This has been extremely Tough.. With my roster being made of mainly 4* and 5* it takes a very long time to get to the 16.5 mil line.. walking up in the middle of the night and okay all day just to try to make it happen. I LOVE being able to get six star shards like that but it’s way to much for the average player. Been trying to get a six star Mistrr Negative but we will see
The new arena is not an improvement, unless certain things change.
The removal of all lower star heroes playability by points awarded and milestones means only 6 star and 4 star are viable in two arenas. This means it locks out choice, and therfore reduces the playability of the arena.
This also means that the arena boost crystals are now completely worthless. Boosting a 3 star will just be the same as playing a 4 star. So why bother, when you can just boost a 4 star.
This also means that the greater arena boost crystals are mostly worthless, as only the 4 star and 6 star boosts are use able to maximise rewards gained vs time spent.
The old structure allowed people a large amount of choice and also a "prime" usage arena for each star rating. And this is what made it work well. Yes you could use you 5 stars in the 6 star arena to top up, or you could use them. In the 5 star arena. Yes you could use your 4 stars to top up the 5 star arena, or you could use them in the 4 star arena. Yes you could use your 3 stars to top up in the 4 star arena, or you could use them in the 3 star arena
If you had a ton of 2 stars you had one prime place to use them and one secondary place.
If you had a ton of 3 stars you had one prime place to use them and one secondary.
If you had a ton of 4 stars etc etc.
Now you've got 2 choices. 4 star or 6 star. The milestones simply prohibit the use of other star ratings, based on points given.
To fix this, simply return to the old system, and put the two 6 star arenas in also. But change the 6 star basic to " 5 star max useable" and lower the milestones.
2 star arena - max 1 and 2 stars in this one - milestones based on 2 stars points
3 star arena - max 2 and 3 stars in this one. - milestones based on 3 stars points (put the 3 star featured or basic in here as a reward )
4 star arena - max 3 and 4 stars (put the 4 star featured or basic in here) milestones based on 4 star points.
6 star basic - max 4 and 5 stars in this one - milestones based on 5 star points. 5 star hero is achievable in the rewards and the 6 star also, but not in the milestone. Milestones based on old 5 star arena which had max 5 stars useable in it.
6 star featured - max 5 and 6 stars in this one - milestones based on 6 stars.
That's one option to solve it quickly and easily.
The other option is to change the drop rate for the arena boosts, to only drop 4 star and 6 star boosts.
Basic arena boosts should only drop 4 star x1. 5, x2 and x3.
Greater arena boosts should only drop 6 star x 1.5 x2 and x3.
Second solution is still bad as it continues to reduce choice. But it at least gives people a chance to finish the arena grind in a more reasonable time frame.
Third solution is to adjust points
So 5 and 6 stars get same points in. The 6 star arenas. Allowing people to use their 5 stars to grind more easily.
And 3 and 4 stars give same Points, allowing people to use their 3 stars to grind more easily.
This solution would be doable. As it would mean all 3 arenas would be accessible to more people. So in effect the choice is returned to some degree to people and also the arena boosts are no longer worthless as the 3 stars are viable again.
However, the second option still completely remove the usage of 1 and 2 and 3 and 5 stars from arena, and. Therefore still limits choices. And the third option still removes 1 and 2 stars from the arena, therefore still limits choice, although its still better than option 2.
I can't grind units as much as I did before this system. Now I don't get any units from arena crystals too for almost two weeks. I won't be able to grind for 4th of July with this system. You guys are messing players who grinds arenas for units and not giving any update about what you gonna do about it. This is wrong and unfair. F2P players and people who have life and a job doesn't deserve this. This is not a QoL change.
I complained about this before the changes went live and it looks like nothing changed. Basically, the algorithm just matched me with champions twice my Pi which in this case means r5 5* and 32 6* with suicides. No way I'm winning this with maxed out 4* In other words, using 4* in this arena is pointless, you will get death matches the instant you attempt it and lose your streak. I'm guessing the reason they allowed it is so people can reach the milestones faster but until they tweak the matchmaking algorithm this is just 5/6* arena and the 4* allowance is just for show.
I never have this issue. I think you are switching to your max 4* and rank 3 5* champs too soon in the rotation. I safely run champs all they way down to 6K PI every arena. I usually get to them when my streak is around 20+
Here’s what I did today: 2 rounds of trials for 14 units 18 rounds of Gambit for 3m points/45 units And all the daily rewards.
Not rewarding or interesting but I’m at 4400 units, trying to get to 5000 by July 4, and I may run some of this content coming out.
Here’s the other problem, based on some simple math: we can be excited for GMC shards, but if you pull together 44,000 shards, it’s still more likely than not that you get 0 5-star pulls (51.17% chance). For that matter, if you pull 5 crystals, there’s a 37% chance they’re all 3-stars. That stings. (For reference, 3mil points gets you 2250 shards)
Just beat Gwenmaster today and had hoped to add a new 6* to my laborious arena grind now that I'm stuck using only my 6* roster which is roughly 50 champs that i hate to play with that ALL deserve reworks but they're the only way i can score points now.... but nope, OG Capmarvel is now at sig level 80. Yippie. This game actually makes me feel worse about playing it the farther i go in progression. Thanks a lot for not responding to everyone here. It also adds to the level of insult.
With this insane milestone numbers i wish there was autofight in arena, like in Transformers. There only 24 hours you know, this is impossible to waste all of them taping in the phone.
Been working my ass off in this game fi4 at least four years now and spent hundreds on it. I’m a proud level 60 but only just this last Christmas got my first six star. Four years of hard work and only just got a six and that was only because of gifting crystals. I work hard on this game an$ I’m a really decent fighter but I haven’t worked thru chapter four on the story and I feel punished for not being an elite . F Thwt. The Arenas suck! I hav3 to work 3-4 times as hard for what used to be just lo hanging fruit crystal shard wise and I can’t go for three stars anymore . Why? The numbers are insane and more premium hero crystals give two star dupes more than anything else.. You not helping ,your hurting and punishing . Why? Why are working so hard to kill my love for this game? And what about newbies ? They’re just screwed.
And another week of new arenas begins. I have been checking this thread daily waiting to see if there is any reply or update regarding the arenas. I have read almost every response as they come in (even all the deleted ones). With all the people this is affecting, why is it taking so long to come up with any kind of response besides the initial one weeks ago? Even if it is one that says we want to monitor the new arenas for ‘x’ amount of time before making a decision?
The new arenas are much more of a grind than they used to be and it takes too many millions of points and time to get to the last millstone. If they can add the basic champs in the last milestone of the arena that would be great. Especially since 6*s are more valuable now going forward.
Wanna make arena interesting, place the 5* Basic champion in the last milestone
That doesn't make much sense. They clearly made it top 500 for a reason, plus it's been between 25 and 35 mil for the basic 5* so why would they de-value it so much by making it only 16.5 mil?
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Wanna make arena interesting, place the 5* Basic champion in the last milestone
The removal of all lower star heroes playability by points awarded and milestones means only 6 star and 4 star are viable in two arenas. This means it locks out choice, and therfore reduces the playability of the arena.
This also means that the arena boost crystals are now completely worthless. Boosting a 3 star will just be the same as playing a 4 star. So why bother, when you can just boost a 4 star.
This also means that the greater arena boost crystals are mostly worthless, as only the 4 star and 6 star boosts are use able to maximise rewards gained vs time spent.
The old structure allowed people a large amount of choice and also a "prime" usage arena for each star rating. And this is what made it work well. Yes you could use you 5 stars in the 6 star arena to top up, or you could use them. In the 5 star arena. Yes you could use your 4 stars to top up the 5 star arena, or you could use them in the 4 star arena. Yes you could use your 3 stars to top up in the 4 star arena, or you could use them in the 3 star arena
If you had a ton of 2 stars you had one prime place to use them and one secondary place.
If you had a ton of 3 stars you had one prime place to use them and one secondary.
If you had a ton of 4 stars etc etc.
Now you've got 2 choices. 4 star or 6 star. The milestones simply prohibit the use of other star ratings, based on points given.
To fix this, simply return to the old system, and put the two 6 star arenas in also. But change the 6 star basic to " 5 star max useable" and lower the milestones.
2 star arena - max 1 and 2 stars in this one - milestones based on 2 stars points
3 star arena - max 2 and 3 stars in this one. - milestones based on 3 stars points (put the 3 star featured or basic in here as a reward )
4 star arena - max 3 and 4 stars (put the 4 star featured or basic in here) milestones based on 4 star points.
6 star basic - max 4 and 5 stars in this one - milestones based on 5 star points. 5 star hero is achievable in the rewards and the 6 star also, but not in the milestone. Milestones based on old 5 star arena which had max 5 stars useable in it.
6 star featured - max 5 and 6 stars in this one - milestones based on 6 stars.
That's one option to solve it quickly and easily.
The other option is to change the drop rate for the arena boosts, to only drop 4 star and 6 star boosts.
Basic arena boosts should only drop 4 star x1. 5, x2 and x3.
Greater arena boosts should only drop 6 star x 1.5 x2 and x3.
Second solution is still bad as it continues to reduce choice. But it at least gives people a chance to finish the arena grind in a more reasonable time frame.
Third solution is to adjust points
So 5 and 6 stars get same points in. The 6 star arenas. Allowing people to use their 5 stars to grind more easily.
And 3 and 4 stars give same Points, allowing people to use their 3 stars to grind more easily.
This solution would be doable. As it would mean all 3 arenas would be accessible to more people. So in effect the choice is returned to some degree to people and also the arena boosts are no longer worthless as the 3 stars are viable again.
However, the second option still completely remove the usage of 1 and 2 and 3 and 5 stars from arena, and. Therefore still limits choices.
And the third option still removes 1 and 2 stars from the arena, therefore still limits choice, although its still better than option 2.
Ideally, please consider doing option 1
You guys are messing players who grinds arenas for units and not giving any update about what you gonna do about it. This is wrong and unfair. F2P players and people who have life and a job doesn't deserve this. This is not a QoL change.
2 rounds of trials for 14 units
18 rounds of Gambit for 3m points/45 units
And all the daily rewards.
Not rewarding or interesting but I’m at 4400 units, trying to get to 5000 by July 4, and I may run some of this content coming out.
Here’s the other problem, based on some simple math: we can be excited for GMC shards, but if you pull together 44,000 shards, it’s still more likely than not that you get 0 5-star pulls (51.17% chance). For that matter, if you pull 5 crystals, there’s a 37% chance they’re all 3-stars. That stings. (For reference, 3mil points gets you 2250 shards)
There only 24 hours you know, this is impossible to waste all of them taping in the phone.
The Arenas suck!
I hav3 to work 3-4 times as hard for what used to be just lo hanging fruit crystal shard wise and I can’t go for three stars anymore .
Why?
The numbers are insane and more premium hero crystals give two star dupes more than anything else..
You not helping ,your hurting and punishing .
Why?
Why are working so hard to kill my love for this game?
And what about newbies ? They’re just screwed.
We've just posted an update for Arena Milestones that will go live on June 10. You can read it here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/267371/arena-milestone-update-june-10-2021
Because this thread is quite long, and is based on now outdated information, we're going to close it down, and start a new thread shortly.