So.... basically... My champ can't do it, so why should yours? Got it. 👌
if you want to over simplify it? sure.
the main thing to focus on is the reason for Kabam to nerf the regen rate on DDHK was that it would be too OP to get all the Will Power heal during a fight.
yet its OK for Diablo to get all that WP regen without the penalty?
where is the game balance?
Dude, you are willfully ignoring that they have different kits. It’s not a simple regen on/off switch, it’s regen in addition to the rest of the characters kit.
I’ve explained this thoroughly above already. You are choosing not to engage with that and at this point are either being stubborn or trolling.
Different champions have different kits. That’s it. That’s the explanation. If DDHK and Diablo had the exact same kit except for this regen issue, you’d be onto something. But they don’t, so you’re not.
i'm not sure what it is i'm ignoring here, so my apologies if i missed something.
i understand they have different kits, Diablo has regen at the base, thats not what i'm discussing.
Diablo has a poison that he takes zero damage from but has a full Will Power regen benefit from.
DDHK takes normal damage from poison as well as 30% reduced regen rate with his base -40% regen rate and straight dies from the poison by itself over time.
are you saying that is fair and/or balanced when the reason given for DDHK regen rate reduction was that it would be too powerful for a champ to have that much WP regen during a fight?
Immortal Abomination is a completely different champ with a different kit, he too could have OP WP regen, but he actually stacks the poisons so that in itself keeps the WP regen in check by the reduced regen per poison alone and that is a fair trade off.
You keep putting the willpower healing in a vacuum as if it exists separate and apart from the rest of the champions’ kits. It does not. It is a factor they considered with the whole of their kits. They decided Diablo would be allowed to benefit from it because it stayed balanced with the rest of his kit. They decided DDHK should not because they felt it would be too much in addition to his entire kit. That’s it.
the reason i pull Will Power in a vacuum is because its a mastery that affects all champions(except robots) and outside of a champ receiving too much regen from the mastery, all champs should be treated the same.
in this instance Diablo's regen is OP with suicides and max WP
for DDHK its a death sentence cause he cant even negate the poison damage.
for every other champ in the game affected by WP, they negate the Poison damage.
so yes, i'm looking at WP in a vacuum because it shouldn't class/champ(excluding robots) specific.
If you refuse to look at the whole picture, I can’t make you. So I’m not going to waste more time on it.
Translation: I’m salty I ranked DDHK prebuff and want Diablo to be garbage to compensate
False, i ranked him after his buff because i value his niche abilities.
i also accepted Kabams reasoning for reducing DDHK regen rate because it made sense, however it doesnt make sense anymore given how much regen potential Diablo has with WP.
Yet it’s not the willpower healing that needs nerfing since he suffers from 30% healing anyway, it’s his special healing so u are asking for a kit that was just buffed to be nerfed? Man you can’t satisfy some people.
no, i'm not asking for Diablo's base regen to be touched.
i'm simply asking for consistency, DDHK had his regen reduced due to potential for him to regen via WP the entire fight, which is what Diablo is doing at the moment.
my resolution would be for Diablo to eventually become immune to the poison debuff after 10 seconds, he still gets his WP heal, just not for the entire fight like it is currently.
So.... basically... My champ can't do it, so why should yours? Got it. 👌
if you want to over simplify it? sure.
the main thing to focus on is the reason for Kabam to nerf the regen rate on DDHK was that it would be too OP to get all the Will Power heal during a fight.
yet its OK for Diablo to get all that WP regen without the penalty?
where is the game balance?
Dude, you are willfully ignoring that they have different kits. It’s not a simple regen on/off switch, it’s regen in addition to the rest of the characters kit.
I’ve explained this thoroughly above already. You are choosing not to engage with that and at this point are either being stubborn or trolling.
Different champions have different kits. That’s it. That’s the explanation. If DDHK and Diablo had the exact same kit except for this regen issue, you’d be onto something. But they don’t, so you’re not.
i'm not sure what it is i'm ignoring here, so my apologies if i missed something.
i understand they have different kits, Diablo has regen at the base, thats not what i'm discussing.
Diablo has a poison that he takes zero damage from but has a full Will Power regen benefit from.
DDHK takes normal damage from poison as well as 30% reduced regen rate with his base -40% regen rate and straight dies from the poison by itself over time.
are you saying that is fair and/or balanced when the reason given for DDHK regen rate reduction was that it would be too powerful for a champ to have that much WP regen during a fight?
Immortal Abomination is a completely different champ with a different kit, he too could have OP WP regen, but he actually stacks the poisons so that in itself keeps the WP regen in check by the reduced regen per poison alone and that is a fair trade off.
You keep putting the willpower healing in a vacuum as if it exists separate and apart from the rest of the champions’ kits. It does not. It is a factor they considered with the whole of their kits. They decided Diablo would be allowed to benefit from it because it stayed balanced with the rest of his kit. They decided DDHK should not because they felt it would be too much in addition to his entire kit. That’s it.
the reason i pull Will Power in a vacuum is because its a mastery that affects all champions(except robots) and outside of a champ receiving too much regen from the mastery, all champs should be treated the same.
in this instance Diablo's regen is OP with suicides and max WP
for DDHK its a death sentence cause he cant even negate the poison damage.
for every other champ in the game affected by WP, they negate the Poison damage.
so yes, i'm looking at WP in a vacuum because it shouldn't class/champ(excluding robots) specific.
If you refuse to look at the whole picture, I can’t make you. So I’m not going to waste more time on it.
@Wicket329 the bigger picture being the regen in Diablos base kit?
i'm aware its there and it shouldnt be touched.
i think a fair resolution would be for Diablo to become immune to poison debuff after 10 seconds from the start of the fight.
this way Diablo still gets a guaranteed WP regen on every fight like Omega Red has with the bleed debuff.
again to clarify, i took Kabam to their word on DDHK having a normal WP regen would be OP if left unmodified.
i also believe that if Kabam removed the reduced regen on DDHK they might remove his regen modification immunity(petrify), which i dont want to happen because its part of his niche abilities i like.
so having Diablo become immune to the poison after X amount of seconds works well for those that want to WP regen from suicides.
again to clarify, i took Kabam to their word on DDHK having a normal WP regen would be OP if left unmodified.
i also believe that if Kabam removed the reduced regen on DDHK they might remove his regen modification immunity(petrify), which i dont want to happen because its part of his niche abilities i like.
so having Diablo become immune to the poison after X amount of seconds works well for those that want to WP regen from suicides.
You being unhappy with DDHK's abilities ≠ reason to nerf other characters.
i think a fair resolution would be for Diablo to become immune to poison debuff after 10 seconds from the start of the fight.
this way Diablo still gets a guaranteed WP regen on every fight like Omega Red has with the bleed debuff.
would this be a reasonable fix?
Diablo ≠ Omega red. Characters are different and therefore can have different percentages or stack limits of the same abilities.
fair, i just mean with how Omega gets regen from the bleed debuff for the duration of the bleed.
but since the Poison debuff from Liquid Courage is not on a timer, Diablo should become immune after X seconds.
i think any interaction where WP regen is gained, is coming from a timed debuff, this is the first time a champ can keep the poison from suicides without a way to purify or stack it enough where the WP regen is reduced.
again to clarify, i took Kabam to their word on DDHK having a normal WP regen would be OP if left unmodified.
i also believe that if Kabam removed the reduced regen on DDHK they might remove his regen modification immunity(petrify), which i dont want to happen because its part of his niche abilities i like.
so having Diablo become immune to the poison after X amount of seconds works well for those that want to WP regen from suicides.
You being unhappy with DDHK's abilities ≠ reason to nerf other characters.
I'm not sure how anything i said in this thread can be construed as me being unhappy with DDHK's abilities.
i'm also not asking for Diablo to be nerfed, his base kit nor his regen rate should be changed.
him becoming immune to the Poison debuff after X seconds is hardly a nerf and would still benefit from WP regen, just not the entire fight.
which currently no champ can do.
Immortal Abomination is an exception because his abilities force him to stack his poisons(reducing regen rate) or consuming the potions to keep the Toxic Aura up.
fair, i just mean with how Omega gets regen from the bleed debuff for the duration of the bleed.
but since the Poison debuff from Liquid Courage is not on a timer, Diablo should become immune after X seconds.
i think any interaction where WP regen is gained, is coming from a timed debuff, this is the first time a champ can keep the poison from suicides without a way to purify or stack it enough where the WP regen is reduced.
Bleed ≠ poison
And Omega is specifically taken up against bleed matchups due to his regen as well as his damage output increasing significantly. Furthermore he is immune to poison and takes no damage from it while Diablo will still take damage from bleed.
You’re drawing false equivalencies here with your arguments.
fair, i just mean with how Omega gets regen from the bleed debuff for the duration of the bleed.
but since the Poison debuff from Liquid Courage is not on a timer, Diablo should become immune after X seconds.
i think any interaction where WP regen is gained, is coming from a timed debuff, this is the first time a champ can keep the poison from suicides without a way to purify or stack it enough where the WP regen is reduced.
Bleed ≠ poison
And Omega is specifically taken up against bleed matchups due to his regen as well as his damage output increasing significantly. Furthermore he is immune to poison and takes no damage from it while Diablo will still take damage from bleed.
You’re drawing false equivalencies here with your arguments.
those are big words that sadly i'm not smart enough to understand.
obviously Bleed is not the same as poison.
all i'm trying to say is most champs interact with debuffs on a timer.
since the debuff applied from the Liquid Courage mastery is permanent and Diablo has no way to remove it.
they are not gonna change how the mastery works, nor should they.
my suggestion is that Diablo should become immune to the poison eventually to prevent him from having an OP regen from WP.
this would also allow him to gain more health from the regen in his base kit since the regen rate would not be reduced from the poison and still allowing him room to recover the recoil damage when played with suicides.
So.... basically... My champ can't do it, so why should yours? Got it. 👌
if you want to over simplify it? sure.
the main thing to focus on is the reason for Kabam to nerf the regen rate on DDHK was that it would be too OP to get all the Will Power heal during a fight.
yet its OK for Diablo to get all that WP regen without the penalty?
where is the game balance?
Dude, you are willfully ignoring that they have different kits. It’s not a simple regen on/off switch, it’s regen in addition to the rest of the characters kit.
I’ve explained this thoroughly above already. You are choosing not to engage with that and at this point are either being stubborn or trolling.
Different champions have different kits. That’s it. That’s the explanation. If DDHK and Diablo had the exact same kit except for this regen issue, you’d be onto something. But they don’t, so you’re not.
i'm not sure what it is i'm ignoring here, so my apologies if i missed something.
i understand they have different kits, Diablo has regen at the base, thats not what i'm discussing.
Diablo has a poison that he takes zero damage from but has a full Will Power regen benefit from.
DDHK takes normal damage from poison as well as 30% reduced regen rate with his base -40% regen rate and straight dies from the poison by itself over time.
are you saying that is fair and/or balanced when the reason given for DDHK regen rate reduction was that it would be too powerful for a champ to have that much WP regen during a fight?
Immortal Abomination is a completely different champ with a different kit, he too could have OP WP regen, but he actually stacks the poisons so that in itself keeps the WP regen in check by the reduced regen per poison alone and that is a fair trade off.
You keep putting the willpower healing in a vacuum as if it exists separate and apart from the rest of the champions’ kits. It does not. It is a factor they considered with the whole of their kits. They decided Diablo would be allowed to benefit from it because it stayed balanced with the rest of his kit. They decided DDHK should not because they felt it would be too much in addition to his entire kit. That’s it.
the reason i pull Will Power in a vacuum is because its a mastery that affects all champions(except robots) and outside of a champ receiving too much regen from the mastery, all champs should be treated the same.
in this instance Diablo's regen is OP with suicides and max WP
for DDHK its a death sentence cause he cant even negate the poison damage.
for every other champ in the game affected by WP, they negate the Poison damage.
so yes, i'm looking at WP in a vacuum because it shouldn't class/champ(excluding robots) specific.
If you refuse to look at the whole picture, I can’t make you. So I’m not going to waste more time on it.
@Wicket329 the bigger picture being the regen in Diablos base kit?
i'm aware its there and it shouldnt be touched.
i think a fair resolution would be for Diablo to become immune to poison debuff after 10 seconds from the start of the fight.
this way Diablo still gets a guaranteed WP regen on every fight like Omega Red has with the bleed debuff.
would this be a reasonable fix?
No, dude. The willpower issue was considered when the champion was developed. It is not separate. It is as much as a part of his kit as his base regenerative abilities.
This is what I mean by you’re looking at it in a vacuum rather than as part of the whole. You’re behaving as though Kabam didn’t consider this interaction when they specifically intended for it to be this way. It is a part of his kit. Without it, he is not the champ that he was designed as. Stop trying to get him nerfed (and yes, removing the ability to have a poison on him is objectively a nerf), and do not tag me unless you realize how myopic you are being.
Half of his sig ability is about benefits he gains when poisoned! He is meant to be poisoned! Making him poison immune would literally gut the character. Just leave it alone.
So.... basically... My champ can't do it, so why should yours? Got it. 👌
if you want to over simplify it? sure.
the main thing to focus on is the reason for Kabam to nerf the regen rate on DDHK was that it would be too OP to get all the Will Power heal during a fight.
yet its OK for Diablo to get all that WP regen without the penalty?
where is the game balance?
Dude, you are willfully ignoring that they have different kits. It’s not a simple regen on/off switch, it’s regen in addition to the rest of the characters kit.
I’ve explained this thoroughly above already. You are choosing not to engage with that and at this point are either being stubborn or trolling.
Different champions have different kits. That’s it. That’s the explanation. If DDHK and Diablo had the exact same kit except for this regen issue, you’d be onto something. But they don’t, so you’re not.
i'm not sure what it is i'm ignoring here, so my apologies if i missed something.
i understand they have different kits, Diablo has regen at the base, thats not what i'm discussing.
Diablo has a poison that he takes zero damage from but has a full Will Power regen benefit from.
DDHK takes normal damage from poison as well as 30% reduced regen rate with his base -40% regen rate and straight dies from the poison by itself over time.
are you saying that is fair and/or balanced when the reason given for DDHK regen rate reduction was that it would be too powerful for a champ to have that much WP regen during a fight?
Immortal Abomination is a completely different champ with a different kit, he too could have OP WP regen, but he actually stacks the poisons so that in itself keeps the WP regen in check by the reduced regen per poison alone and that is a fair trade off.
You keep putting the willpower healing in a vacuum as if it exists separate and apart from the rest of the champions’ kits. It does not. It is a factor they considered with the whole of their kits. They decided Diablo would be allowed to benefit from it because it stayed balanced with the rest of his kit. They decided DDHK should not because they felt it would be too much in addition to his entire kit. That’s it.
the reason i pull Will Power in a vacuum is because its a mastery that affects all champions(except robots) and outside of a champ receiving too much regen from the mastery, all champs should be treated the same.
in this instance Diablo's regen is OP with suicides and max WP
for DDHK its a death sentence cause he cant even negate the poison damage.
for every other champ in the game affected by WP, they negate the Poison damage.
so yes, i'm looking at WP in a vacuum because it shouldn't class/champ(excluding robots) specific.
If you refuse to look at the whole picture, I can’t make you. So I’m not going to waste more time on it.
@Wicket329 the bigger picture being the regen in Diablos base kit?
i'm aware its there and it shouldnt be touched.
i think a fair resolution would be for Diablo to become immune to poison debuff after 10 seconds from the start of the fight.
this way Diablo still gets a guaranteed WP regen on every fight like Omega Red has with the bleed debuff.
would this be a reasonable fix?
No, dude. The willpower issue was considered when the champion was developed. It is not separate. It is as much as a part of his kit as his base regenerative abilities.
This is what I mean by you’re looking at it in a vacuum rather than as part of the whole. You’re behaving as though Kabam didn’t consider this interaction when they specifically intended for it to be this way. It is a part of his kit. Without it, he is not the chamStop trying to get him nerfed, and stop tagging me unless you are going to think about
@Wicket329 i understand what you mean now and perhaps you are correct, but Kabam has made mistakes in the past and have had to make changes after a champ was buffed or even released as a new champ due to an unforeseen interaction.
wouldn't you prefer to know that for a fact since you seem to be enjoying the Diablo buff very much, also preferably before you rank him up?
like i mentioned earlier, if Kabam confirms this is intended i will accept it like i did when DDHK had his regen rate lowered for the potential OP WP regen.
So.... basically... My champ can't do it, so why should yours? Got it. 👌
if you want to over simplify it? sure.
the main thing to focus on is the reason for Kabam to nerf the regen rate on DDHK was that it would be too OP to get all the Will Power heal during a fight.
yet its OK for Diablo to get all that WP regen without the penalty?
where is the game balance?
Dude, you are willfully ignoring that they have different kits. It’s not a simple regen on/off switch, it’s regen in addition to the rest of the characters kit.
I’ve explained this thoroughly above already. You are choosing not to engage with that and at this point are either being stubborn or trolling.
Different champions have different kits. That’s it. That’s the explanation. If DDHK and Diablo had the exact same kit except for this regen issue, you’d be onto something. But they don’t, so you’re not.
i'm not sure what it is i'm ignoring here, so my apologies if i missed something.
i understand they have different kits, Diablo has regen at the base, thats not what i'm discussing.
Diablo has a poison that he takes zero damage from but has a full Will Power regen benefit from.
DDHK takes normal damage from poison as well as 30% reduced regen rate with his base -40% regen rate and straight dies from the poison by itself over time.
are you saying that is fair and/or balanced when the reason given for DDHK regen rate reduction was that it would be too powerful for a champ to have that much WP regen during a fight?
Immortal Abomination is a completely different champ with a different kit, he too could have OP WP regen, but he actually stacks the poisons so that in itself keeps the WP regen in check by the reduced regen per poison alone and that is a fair trade off.
You keep putting the willpower healing in a vacuum as if it exists separate and apart from the rest of the champions’ kits. It does not. It is a factor they considered with the whole of their kits. They decided Diablo would be allowed to benefit from it because it stayed balanced with the rest of his kit. They decided DDHK should not because they felt it would be too much in addition to his entire kit. That’s it.
the reason i pull Will Power in a vacuum is because its a mastery that affects all champions(except robots) and outside of a champ receiving too much regen from the mastery, all champs should be treated the same.
in this instance Diablo's regen is OP with suicides and max WP
for DDHK its a death sentence cause he cant even negate the poison damage.
for every other champ in the game affected by WP, they negate the Poison damage.
so yes, i'm looking at WP in a vacuum because it shouldn't class/champ(excluding robots) specific.
If you refuse to look at the whole picture, I can’t make you. So I’m not going to waste more time on it.
@Wicket329 the bigger picture being the regen in Diablos base kit?
i'm aware its there and it shouldnt be touched.
i think a fair resolution would be for Diablo to become immune to poison debuff after 10 seconds from the start of the fight.
this way Diablo still gets a guaranteed WP regen on every fight like Omega Red has with the bleed debuff.
would this be a reasonable fix?
No, dude. The willpower issue was considered when the champion was developed. It is not separate. It is as much as a part of his kit as his base regenerative abilities.
This is what I mean by you’re looking at it in a vacuum rather than as part of the whole. You’re behaving as though Kabam didn’t consider this interaction when they specifically intended for it to be this way. It is a part of his kit. Without it, he is not the chamStop trying to get him nerfed, and stop tagging me unless you are going to think about
@Wicket329 i understand what you mean now and perhaps you are correct, but Kabam has made mistakes in the past and have had to make changes after a champ was buffed or even released as a new champ due to an unforeseen interaction.
wouldn't you prefer to know that for a fact since you seem to be enjoying the Diablo buff very much, also preferably before you rank him up?
like i mentioned earlier, if Kabam confirms this is intended i will accept it like i did when DDHK had his regen rate lowered for the potential OP WP regen.
I literally haven’t used new Diablo yet, although I may take him out for a spin today. I don’t run the suicide masteries. I have no vested interest in this.
I had to edit my previous post because it got posted in an unfinished state. It seems you saw it before it was finished, so you may want to go re-read it because it points out some other flaws with your approach.
So.... basically... My champ can't do it, so why should yours? Got it. 👌
if you want to over simplify it? sure.
the main thing to focus on is the reason for Kabam to nerf the regen rate on DDHK was that it would be too OP to get all the Will Power heal during a fight.
yet its OK for Diablo to get all that WP regen without the penalty?
where is the game balance?
Dude, you are willfully ignoring that they have different kits. It’s not a simple regen on/off switch, it’s regen in addition to the rest of the characters kit.
I’ve explained this thoroughly above already. You are choosing not to engage with that and at this point are either being stubborn or trolling.
Different champions have different kits. That’s it. That’s the explanation. If DDHK and Diablo had the exact same kit except for this regen issue, you’d be onto something. But they don’t, so you’re not.
i'm not sure what it is i'm ignoring here, so my apologies if i missed something.
i understand they have different kits, Diablo has regen at the base, thats not what i'm discussing.
Diablo has a poison that he takes zero damage from but has a full Will Power regen benefit from.
DDHK takes normal damage from poison as well as 30% reduced regen rate with his base -40% regen rate and straight dies from the poison by itself over time.
are you saying that is fair and/or balanced when the reason given for DDHK regen rate reduction was that it would be too powerful for a champ to have that much WP regen during a fight?
Immortal Abomination is a completely different champ with a different kit, he too could have OP WP regen, but he actually stacks the poisons so that in itself keeps the WP regen in check by the reduced regen per poison alone and that is a fair trade off.
You keep putting the willpower healing in a vacuum as if it exists separate and apart from the rest of the champions’ kits. It does not. It is a factor they considered with the whole of their kits. They decided Diablo would be allowed to benefit from it because it stayed balanced with the rest of his kit. They decided DDHK should not because they felt it would be too much in addition to his entire kit. That’s it.
the reason i pull Will Power in a vacuum is because its a mastery that affects all champions(except robots) and outside of a champ receiving too much regen from the mastery, all champs should be treated the same.
in this instance Diablo's regen is OP with suicides and max WP
for DDHK its a death sentence cause he cant even negate the poison damage.
for every other champ in the game affected by WP, they negate the Poison damage.
so yes, i'm looking at WP in a vacuum because it shouldn't class/champ(excluding robots) specific.
If you refuse to look at the whole picture, I can’t make you. So I’m not going to waste more time on it.
@Wicket329 the bigger picture being the regen in Diablos base kit?
i'm aware its there and it shouldnt be touched.
i think a fair resolution would be for Diablo to become immune to poison debuff after 10 seconds from the start of the fight.
this way Diablo still gets a guaranteed WP regen on every fight like Omega Red has with the bleed debuff.
would this be a reasonable fix?
No, dude. The willpower issue was considered when the champion was developed. It is not separate. It is as much as a part of his kit as his base regenerative abilities.
This is what I mean by you’re looking at it in a vacuum rather than as part of the whole. You’re behaving as though Kabam didn’t consider this interaction when they specifically intended for it to be this way. It is a part of his kit. Without it, he is not the chamStop trying to get him nerfed, and stop tagging me unless you are going to think about
@Wicket329 i understand what you mean now and perhaps you are correct, but Kabam has made mistakes in the past and have had to make changes after a champ was buffed or even released as a new champ due to an unforeseen interaction.
wouldn't you prefer to know that for a fact since you seem to be enjoying the Diablo buff very much, also preferably before you rank him up?
like i mentioned earlier, if Kabam confirms this is intended i will accept it like i did when DDHK had his regen rate lowered for the potential OP WP regen.
I literally haven’t used new Diablo yet, although I may take him out for a spin today. I don’t run the suicide masteries. I have no vested interest in this.
I had to edit my previous post because it got posted in an unfinished state. It seems you saw it before it was finished, so you may want to go re-read it because it points out some other flaws with your approach.
He is working as intended.
@Wicket329 i agree on the Sig ability and you are 100% right that becoming immune to Poison would hurt his base kit since it seems Diablo will take 30% reduced damage from all sources while he has a Poison.
that is very valuable.
so the question remains, what level of Will Power is considered too OP by Kabam standards?
from the DDHK buff spotlight:
Developer’s Note: Due to Daredevil (Hell’s Kitchen) being able to sit on a Non-Damaging Debuff nearly the entire fight we found he was just too powerful with the willpower mastery. Due to this we’ve lowered his base regen rate. He will still benefit a ton from Willpower but won’t sit on a free heal the entire fight.
From the Diablo buff spotlight:
RECOMMENDED MASTERIES: Liquid Courage & Willpower Diablo gains full Immunity to Poison Debuff damage, so he is able to take advantage of free damage and healing with Willpower!
The Poison does zero damage to Diablo per his abilities, how is this different than the reason given for DDHK having his regen rate modified, for Diablo's purposes the Poison is a non-damaging debuff.
Diablo will literally sit on a free heal the entire fight, where DDHK needs some setup to get the Rage debuff.
can we agree there is a contradiction here between 2 separate statements made by Kabam regarding the Will Power mastery.
No! We cannot agree! Because you refuse to consider the willpower healing in the greater context of the entire champion!
Kabam is saying that SPECIFICALLY DDHK would be too powerful with unmitigated willpower healing. It is SPECIFIC TO HIM because he has the rest of his kit still and they decided that his kit coupled with full willpower healing was too much.
Diablo was created WITH THE WILLPOWER HEALING IN MIND. When Kabam was crafting his kit, they said “this access to free healing brings him to a balanced state we want to release.” You can tell they said that because YOU JUST QUOTED IT.
The fact that you quoted it also tells me that your claim that you’d let this go if Kabam would only comment on it is a bunch of malarkey. You quoted them commenting on it! You are wrong! Stop tagging me!
No! We cannot agree! Because you refuse to consider the willpower healing in the greater context of the entire champion!
Kabam is saying that SPECIFICALLY DDHK would be too powerful with unmitigated willpower healing. It is SPECIFIC TO HIM because he has the rest of his kit still and they decided that his kit coupled with full willpower healing was too much.
Diablo was created WITH THE WILLPOWER HEALING IN MIND. When Kabam was crafting his kit, they said “this access to free healing brings him to a balanced state we want to release.” You can tell they said that because YOU JUST QUOTED IT.
The fact that you quoted it also tells me that your claim that you’d let this go if Kabam would only comment on it is a bunch of malarkey. You quoted them commenting on it! You are wrong! Stop tagging me!
@Wicket329 so the two statements made by Kabam are not contradicting?
when made in reference to free WP heal for the entire fight?
Another solution could be to include a line of text to Diablo saying Diablo gains a Poison debuff every X seconds, Max stack: 2.
this would allow for folks not running suicides to benefit from the poison debuff and WP regen while reducing the regen a max of 60% since its 2 stacked poisons.
Diablo would take zero damage from the poisons and the WP regen will be decent for the entire fight.
@KabamMiike or @KabamBoo any chance we can get a comment if its intentional for Diablo to get such a potent Will Power Regen from the Poison that deals zero damage when DDHK had his regen rate reduced because having the normal WP regen for the entire fight would be too potent when he applied his Rage debuff?
@Wicket329 sorry for this last tag but I want to apologize for being so dense.
After seeing Hercules CCP videos, it’s clear this is the route Kabam is going with WP regen.
For the record I wasn’t trying to be argumentative, I truly believed it may been an oversight given Kabam has made mistakes with some buffs in the past.
MoleGod keeping his True Strike while in frenzy being the most recent I believe.
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i also accepted Kabams reasoning for reducing DDHK regen rate because it made sense, however it doesnt make sense anymore given how much regen potential Diablo has with WP.
i'm simply asking for consistency, DDHK had his regen reduced due to potential for him to regen via WP the entire fight, which is what Diablo is doing at the moment.
my resolution would be for Diablo to eventually become immune to the poison debuff after 10 seconds, he still gets his WP heal, just not for the entire fight like it is currently.
i'm aware its there and it shouldnt be touched.
i think a fair resolution would be for Diablo to become immune to poison debuff after 10 seconds from the start of the fight.
this way Diablo still gets a guaranteed WP regen on every fight like Omega Red has with the bleed debuff.
would this be a reasonable fix?
i also believe that if Kabam removed the reduced regen on DDHK they might remove his regen modification immunity(petrify), which i dont want to happen because its part of his niche abilities i like.
so having Diablo become immune to the poison after X amount of seconds works well for those that want to WP regen from suicides.
but since the Poison debuff from Liquid Courage is not on a timer, Diablo should become immune after X seconds.
i think any interaction where WP regen is gained, is coming from a timed debuff, this is the first time a champ can keep the poison from suicides without a way to purify or stack it enough where the WP regen is reduced.
i'm also not asking for Diablo to be nerfed, his base kit nor his regen rate should be changed.
him becoming immune to the Poison debuff after X seconds is hardly a nerf and would still benefit from WP regen, just not the entire fight.
which currently no champ can do.
Immortal Abomination is an exception because his abilities force him to stack his poisons(reducing regen rate) or consuming the potions to keep the Toxic Aura up.
And Omega is specifically taken up against bleed matchups due to his regen as well as his damage output increasing significantly. Furthermore he is immune to poison and takes no damage from it while Diablo will still take damage from bleed.
You’re drawing false equivalencies here with your arguments.
obviously Bleed is not the same as poison.
all i'm trying to say is most champs interact with debuffs on a timer.
since the debuff applied from the Liquid Courage mastery is permanent and Diablo has no way to remove it.
they are not gonna change how the mastery works, nor should they.
my suggestion is that Diablo should become immune to the poison eventually to prevent him from having an OP regen from WP.
this would also allow him to gain more health from the regen in his base kit since the regen rate would not be reduced from the poison and still allowing him room to recover the recoil damage when played with suicides.
This is what I mean by you’re looking at it in a vacuum rather than as part of the whole. You’re behaving as though Kabam didn’t consider this interaction when they specifically intended for it to be this way. It is a part of his kit. Without it, he is not the champ that he was designed as. Stop trying to get him nerfed (and yes, removing the ability to have a poison on him is objectively a nerf), and do not tag me unless you realize how myopic you are being.
Half of his sig ability is about benefits he gains when poisoned! He is meant to be poisoned! Making him poison immune would literally gut the character. Just leave it alone.
wouldn't you prefer to know that for a fact since you seem to be enjoying the Diablo buff very much, also preferably before you rank him up?
like i mentioned earlier, if Kabam confirms this is intended i will accept it like i did when DDHK had his regen rate lowered for the potential OP WP regen.
I had to edit my previous post because it got posted in an unfinished state. It seems you saw it before it was finished, so you may want to go re-read it because it points out some other flaws with your approach.
He is working as intended.
that is very valuable.
so the question remains, what level of Will Power is considered too OP by Kabam standards?
from the DDHK buff spotlight:
Developer’s Note: Due to Daredevil (Hell’s Kitchen) being able to sit on a Non-Damaging Debuff nearly the entire fight we found he was just too powerful with the willpower mastery. Due to this we’ve lowered his base regen rate. He will still benefit a ton from Willpower but won’t sit on a free heal the entire fight.
From the Diablo buff spotlight:
RECOMMENDED MASTERIES:
Liquid Courage & Willpower
Diablo gains full Immunity to Poison Debuff damage, so he is able to take advantage of free damage and healing with Willpower!
The Poison does zero damage to Diablo per his abilities, how is this different than the reason given for DDHK having his regen rate modified, for Diablo's purposes the Poison is a non-damaging debuff.
Diablo will literally sit on a free heal the entire fight, where DDHK needs some setup to get the Rage debuff.
can we agree there is a contradiction here between 2 separate statements made by Kabam regarding the Will Power mastery.
Kabam is saying that SPECIFICALLY DDHK would be too powerful with unmitigated willpower healing. It is SPECIFIC TO HIM because he has the rest of his kit still and they decided that his kit coupled with full willpower healing was too much.
Diablo was created WITH THE WILLPOWER HEALING IN MIND. When Kabam was crafting his kit, they said “this access to free healing brings him to a balanced state we want to release.” You can tell they said that because YOU JUST QUOTED IT.
The fact that you quoted it also tells me that your claim that you’d let this go if Kabam would only comment on it is a bunch of malarkey. You quoted them commenting on it! You are wrong! Stop tagging me!
when made in reference to free WP heal for the entire fight?
Another solution could be to include a line of text to Diablo saying Diablo gains a Poison debuff every X seconds, Max stack: 2.
this would allow for folks not running suicides to benefit from the poison debuff and WP regen while reducing the regen a max of 60% since its 2 stacked poisons.
Diablo would take zero damage from the poisons and the WP regen will be decent for the entire fight.
After seeing Hercules CCP videos, it’s clear this is the route Kabam is going with WP regen.
For the record I wasn’t trying to be argumentative, I truly believed it may been an oversight given Kabam has made mistakes with some buffs in the past.
MoleGod keeping his True Strike while in frenzy being the most recent I believe.
Thanks for trying to help me understand all this.
I promise I’ll be more receptive in the future.