Crossbones vs Falcon

I keep seeing people saying that Falcon is way better than Crossbones for some reason, and I’m not really sure why. My best guess is that Falcon has been out longer but that’s my only theory. Their main functionality is having really convenient ability accuracy reduction, which they both have. Falcon can’t really do much else, but crossbones has damage, counters electro with outrun, can’t crit, and has up to 90% debuff purify. I think in general Falcon is overrated compared to the other skill reworks, I think his functionality is good but isn’t as good as it was before we got crossbones, Kingpin and Black panther, who got damage in addition to 100% aar. Basically, I think he is pretty good but also fairly overrated at the same time. I’m curious to see how the poll turns out considering how popular falcon seems to be.

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Texas_11

I think it is this way because falcon is a workhorse on his own, no thoughts required, doesn’t need synergies to be effective.

I think it comes down to people just don’t have the room for a mangog on their team.

Rockypantherx

I’ve been saying it since crossbones buff, he’s just Falcon but with higher potential damage, higher uptime, and more utility,

The caveat is that he requires much higher skill and more intensive knowledge of the game to be better than Falcon. Falcon is pretty mindless, but like Quake, Ghost, Tigra, if you put the effort in, Crossbones I stupidly powerful, and is more effective in more matchups than Falcon

I understand why people like the ease of Falcon though, but in the hands of a skilled player Crossbones can just do more.

And crossbones doesn’t really need Mangog. Is it nice? Sure. It is it necessary? No.

BitterSteel

Falcon doesn't have damage? He's got great damage for the amount of utility he provides. Mine crits on mediums easily 7-8k without class advantage, up to 10k with class advantage, and way more if the opponent evades. While that's obviously nowhere near crossbones level, it isnt anything to scoff at either.

Falcon also has the benefit of being incredibly simple to play, doesn't require heavy countering, opponent cooperation or anything. While that isn't the end all be all, it does make him a lot more accessible to more of the community, and therefore more people may end up using him

Chikel

CB needs buffs and you have to play fairly aggressively or bring a synergy champ to maintain them. Basically every quest nowadays has nodes that mess with buffs or punish you for having them.
With Falcon, he simply shuts them down, no buffs, synergies or specific gamepaly required. Also, while CB might have more damage in regular matchups, Falcon's damage is still pretty good and in Evade matchups, he blows CB out of the window.
CB can't crit? That's nice but with 100% DAAR, Falcon can crit all he want (Unless he's facing Sinister)
CB's advantage is the tenacity, AAR that covers both offensive and defensive and can go beyond 100, the ability to not crit. But the need for a synergy, Fairly aggressive gameplay and the dependence on buffs is what I don't like about him.

Polygon

You forgot to mention that crossbones relies on Mangog synergy which is why his buff which started off super hyped has lost some hype since

Sarvanga1_

Also falcon can access his aar from the start of the fight while cb needs a few combos to ramp up his furies for 100% AAR. That can be really crucial in a fight.

MrInsanity

Crossbones better

MrInsanity

I'm pretty sure Crossbones is the exact definition of better than Falcon in 80% of scenarios

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The_HoTU

People will take time to realise Xbones is better than Falcon.

Polygon

You forgot to mention that crossbones relies on Mangog synergy which is why his buff which started off super hyped has lost some hype since
Is the synergi a bonus? absolutely, does he rely on it? heck no. not even close to relying on it

This is a common misconception, sure he doesn’t rely on it since you can still obtain 100% daar (albeit its an annoying offense playstyle with heavies having to be thrown). But in order for him to be a truely top skill champ he needs the Mangog synergy otherwise the furies just fall down before he can get those high numbers going. He still has the utility without mangog, but the damage isn’t top tier like the other skill champs.

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Polygon

You forgot to mention that crossbones relies on Mangog synergy which is why his buff which started off super hyped has lost some hype since
Is the synergi a bonus? absolutely, does he rely on it? heck no. not even close to relying on it
This is a common misconception, sure he doesn’t rely on it since you can still obtain 100% daar (albeit its an annoying offense playstyle with heavies having to be thrown). But in order for him to be a truely top skill champ he needs the Mangog synergy otherwise the furies just fall down before he can get those high numbers going. He still has the utility without mangog, but the damage isn’t top tier like the other skill champs.
My input might not be too valuable here as I don't have mangog, but his bonus is only for hero fights, and in hero fight crossbones can stack furies so much faster. I think anywhere above 10 furies your output is solid, and in hero fights you can make up for lost furies pretty fast. Also i recommend using him with captain marvel and nick for general questing. I know everyone doesn't have those 2 characters but they are both amazing unlike mangog and give crossbones 20% fury duration for all fights, not just contempt ones.

How easily can you maintain the 10 furies without mangog though?

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