1. Yes that particular patch was a sad one but did not involve a buff or synergies that ruined them 2. SW is still fine. She wasn’t ruined and is still a great mystic and damage dealer
Look, I have a sig140 5/65 Ant-Man. I used a science awakening gem on him and 120 sig stones on him before I ever pulled him again. I love him and I used to use him all the time alongside my six star Ghost. I’m even the one who nailed down his ideal team for his maximum damage, but damn, he needs a buff. Seriously. Buff Ant-Man
I think same he need buff but he can be good with tune up can you imagine his poison 2 times stronger he give more debuffs and glancing all the opponents hits so it means he can be good with tune up because he at least have something and like I said he will no longer have op synergies if he get rework,but can you tell me can jane be good with tune up?She has nothing
Jane foster has way more utility compared to ant man, stagger, energy resistance, shock resistance, stun chain, crit damage.
Ant man has glancing, which leads to slightly less block damage. Fatigue and a poison that deals as much damage as a 1*.
Ant mans abilities are 3 lines. What are you going to tune up?
Even if he glanced every hit, applied fatigue on every hit and the poison did nice damage he would still be overwhelmingly mediocre.
I’m not saying Jane only needs a tune up, but ant man could not possible only need a tune up
And again, you’re saying he’s guaranteed to have the synergy removed, which is completely unfounded and simply not confirmed.
Yeah it's not confirmed but we have so many past experience if anything become good kabam immediately remove it
1. As people keep telling you, Ant-Man doesn't have a synergy with Ghost. Ghost has a synergy with Ant-Man. So no change to Ant-Man can affect the Ghost synergy with Ant-Man. In general Kabam doesn't change all the synergy partners with a champion they update.
2. Past experience says that champion updates generally work out well for the players. Not only do most champions that are updated become far more playable as attackers, the opposite fear, that they will also become overly potent defenders, tends not to materialize. Consider Hulkbuster, which a lot of people were saying when the update was announced that it would suck for players because as a champion tagged as a "defensive:tank" he wouldn't get a lot of offense, but would instead become an annoying defender. I pointed out that would defeat the purpose of champion updates, which are to make the champions more attractive for players to get and play. Which was in fact how HB was buffed.
I haven't sat down and counted recently, but I would say the devs are batting better than 80% on champion updates making champions substantially more valuable to play on attack. They don't all become top tier champs, but the vast majority become at least somewhat useful if not highly useful.
İ don't think it's big problem for kabam they can easily change ghosts synergy
Sure they can. So why haven't they done so yet, if they think it is "too good?"
Are you saying they are waiting for a change to Ant-Man to give them an excuse to change Ghost? That's absurd.
I know there are people who think Kabam is cartoonishly evil, but I didn't think they thought Kabam was run literally by cartoons. This is a champion update plan that was written by Skeletor to get He-Man to accidentally flush the keys to Castle Greyskull down the toilet.
I was thinking about how pointless your post was, but then I realized that there was a point. Bravo for making me have weird thoughts.
And yes I'm still simping for Guilly. Even in Science class, Joe has more potential than Ant-Man, but people seem convinced that Ghost needs a buff, lol. There's no way he'd be this popular without being synergy bait.
Tell me a content where one should use Ant-man without synergies. Oooohhhh there isn't one. Sorry Joe fixit.
Other options have some uses But Antman had literally two lines of ability + glancing mehcnaic which is mostly defensive ability. I don't think kabam will mess up the core synergy because last time they mess up the core ability of a character (Hood) they had to change it back.
One way or another My vote is good to Ant-man.
Can you tell me any synergies make joe or Jane good ?
Most people don't have Joe. He is not a part of some crazy synergies.(exactly my point)
I feel like Jane abilities are good, she just need some moderate update like kingpin. She has high energy resistance and if ability accuracy is enhanced them guaranteed stuns + crits.
It has to be Ant-Man — come on, now. He is basically unplayable without the dupe, and even with it, the kit just isn’t viable and hasn’t been for a long time
The other characters have various weaknesses that we all know. I am not saying that I don’t understand if someone wants to vote for someone else
But holy smokes. Ant-Man needs so much help to be playable....I gotta vote for a kit that needs this much help
I'm not voting Ant-Man because he's a science character. I yeah I have him, duped too. Also have Ghost, who I use practically every session. I'm also kinda iffy about what utility he'd have.
Since there's no tech class option, I think AV and Guilly are the best choices. Jane too, but I don't think her kit is as good a base.
AV got that shrug and AAR that everybody likes. I imagine he'd be like a KP/Xbones hybrid.
Guilly has heal reversal, healing, and bleeds. She deffo needs a nullify/fateseal, but an enhanced version of her kit sounds like the most fun to me. Especially if they put her at least in-line with SorcSup/Tigra/etc. Mystic class is a bit too dominated by Doom and SuicideClaire, especially on the suicide end.
We already got KP & Xbones buffs that in theory provide similar utility w/ debuff management & AAR. Why would we need AV to do the same thing?
I wouldn't be mad at a Guilly rework. She's already decent and a lot of fun to play, so would be great to see her make it into my more regular rotation with nullify and greater utility. That said, Ant Man has no abilities right now, straight up. The man's description fits on one page. They have the most creative freedom to really do a full re-work, and he's got nothing to lose. I think he has the potential to become a completely different champ with a brand new playstyle that could be a lot of fun, especially if it stands in contrast to Ghost/Wasp. Also in terms of player availability, so many people have him and it would allow everyone to enjoy the buff, regardless of if they use the quantum trinity team
I'm not voting Ant-Man because he's a science character. I yeah I have him, duped too. Also have Ghost, who I use practically every session. I'm also kinda iffy about what utility he'd have.
Since there's no tech class option, I think AV and Guilly are the best choices. Jane too, but I don't think her kit is as good a base.
AV got that shrug and AAR that everybody likes. I imagine he'd be like a KP/Xbones hybrid.
Guilly has heal reversal, healing, and bleeds. She deffo needs a nullify/fateseal, but an enhanced version of her kit sounds like the most fun to me. Especially if they put her at least in-line with SorcSup/Tigra/etc. Mystic class is a bit too dominated by Doom and SuicideClaire, especially on the suicide end.
We already got KP & Xbones buffs that in theory provide similar utility w/ debuff management & AAR. Why would we need AV to do the same thing?
I wouldn't be mad at a Guilly rework. She's already decent and a lot of fun to play, so would be great to see her make it into my more regular rotation with nullify and greater utility. That said, Ant Man has no abilities right now, straight up. The man's description fits on one page. They have the most creative freedom to really do a full re-work, and he's got nothing to lose. I think he has the potential to become a completely different champ with a brand new playstyle that could be a lot of fun, especially if it stands in contrast to Ghost/Wasp. Also in terms of player availability, so many people have him and it would allow everyone to enjoy the buff, regardless of if they use the quantum trinity team
That’s exactly how I feel — Ant-Man has absolutely nothing to lose. ANYTHING they do will make the kit better. It is basically impossible to harm the current kit
To me, that’s why you have to get Ant-Man on the schedule. No character should exist solely as part of synergies. There will always be best/worst characters, but Ant-Man’s kit is one where it simply isn’t feasible to play and it’s somehow even worse without a dupe
Is everyone going to overlook the fact that ant-mans and agent venoms sp1 is flawed and it doesnt connect half of the time?
whoever wins the vote will get an overhaul, but the animations will stay the same as that requires more time. it is specifically said in that post.
so if you like ant-man or agent venom and you want them to actually be viable, good champions, for whatever reason, the best thing you can actually do, is to vote against them and try to get their animations sorted out along with their upgrade!
Do you post the same thing in every antman thread? Overhaul could also mean an animation change. eg. DDHK
Is everyone going to overlook the fact that ant-mans and agent venoms sp1 is flawed and it doesnt connect half of the time?
whoever wins the vote will get an overhaul, but the animations will stay the same as that requires more time. it is specifically said in that post.
so if you like ant-man or agent venom and you want them to actually be viable, good champions, for whatever reason, the best thing you can actually do, is to vote against them and try to get their animations sorted out along with their upgrade!
Do you post the same thing in every antman thread? Overhaul could also mean an animation change. eg. DDHK
Not in this case. The post literally says this. Champions that they intend to give animation updates to are NOT on this list. They need to be scheduled separately from non-animation overhauls, which is what these are
if you dont think antman deserves to win here just check his abilities for once and then check others you will understand why everyone wants to vote for antman plus if he gets overhaul then he wont be a dead weight with ghost
Is everyone going to overlook the fact that ant-mans and agent venoms sp1 is flawed and it doesnt connect half of the time?
whoever wins the vote will get an overhaul, but the animations will stay the same as that requires more time. it is specifically said in that post.
so if you like ant-man or agent venom and you want them to actually be viable, good champions, for whatever reason, the best thing you can actually do, is to vote against them and try to get their animations sorted out along with their upgrade!
Do you post the same thing in every antman thread? Overhaul could also mean an animation change. eg. DDHK
Not in this case. The post literally says this. Champions that they intend to give animation updates to are NOT on this list. They need to be scheduled separately from non-animation overhauls, which is what these are
Fair point. But animation is not a reason for a champion not to be buffed.
Feel like I'm wasting time even voting for av as I see it Ant-man has already won ....looking thru the forums who everyone wants
the forums is not wholly representative. dont lose hope in whoever you pick. There are just a lot of loud voices here, there are tens of thousands who play who arent accounted for.
A buff on Antman is a waste. Unless they buff him like Red Mags or Colossus, Antman will never be better than his synergy.
If he's on your team, you're using Ghost anyway, and if Ghost can't do a fight like Maw or Sinister, many others can do it better.
Why do you think everyone voting for antman wants him to be better because of ghost? . I don't even use ghost and I am still voting for antman because he has the worst kit of of all the options and badly needs an overhaul.
Feel like I'm wasting time even voting for av as I see it Ant-man has already won ....looking thru the forums who everyone wants
the forums is not wholly representative. dont lose hope in whoever you pick. There are just a lot of loud voices here, there are tens of thousands who play who arent accounted for.
If the forums, the Reddit, the twitterverse, the Youtuberville were accurately representative of the playerbase Omega Sentinel would have won the champion vote by a significant margin. In fact, none of those communities has ever been representative of the playerbase as a whole. They have trouble accurately representing themselves a lot of the time.
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2. SW is still fine. She wasn’t ruined and is still a great mystic and damage dealer
Are you saying they are waiting for a change to Ant-Man to give them an excuse to change Ghost? That's absurd.
I know there are people who think Kabam is cartoonishly evil, but I didn't think they thought Kabam was run literally by cartoons. This is a champion update plan that was written by Skeletor to get He-Man to accidentally flush the keys to Castle Greyskull down the toilet.
And yes I'm still simping for Guilly. Even in Science class, Joe has more potential than Ant-Man, but people seem convinced that Ghost needs a buff, lol. There's no way he'd be this popular without being synergy bait.
I feel like Jane abilities are good, she just need some moderate update like kingpin. She has high energy resistance and if ability accuracy is enhanced them guaranteed stuns + crits.
Long story short-
Vote for Ant-man
The other characters have various weaknesses that we all know. I am not saying that I don’t understand if someone wants to vote for someone else
But holy smokes. Ant-Man needs so much help to be playable....I gotta vote for a kit that needs this much help
I wouldn't be mad at a Guilly rework. She's already decent and a lot of fun to play, so would be great to see her make it into my more regular rotation with nullify and greater utility. That said, Ant Man has no abilities right now, straight up. The man's description fits on one page. They have the most creative freedom to really do a full re-work, and he's got nothing to lose. I think he has the potential to become a completely different champ with a brand new playstyle that could be a lot of fun, especially if it stands in contrast to Ghost/Wasp. Also in terms of player availability, so many people have him and it would allow everyone to enjoy the buff, regardless of if they use the quantum trinity team
To me, that’s why you have to get Ant-Man on the schedule. No character should exist solely as part of synergies. There will always be best/worst characters, but Ant-Man’s kit is one where it simply isn’t feasible to play and it’s somehow even worse without a dupe