Well, you can get Scarlet Witch (Sigil) soon

TheBair123

But you will have to pay for the Summoner's Sigil, so there's a paywall

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GinjabredMonsta

...I may pay for it

Andyball270

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak

A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?

Raichu626

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak
A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?

Why are you giving people water for free?

Andyball270

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak
A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?
Why are you giving people water for free?

Well cuz im a nice guy obvuilsy. But i thought the clue for customer was in the word.......custom? So in actual fact f2p arent their biggest "customer" becasue they offer no custom

DNA3000

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

The way F2P games look at F2P players is that they are where spenders come from, and they add to the overall liveliness of the game.

The best analogy is they are kind of like the people who browse through stores. On the one hand, someone who browses through a store and doesn't buy anything doesn't really help the bottom line. On the other hand, most of your sales come from people who start off browsing and then end up buying. And no one wants to run an empty store, because it looks dead. You need people playing or the game looks dead, and the more people who play for free (presumably) the more people who eventually spend.

An F2P game that is hostile to F2P players doesn't lose much today, but it is destroying its future. And this game is extremely friendly to F2P players. The fact that a player could pick up the game today and be a Cavalier player in less than a month without spending borders on ridiculous levels of F2P friendliness. And while this might require higher levels of player skill than the average person picking up the game today would have, that just means the game has skillwalls, not paywalls to progress.

I don't think most F2P players complain about the game. I think most of them appreciate how friendly the game is to F2P players. I think the people who are always complaining are the players who focus on what they think they deserve and don't have, as opposed to the players who just want the opportunity to get things and focus on getting them. And we have those in both the F2P camp and the spending camp.

Demonzfyre

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak
A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?
Why are you giving people water for free?

Because water is free in most restaurants.

Andyball270

Ok maybe I exagerrated too much. Sorry guys.

it's just that Sigil Witch was introduced in December, Wandavision released in late Jan and it's now June. I and many other ftp were waiting eagerly for her release because she seems to be a fun champ. now we learn that for the next 6 months at the very least, she won't be available in any other manner. i'm sad about that and probably need some time to cool off.

Im glad youve seen the error of your ways my man. Remember even the people that were prepared to pay have had to wait since december as well so theyve had to wait until now also

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak
A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?
Why are you giving people water for free?
Well cuz im a nice guy obvuilsy. But i thought the clue for customer was in the word.......custom? So in actual fact f2p arent their biggest "customer" becasue they offer no custom

FTP players spend time, and sometimes a ridiculously large amount, to earn the same as payers do. The amount of time some players spend only increases statistics and what investors want to see when it comes to engagement from playerbase. Never think that customers have to be people that spend money

Cop123

Ok maybe I exagerrated too much. Sorry guys.

it's just that Sigil Witch was introduced in December, Wandavision released in late Jan and it's now June. I and many other ftp were waiting eagerly for her release because she seems to be a fun champ. now we learn that for the next 6 months at the very least, she won't be available in any other manner. i'm sad about that and probably need some time to cool off.

Im glad youve seen the error of your ways my man. Remember even the people that were prepared to pay have had to wait since december as well so theyve had to wait until now also

I'm sorry if I came off as condescending

Andyball270

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak
A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?
Why are you giving people water for free?
Because water is free in most restaurants.

But im fairly sure no resturant would allow someone to constantly come in and take their water for free forever. Which is in essence what KABAM is doing hoping these people turn into paying customers. You could play this game forever for free. Its like the same person saying im sat here with this water but that guy over there has a bottle of champagne and i should be able to have that as well. But the guy drinking the champagne has PAID money for it so he gets something diffirent

Andyball270

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak
A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?
Why are you giving people water for free?
Well cuz im a nice guy obvuilsy. But i thought the clue for customer was in the word.......custom? So in actual fact f2p arent their biggest "customer" becasue they offer no custom
FTP players spend time, and sometimes a ridiculously large amount, to earn the same as payers do. The amount of time some players spend only increases statistics and what investors want to see when it comes to engagement from playerbase. Never think that customers have to be people that spend money

Im farily certain they would rather see revenue into the business than offer something everybody is happy with but is only sustainable for a very short period of time because they cant afford to maintain it. Or do these guys that develop the game pay their bills with thankyous?

Andyball270

Ok maybe I exagerrated too much. Sorry guys.

it's just that Sigil Witch was introduced in December, Wandavision released in late Jan and it's now June. I and many other ftp were waiting eagerly for her release because she seems to be a fun champ. now we learn that for the next 6 months at the very least, she won't be available in any other manner. i'm sad about that and probably need some time to cool off.

Im glad youve seen the error of your ways my man. Remember even the people that were prepared to pay have had to wait since december as well so theyve had to wait until now also
I'm sorry if I came off as condescending

Dont worry its all good. Just frustrating when people (not just you) feel entitled to something when they arent. Just need to think about it from all angles i think

DNA3000

Y'all way over assume too much. You did this with 6* R4 resources during spring cleaning. Paywall this, paywall that. Then they were in 7.2.

This very well could be the first step in her release. We just don't know thier plans. But for anyone who didn't make the connection of her in game name to the Sigil, that's on you.

Even still, you have just 2 champs out of like 250 or how ever many there are now that can get through money. Big deal.
No way she is gonna be available apart from Summoner Sigil my g

Someone didn't look at the in game mail yet
"Rare opportunities" sounds an awful lot like a combination of money, units and/or absurd luck.
Let me introduce you to Platpool....

I'll do you one better: it sounds like almost everyone else as well. When new champions are added to the basic pools, like when new 6* champs are moved from the featured pool to the basic crystal pool, we're adding a rare opportunity to get that champ. Most ways to target a specific champion are rare opportunities, because the game doesn't ordinarily allow specific champion targeting in normal gameplay.

Switch will probably be more like Platpool, but if anything it is in many ways easier to target Platpool than, say, Doom in the basic crystals.

DNA3000

F2P players are important to the game and are the biggest customer technically. They don’t pay the bills per se , but you really shouldn’t look at it from what they spend, but how one referral can turn into 2-3 etc.

I don’t think this hurts hurts the game for F2P, maybe just a jealousy streak
A "customer" is someone that spends money isnt it? If i run a bar and someone came into it and NEVER spent a penny but kept drinking my water are they a customer?
Why are you giving people water for free?
Well cuz im a nice guy obvuilsy. But i thought the clue for customer was in the word.......custom? So in actual fact f2p arent their biggest "customer" becasue they offer no custom
FTP players spend time, and sometimes a ridiculously large amount, to earn the same as payers do. The amount of time some players spend only increases statistics and what investors want to see when it comes to engagement from playerbase. Never think that customers have to be people that spend money

Kabam is not looking for investors. And every time someone mentions this, I assume they Googled it. Engagement statistics are not something investors would typically be looking at. They'd be looking at conversion rates and revenue projections. Engagement statistics is something internal developers and producers might care about, not an outside investor.

Engagement is a metric useful to the developers to give them feedback on which parts of the game are most appealing to their players. It is almost irrelevant to an investor. It is even sometimes a counter-indicator of sorts: a game with huge engagement but low revenue is a dangerous game to invest in, because it suggests the game could cost more to make for less revenue. An investor would care about a path to sustainable player growth and a healthy conversion rate (what percentage of players eventually spend) and the spend per player average.

And also, you know, a game actually looking for investors.

I'm afraid this fiction that F2P players that spend a ton of time in the game are somehow giving the game some kind of direct benefit in the form of pumping up the game's statistics is just that: a fiction, crafted from very haphazard superficial Google research. This might matter if they were selling ad space, which they don't. This might matter if Netmarble was looking to sell off the property, which seems extremely unlikely. This might even matter to someone looking to make MCOC2, which I currently see no evidence of yet.

This only matters to Kabam developers themselves, and they don't even think that higher is always better. There are times when they might consider high time spent in certain parts of the game to be a sign something is potentially wrong. For example, if they saw ten times more time spent in the arena than in the monthly quests on average, they probably wouldn't congratulate themselves for the high engagement numbers. They'd probably try to figure out what they need to change to address that situation. They'd drive the engagement down, if they thought it was not healthy for the game as a whole. Because those numbers are developer feedback, not financial feedback.

Sundance_2099

I can tell you this: Be bloody grateful that there are only 2 (TWO) champions that you have to pay to get.

Future Fight adds a new paywall character, or an in-game premium-currency walled character almost EVERY UPDATE.

Kitty Pryde, Abomination, Jubilee, Namor, Magik, Psylocke, Jean Grey, Doctor Doom, Stryfe, Iceman, Sabretooth, Mystique, Agent Venom... all behind walls of either cold-hard-cash or crystals that you need several thousand of to get them and that you get at a pathetic trickle unless you, guess what, buy them.

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Demonzfyre

I can tell you this: Be bloody grateful that there are only 2 (TWO) champions that you have to pay to get.

Future Fight adds a new paywall character, or an in-game premium-currency walled character almost EVERY UPDATE.

Kitty Pryde, Abomination, Jubilee, Namor, Magik, Psylocke, Jean Grey, Doctor Doom, Stryfe, Iceman, Sabretooth, Mystique, Agent Venom... all behind walls of either cold-hard-cash or crystals that you need several thousand of to get them and that you get at a pathetic trickle unless you, guess what, buy them.

Every new uniform is also only available with crystals. They did allow for some to be bought with gold but none of the newest ones. They also limit the available champs you can get from biometrics as well.

It's been MFF's biggest complaint since the beginning.

Agent_X_zzz

As per usual. Am I surprised? Nope.

SirGamesBond

Initially survived without OGV (5*)then got him for 3k units (after a year but still it counts).
Have survived without redpool, goldpool, platpool or Weaponflex, thanos, kang etc
Perhaps Some day!!
Will survive without SWs.............Game goes on life goes on lol.
I'm friggin happy to pull 700 units, completely free from 15k artifact bundle.
Never had a single problem with spenders, Good for them.

Sundance_2099

I can tell you this: Be bloody grateful that there are only 2 (TWO) champions that you have to pay to get.

Future Fight adds a new paywall character, or an in-game premium-currency walled character almost EVERY UPDATE.

Kitty Pryde, Abomination, Jubilee, Namor, Magik, Psylocke, Jean Grey, Doctor Doom, Stryfe, Iceman, Sabretooth, Mystique, Agent Venom... all behind walls of either cold-hard-cash or crystals that you need several thousand of to get them and that you get at a pathetic trickle unless you, guess what, buy them.
Every new uniform is also only available with crystals. They did allow for some to be bought with gold but none of the newest ones. They also limit the available champs you can get from biometrics as well.

It's been MFF's biggest complaint since the beginning.

it's got to be the greediest game I've played. Which, when combined with stale, repetitive content, was why I gave up after 2 years. I got fed up.

Demonzfyre

I can tell you this: Be bloody grateful that there are only 2 (TWO) champions that you have to pay to get.

Future Fight adds a new paywall character, or an in-game premium-currency walled character almost EVERY UPDATE.

Kitty Pryde, Abomination, Jubilee, Namor, Magik, Psylocke, Jean Grey, Doctor Doom, Stryfe, Iceman, Sabretooth, Mystique, Agent Venom... all behind walls of either cold-hard-cash or crystals that you need several thousand of to get them and that you get at a pathetic trickle unless you, guess what, buy them.
Every new uniform is also only available with crystals. They did allow for some to be bought with gold but none of the newest ones. They also limit the available champs you can get from biometrics as well.

It's been MFF's biggest complaint since the beginning.
it's got to be the greediest game I've played. Which, when combined with stale, repetitive content, was why I gave up after 2 years. I got fed up.

I agree. I like the gameplay/graphics but it's nearly impossible to get anywhere without paying to advance. Epic quests are a great example of that. They do give a lot of stuff for free but none of it really has an impact on your progression.

TheInfinty

I can tell you this: Be bloody grateful that there are only 2 (TWO) champions that you have to pay to get.

Future Fight adds a new paywall character, or an in-game premium-currency walled character almost EVERY UPDATE.

Kitty Pryde, Abomination, Jubilee, Namor, Magik, Psylocke, Jean Grey, Doctor Doom, Stryfe, Iceman, Sabretooth, Mystique, Agent Venom... all behind walls of either cold-hard-cash or crystals that you need several thousand of to get them and that you get at a pathetic trickle unless you, guess what, buy them.
Every new uniform is also only available with crystals. They did allow for some to be bought with gold but none of the newest ones. They also limit the available champs you can get from biometrics as well.

It's been MFF's biggest complaint since the beginning.
it's got to be the greediest game I've played. Which, when combined with stale, repetitive content, was why I gave up after 2 years. I got fed up.

Mff actually is really good rn. They’ve gotten way less greedy recently. I’d say it’s worth coming back to tbh

TheLegend27

I'll wait the 6 months to however long it will take to introduce her into the game for free.

From what I remembered, she didn't exactly have a game-changing kit. No point in wasting money for a champ who will inevitably just be benched other than the 1-2 times I'll use her for novelty purposes.

Kerneas

I am okay with waiting 6 months+ for her. As for summonners sigil, I don't give a damn. Will never buy it and one champ isn't a reason to convince me. I'm not gonna cry for one p2w champ

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Worknprogress

Imagine that, a company that needs revenue to operate, try's to encourage people to spend money on the game that will allow them to further develop the game and keep it running. And also comment and say that is how you will be able to get the character in other ways after the initial first 6 months ! Seriously guys without offers like this to entice people to spend on the game how the hell do we expect it to keep running.
This. Completely agree. People need to realize that MCoC almost exclusively a P2W game. There is no way around it and this SW Sigil thing proves it. Kabam doesn't care about F2P players.

Boy did you miss the point

danielmath

Imagine that, a company that needs revenue to operate, try's to encourage people to spend money on the game that will allow them to further develop the game and keep it running. And also comment and say that is how you will be able to get the character in other ways after the initial first 6 months ! Seriously guys without offers like this to entice people to spend on the game how the hell do we expect it to keep running.
This. Completely agree. People need to realize that MCoC almost exclusively a P2W game. There is no way around it and this SW Sigil thing proves it. Kabam doesn't care about F2P players.
Boy did you miss the point

he's too busy taking korg damage when hitting him with light attacks to see the point

GroundedWisdom

Imagine that, a company that needs revenue to operate, try's to encourage people to spend money on the game that will allow them to further develop the game and keep it running. And also comment and say that is how you will be able to get the character in other ways after the initial first 6 months ! Seriously guys without offers like this to entice people to spend on the game how the hell do we expect it to keep running.
This. Completely agree. People need to realize that MCoC almost exclusively a P2W game. There is no way around it and this SW Sigil thing proves it. Kabam doesn't care about F2P players.

What?
The people who pay make it possible for others to play free. If it wasn't for spending, this game would look very different. The creators make this game open to everyone, whether they spend or not. That doesn't mean that people are entitled to everything that spenders get. In fact, that's the point of spending. You get what you wouldn't get for free.

Agent_X_zzz

6 months is not too long tbh, I have no need for her currently. And am happy just waiting,

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