New Arena Structure Feedback v2.0

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  • PulyamanPulyaman Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★
    Wiredawg1 said:

    Ok it seems some aren’t seeing the bigger issue with this change. These arenas are for UNCOLLECTED and up. Meaning 4*s are pretty much useless to them. For most that is. Outside of putting 270 units there and the bc there nothing there really for em. We don’t want or need 4* nexus crystals. The whole point of arena is to push players o the next higher arena. You are doing it backwards….I’m an arena grinder. I’ll tell ya now. No way I going to do 8 rounds of 4s in arena. That’s 16 hours total of wait time… you increased the effort here way more then was needed

    The effort seems to have increased slightly to gain those units. Let me put it in terms of numbers. I could get approximately 600k points when I use my R4 and r5 4 star champs in a single round. With the old arena, I could get all the milestones in 3 rounds which is 210 minutes(3.5 hrs), get 120(2 hrs) minutes of 2 star and 120(2 hrs) minutes of 3 star arena. That's approximately 7.5 hrs of grinding. By using only 4 stars in the new arena, I need to grind 8.5 hours. The problem is I cannot grind them simultaneously. I need to wait for 4 stars to refresh or use 3 stars which yield less points.
  • dyrektor_pablo1dyrektor_pablo1 Posts: 8
    When getting a 4 star character from the arena, if I have this character already max sig, I should get szards for 5 star and it is not
  • Ivan394Ivan394 Posts: 9

    Cop123 said:

    Cop123 said:

    A_NAZ said:

    Gamer said:

    How Hav the impact with the change for the 6 star to score almost the same as the 5 star or I’m missing understand it because if so that just bad for me

    Its only in the basic arena. These changes are great
    @Kabam Miike can you please confirm this? Is the lowered points scoring for 6*s in the basic arena only (max milestone of 4 mil) and the usual scoring in the featured arena (max milestone 12 mil). If so then I believe this is an incredible update to make grinding less painful
    That is correct. 6-Stars only have their points reduced to match 5-Stars in the Basic Arena.
    does the dupe of basic champion give iso and shards or not?
    No. The Basic Hero has never given more than 1 Sig for a Champion, and that has not changed.
    what about the featured champion? i think one of them used to give dupe before.
    The Featured Champion will give a full Dupe, with ISO, Crystal Shards, Etc.
    Does this include the 3 and 4 stars from the milestones? Cause we're not getting the iso from those dupes


  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 6,023 ★★★★★
    @Ivan394 said:

    Cop123 said:

    Cop123 said:

    A_NAZ said:

    Gamer said:

    How Hav the impact with the change for the 6 star to score almost the same as the 5 star or I’m missing understand it because if so that just bad for me

    Its only in the basic arena. These changes are great
    @Kabam Miike can you please confirm this? Is the lowered points scoring for 6*s in the basic arena only (max milestone of 4 mil) and the usual scoring in the featured arena (max milestone 12 mil). If so then I believe this is an incredible update to make grinding less painful
    That is correct. 6-Stars only have their points reduced to match 5-Stars in the Basic Arena.
    does the dupe of basic champion give iso and shards or not?
    No. The Basic Hero has never given more than 1 Sig for a Champion, and that has not changed.
    what about the featured champion? i think one of them used to give dupe before.
    The Featured Champion will give a full Dupe, with ISO, Crystal Shards, Etc.
    Does this include the 3 and 4 stars from the milestones? Cause we're not getting the iso from those dupes


    I could not locate the clarification post. There is only sig stone increase for milestone champ in the featured arena and nothing else.
  • Wiredawg1Wiredawg1 Posts: 334 ★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Wiredawg1 said:

    Ok it seems some aren’t seeing the bigger issue with this change. These arenas are for UNCOLLECTED and up. Meaning 4*s are pretty much useless to them. For most that is. Outside of putting 270 units there and the bc there nothing there really for em. We don’t want or need 4* nexus crystals. The whole point of arena is to push players o the next higher arena. You are doing it backwards….I’m an arena grinder. I’ll tell ya now. No way I going to do 8 rounds of 4s in arena. That’s 16 hours total of wait time… you increased the effort here way more then was needed

    The effort seems to have increased slightly to gain those units. Let me put it in terms of numbers. I could get approximately 600k points when I use my R4 and r5 4 star champs in a single round. With the old arena, I could get all the milestones in 3 rounds which is 210 minutes(3.5 hrs), get 120(2 hrs) minutes of 2 star and 120(2 hrs) minutes of 3 star arena. That's approximately 7.5 hrs of grinding. By using only 4 stars in the new arena, I need to grind 8.5 hours. The problem is I cannot grind them simultaneously. I need to wait for 4 stars to refresh or use 3 stars which yield less points.
    You may want read all of what I said….everyone here seems fixated just on the units. That’s really all ya get out of trials that and bc. Phc and 4*s for 98% of uc and higher are useless. Instead of pushing people to goto basic and feature for rewards kabam doing the opposite
  • Tcole115Tcole115 Posts: 1
    I can’t access any the the character arenas ever since the Shang-chi update
  • GamerGamer Posts: 8,316 ★★★★★
    Tcole115 said:

    I can’t access any the the character arenas ever since the Shang-chi update

    Because you not uc so u only have the trials
  • DoubleDeltaDoubleDelta Posts: 2,421 ★★★★
    I'm going to hold judgement for one more round, however so far, the reduced points on the 6* basic has meant instead of 100-150 rounds for top 1-5% has now turned into 170-180 rounds for top 6-10%..

    So you guys do the maths.

    What was taking me 2 days, 4 rounds of 6*s (2 per arena) and the occasional 5* round, with a 5th 6* round to push me to about 27m per arena.. now requires me to push a lot harder, every day, to achieve less than what I got in 2 days grind before..

    But hey, people who hate arena and hardly touched it anyway get what they want, actual grinders have to live with the consciences 🤷‍♂️

    Oh, and those super low scores you saw champs go for before? Good luck now.. unless it's a champ like doom.. no one in their right mind will be using 6*s in the basic arena.. so that 6* featured will stay high regardless.

    Have fun ✌ I'll personally be making sure I use every 6* possible to push those scores every round, regardless of if I already have the champs at max sig
  • DoubleDeltaDoubleDelta Posts: 2,421 ★★★★
    Wiredawg1 said:

    Ok it seems some aren’t seeing the bigger issue with this change. These arenas are for UNCOLLECTED and up. Meaning 4*s are pretty much useless to them. For most that is. Outside of putting 270 units there and the bc there nothing there really for em. We don’t want or need 4* nexus crystals. The whole point of arena is to push players o the next higher arena. You are doing it backwards….I’m an arena grinder. I’ll tell ya now. No way I going to do 8 rounds of 4s in arena. That’s 16 hours total of wait time… you increased the effort here way more then was needed

    I'm doing the summoner one in 6* cool down or when I hit the 25/30m targets, and had the 1 day left to chill - now with the 6* basic I've lost most of that chill time
  • Fun4444444Fun4444444 Posts: 24
    Get rid of needing 4.4 million in summoner trials. You shouldn’t need to get more points in the summoner trials (where you use 4* and get 12k points) than in the 6* basic (where you use 5* and get 40k points).
  • Wiredawg1Wiredawg1 Posts: 334 ★★★

    Oh.. and with those lovely shiny R4s many of us will be getting in the next year, good luck with using your 5*s to grind in the basic 😂

    All they had to do was drop the milestones a little bit, say 10.5m for basic, maybe raise the 5* points slightly in the basic.. featured could have stayed the same, lowered the champs milestones.

    These arenas will need to be revamped within the next year, if not sooner

    You’ve made same point I have said from get go. Featured didn’t need changed at all. Featured should take a bit of effort. Trials shouldn’t of been touched either. After all it’s trials ment to be for those who getting into arena or those who don’t have enough high ranked 5 or 6s. Issue has always been basic. No reason basic should of been exactly the same as featured. None at all. They should of just designed the 6* points after the Sunday arena. Still less then u normally get but still a bit
  • DoubleDeltaDoubleDelta Posts: 2,421 ★★★★
    Wiredawg1 said:

    Oh.. and with those lovely shiny R4s many of us will be getting in the next year, good luck with using your 5*s to grind in the basic 😂

    All they had to do was drop the milestones a little bit, say 10.5m for basic, maybe raise the 5* points slightly in the basic.. featured could have stayed the same, lowered the champs milestones.

    These arenas will need to be revamped within the next year, if not sooner

    You’ve made same point I have said from get go. Featured didn’t need changed at all. Featured should take a bit of effort. Trials shouldn’t of been touched either. After all it’s trials ment to be for those who getting into arena or those who don’t have enough high ranked 5 or 6s. Issue has always been basic. No reason basic should of been exactly the same as featured. None at all. They should of just designed the 6* points after the Sunday arena. Still less then u normally get but still a bit
    6* featured 16.5m
    6* basic 10.5m

    I couldn't care less where the 3* and 4* are, but considering the old 4* featured would normally go for what? 6-8m, 8m was a logical place for it, I don't care regardless I'll get it eventually. 3* should be reasonably low for collection sake, but it doesn't need to be free.

    Trials I'll just shove whatever points into, they should really of had trials (with a much lower milestone) for UC and under, 4* basic the same, for UC and above, then 6* arenas I'd say UC and above, but they struggle already so not sure.

    The way the game is going, I'm seriously considering just quitting, "challenging" content is either nerfed to the ground because people feel entitled to 100% everything on day 1, or it's abyss level health pools. In the mean time, there's no sense of achievement, there's no I'm one step close to finishing this.. I miss the days of UC EQ when it was first released, where some months you just had to accept you weren't getting through it that particular month.

    I love that Kabam are finally listening, and pushing the game - but sometimes they listen too much. The QoL changes have been amazing, but every time they try change something in game, even if in the long run it'll be a million times better, people don't see that. We've now essentially got what? 3/4 year old arenas, with slightly better rewards.. yes, that's the revamp we needed
  • MAYASMAYAS Posts: 12
    I quit the game before 4 months and was checking to see if they make it fun, but as usual they only do what they think its right without considering our time and effort.
    If its not fun just leave. My account was 1.8m and I quit
  • Avenger_A1Avenger_A1 Posts: 155
    Since yesterday, non-critical hits seem to be happening more often (across arenas, AQ, and other content) with seemingly lesser damage (than earlier non-crits). And in the more difficult streaks, opponents are again holding on to their sp1 and sp2. Just keep a check guys, in case it's a "bug".
  • pvrsunnypvrsunny Posts: 23
    I like the scoring system in basic and featured arenas, It is now quick to get all the milestones.
    I hate the summoner trails arena, now I have to grind more time for the same number of units.

    I have over 70 2* champs maxed out and over 60 3* champs maxed out.
    Earlier 2* scoring (after multiplier*3) with 70 plus champs suppose I do around 24 arena steak, the points I get 24*2000 (approx) = 48000.
    Now 2* scoring (after multiplier*3), the points I get 24*5500 (approx) = 1,32,000.

    For reaching milestones after the 11th we need 3,00,000 points for each milestone so we need to do approximately 55 streak with 2 stars. Then we get 14 units.
    Earlier I used to get 7 units for every 30,000 points and I have to do only 30 streak for 60,000 points and get 14 units.

    The most annoying part is earlier 2* matchup is maxed 2* but now I am getting r3 4 stars as matchup which is tripling up the time taken for each fight

    So technically all my maxed out 2 stars are wasted, except for the arena boost crystal there is no benefit for all the 3 star grinders as well.
    Finally kabam ruined the fun of grinding for me when all my maxed-out champs are sitting there idle.
    I am forced to use my r3 4 stars for grinding
  • DoubleDeltaDoubleDelta Posts: 2,421 ★★★★
    pvrsunny said:

    I like the scoring system in basic and featured arenas, It is now quick to get all the milestones.
    I hate the summoner trails arena, now I have to grind more time for the same number of units.

    I have over 70 2* champs maxed out and over 60 3* champs maxed out.
    Earlier 2* scoring (after multiplier*3) with 70 plus champs suppose I do around 24 arena steak, the points I get 24*2000 (approx) = 48000.
    Now 2* scoring (after multiplier*3), the points I get 24*5500 (approx) = 1,32,000.

    For reaching milestones after the 11th we need 3,00,000 points for each milestone so we need to do approximately 55 streak with 2 stars. Then we get 14 units.
    Earlier I used to get 7 units for every 30,000 points and I have to do only 30 streak for 60,000 points and get 14 units.

    The most annoying part is earlier 2* matchup is maxed 2* but now I am getting r3 4 stars as matchup which is tripling up the time taken for each fight

    So technically all my maxed out 2 stars are wasted, except for the arena boost crystal there is no benefit for all the 3 star grinders as well.
    Finally kabam ruined the fun of grinding for me when all my maxed-out champs are sitting there idle.
    I am forced to use my r3 4 stars for grinding

    This arena is basically the new 4* basic and old ST rolled into one. Points are off for 2*s, works well for boosted 3* or 4*s, still long. My biggest issue how 6*s are worthless in the 6* basic now.

    We can't win because kabam are getting pulled one way from people who want to do the bare minimum and still get the better rewards, and the other by people who like the sense of accomplishment of actually earning the rewards and grinding.

    I was always happy with settling for 1-5%, or 1-10% in the old old system, got me decent rewards without giving up my life. New 6* arena means I've now got to grind all my free time to get roughly what I was getting in 2 days of grind. I've got 2 weeks until 4th July, at which point I can choose to cut my losses, and quit - or carry on with the bs going on now..

    ST feels long, but I tolerate it, however I've been ranking my 3*s for years, and my 4*s are slowly getting there. 6* basic just screams 4* featured which was the most pointless, and annoying arena imo
  • GmonkeyGmonkey Posts: 1,839 ★★★★

    pvrsunny said:

    I like the scoring system in basic and featured arenas, It is now quick to get all the milestones.
    I hate the summoner trails arena, now I have to grind more time for the same number of units.

    I have over 70 2* champs maxed out and over 60 3* champs maxed out.
    Earlier 2* scoring (after multiplier*3) with 70 plus champs suppose I do around 24 arena steak, the points I get 24*2000 (approx) = 48000.
    Now 2* scoring (after multiplier*3), the points I get 24*5500 (approx) = 1,32,000.

    For reaching milestones after the 11th we need 3,00,000 points for each milestone so we need to do approximately 55 streak with 2 stars. Then we get 14 units.
    Earlier I used to get 7 units for every 30,000 points and I have to do only 30 streak for 60,000 points and get 14 units.

    The most annoying part is earlier 2* matchup is maxed 2* but now I am getting r3 4 stars as matchup which is tripling up the time taken for each fight

    So technically all my maxed out 2 stars are wasted, except for the arena boost crystal there is no benefit for all the 3 star grinders as well.
    Finally kabam ruined the fun of grinding for me when all my maxed-out champs are sitting there idle.
    I am forced to use my r3 4 stars for grinding

    This arena is basically the new 4* basic and old ST rolled into one. Points are off for 2*s, works well for boosted 3* or 4*s, still long. My biggest issue how 6*s are worthless in the 6* basic now.

    We can't win because kabam are getting pulled one way from people who want to do the bare minimum and still get the better rewards, and the other by people who like the sense of accomplishment of actually earning the rewards and grinding.

    I was always happy with settling for 1-5%, or 1-10% in the old old system, got me decent rewards without giving up my life. New 6* arena means I've now got to grind all my free time to get roughly what I was getting in 2 days of grind. I've got 2 weeks until 4th July, at which point I can choose to cut my losses, and quit - or carry on with the bs going on now..

    ST feels long, but I tolerate it, however I've been ranking my 3*s for years, and my 4*s are slowly getting there. 6* basic just screams 4* featured which was the most pointless, and annoying arena imo
    I feel you game is getting real stale I have 18 r3 champs can take up two more waiting on t4cc. I have no where to really use my r3 hoping map 8 will be good but probably designed for more Corvus timeouts.
    I enjoyed grinding for stealthy, not sure I would do a basic arena unless I spend units with boosted 5 stars. Even with over 120 six stars do not envision getting a new featured champ.
  • rivetrivet Posts: 203
    I don’t quite understand people complaining needing more effort to get 1-5% in 6 star basic arena, the cutoff score is around 9M in 6 star basic, which means around 95 rounds if you use your r4 and r5 5 stars, in the previous system, the cutoff is around 24M, using 6 star, you may need 120 rounds or so, so the effort is less. Only loss is you get less units from milestones, but that is the unit distribution between the 3 arenas, which is a different point
  • ReferenceReference Posts: 2,408 ★★★★
    edited June 25
    theham said:

    rivet said:

    I don’t quite understand people complaining needing more effort to get 1-5% in 6 star basic arena, the cutoff score is around 9M in 6 star basic, which means around 95 rounds if you use your r4 and r5 5 stars, in the previous system, the cutoff is around 24M, using 6 star, you may need 120 rounds or so, so the effort is less. Only loss is you get less units from milestones, but that is the unit distribution between the 3 arenas, which is a different point

    I missed the top 5% even after hitting 9m+ in the basic.

    And the effort isn't less since summoner trials used to take 60 rounds for 2.15m but now needs 120. I have a whale roster and doing more work for less rewards now. Very discouraging for players who grinded for years building their 6 star rosters.
    On one hand I agreed with you that you can't hit top 5% with 9mm+ score in basic arena now, cause many players also think they can and thus many stop at around 10mm, turn out making a cutoff up-shift.

    Whilst I disagree about the summoner trials. Under old 4* arena, I normally need to fight 120 rounds in order reach ~2.2mm score for a 4* champs. Now you can have 4mm point with similar rounds, their scoring system adjusted. (note: I didn't break any streak)

  • ReferenceReference Posts: 2,408 ★★★★
    edited June 25
    theham said:

    Reference said:

    theham said:

    rivet said:

    I don’t quite understand people complaining needing more effort to get 1-5% in 6 star basic arena, the cutoff score is around 9M in 6 star basic, which means around 95 rounds if you use your r4 and r5 5 stars, in the previous system, the cutoff is around 24M, using 6 star, you may need 120 rounds or so, so the effort is less. Only loss is you get less units from milestones, but that is the unit distribution between the 3 arenas, which is a different point

    I missed the top 5% even after hitting 9m+ in the basic.

    And the effort isn't less since summoner trials used to take 60 rounds for 2.15m but now needs 120. I have a whale roster and doing more work for less rewards now. Very discouraging for players who grinded for years building their 6 star rosters.
    On one hand I agreed with you that you can't hit top 5% with 9mm+ score in basic arena now, cause many players also think they can and thus many stop at around 10mm, turn out making a cutoff up-shift.

    Whilst I disagree about the summoner trials. Under old 4* arena, I normally need to fight 120 rounds in order reach ~2.2mm score for a 4* champs. Now you can have 4mm point with similar rounds, their scoring system adjusted. (note: I didn't break any streak)

    You must have used 4* boosts. I ran only r5 4* unboosted and it takes 120 rounds.
    No. I used boosts and shorten the rounds to 80 only.
    If you divided 4.4mm by 96, you got 45k. It is the normal score with r5 4*. Just depends on how many you have. I almost collected the entire champ roaster in 4* btw.
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