at r2, hoping to take to r3 some day everything you have said is right. He hits hard, hashas so much utility and is extremely easy to use.I bring him basically everywhere when I need the team to just be stronger. He is bleed immune, has psychic shielding and of course counters metal champs. I think the people underrating him are the ones who were in awe of red mags and forgot that white mags existed, along with those who live and die by a certain tier list.

    I think him not being readily available as a 5* also makes him very easily forgotten. Still not sure why kabam cherry pick certain 5*s to not be in the basic pool in 2021. Makes no sense
  • pseudosanepseudosane Posts: 984 ★★★★
    I love my r2 white mags. Part of the reason why im so salty about the persistent charge bug, makes him unusable. White mags is a good champ in his own right and great with his prefight.
  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★
    Tostig32 said:

    As someone who has white mags at r2, hoping to take to r3 some day everything you have said is right. He hits hard, hashas so much utility and is extremely easy to use.I bring him basically everywhere when I need the team to just be stronger. He is bleed immune, has psychic shielding and of course counters metal champs. I think the people underrating him are the ones who were in awe of red mags and forgot that white mags existed, along with those who live and die by a certain tier list.

    I think him not being readily available as a 5* also makes him very easily forgotten. Still not sure why kabam cherry pick certain 5*s to not be in the basic pool in 2021. Makes no sense

    I feel like it also has to do with him being so incredibly bugged on release. He was already being slandered a fair bit for not being as devastating as Red Mags, but his Pre-fight consoled people for the most part. When even that aspect became borderline unusable people just forgot about him.
    With the increasing presence of Tenacity and abilities that punish Parries appearing in Champs I feel like Wags is going to be like Silver Surfer, in that people are slowly coming around to realising how insanely useful he is in newer content.
  • KerneasKerneas Posts: 1,887 ★★★★
    While I do not own White mags higher than 3* I believe, this post has made me change my view of this champ a bit. Thank you
  • Denslo500Denslo500 Posts: 484 ★★★
    Completely agree with OP.
    Wags is the base that I build each team around.

    Even Seatin downgrades him because of Rags. Wagneto is easily God Tier.
  • DarkZenDarkZen Posts: 216
    ... Recently got him as a 6* star... without synergies... whats the best way to use him ?
  • Denslo500Denslo500 Posts: 484 ★★★
    Short fight
    3 heavies, sp1

    Medium fight
    same, then sp2 while armor break still up.

    Long fight
    can’t decide if sp3 helps that much compared to using the 3 bars for another sp1/sp2 set.

    Simple.
    Which I need for complex opponents and nodes.
  • Denslo500Denslo500 Posts: 484 ★★★
    Duping helps a lot, because the armor break lasts a loooong time.

    I got lucky and naturally duped my 6*
  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★
    Denslo500 said:

    Short fight
    3 heavies, sp1

    Medium fight
    same, then sp2 while armor break still up.

    Long fight
    can’t decide if sp3 helps that much compared to using the 3 bars for another sp1/sp2 set.

    Simple.
    Which I need for complex opponents and nodes.

    The Sp3 doesn't really help out, and you actually run the risk of losing the Prowess. It's pretty easy to maintain around 5-6 Prowess with a fairly aggressive playstyle, so I just use the Sp1-Sp2 combination.

    A strange thing I noticed about Mags' Heavy animation is that it's a little weird, in that each Heavy pushes him back a tiny bit, but the quick single strike allows you to spam Heavies in the corner, but the abovementioned pushback makes you whiff after 5 or so Heavies. He's also very good at Heavy intercepts, and he's got a surprising amount of range.
  • KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,807 ★★★★★
    White Mags is amazing
  • Primerprime5Primerprime5 Posts: 797 ★★★

    White Mags is amazing

    Waiting for the day I pull Apocalypse, then he'll be a Horseman all day long.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Posts: 688 ★★★
    White mags is...



    not in my roster :(
  • Haji_SaabHaji_Saab Posts: 5,343 ★★★★★
    I think White mags should be compared to other champs because red mags is clearly better for anything that is metal.

    White mags when compared to the rest is still a decent champ.
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