Best Cosmic Champion?

Honestly, it hasn’t been long. But after seeing Karate Mike’s videos with this months madlad, Hercules, I have to say, he is absolutely insane. So, who is the BEST Cosmic Champion

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Legendary_Noob

Honestly, it hasn’t been long. But after seeing Karate Mike’s videos with this months madlad, Hercules, I have to say, he is absolutely insane. So, who is the BEST Cosmic Champion

I feel for overall content that can be completed by a single cosmic champ I would have to go for my boy Hyperion. But it's hard to put the "best" label on any champion

ChaosMax1012

This just my personal opinion!

1. Hercules
2. Hyperion
3. Cosmic Ghost Rider
4. Corvus Glaive
5. Captain Marvel (Movie)

I would definitely put corvus in the top 3, while hyperion and CGR fight for a spot. I really think its between corvus and hercules.

Deewill

With all the new champs out it’s time for 6 star Hyperion.. come on now they finally made 5 star scarlet witch.. but they could have made her 6 star too while they at it.. add them to the mix..

The_Sentry06

Hercules could be the top cosmic and I'm inclining towards that.

Thanos1149

Damn, people should’ve voted for CGR or Corvus, so Kabam will think that he is no longer a god, and THEN, they might release him as a six star. Bit far fetched and extremely unlikely that would’ve happened, but I’m desperate people

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DrOctavius2_2

I vote Hela she was doing immortality before it was cool

Malreck04

I vote Hela she was doing immortality before it was cool

Well, she can hit harder than any of the champs on the poll

FuneralMist

HYPERION...he just carried me through alot of content its hard to not vote for him...love that soul crushing sp2 uppercut..lol

Kabl

Groot.

Rookiie

@Karatemike415 what do you think?

Parth_vansh

Oh my god, the cgr toxic guys are making this discussion very bad.
Every champ have there own unique things.
1. Corvus dominants aq, is the best cosmic to bring in incrusions, very good boss killer and death immunity
2. Cgr have one of the highest dmg output in game, have some immunities, fun to play, satisfying numbers and lot
3. Herc is very good in both short and long fights, death immunity is good, fun to play, very good animations and winning pose, lot of potential.
4. Let's just be fair, hype is a 5 star champ and people who have rank 3 corvus/cgr/herc still use him in many content.

Again I just want to say that all are very close in there use in game and all is on your personal preference.
Don't be that toxic cgr guys, you are making is very bad situation.

Be safe

ChaosMax1012

Oh my god, the cgr toxic guys are making this discussion very bad.
Every champ have there own unique things.
1. Corvus dominants aq, is the best cosmic to bring in incrusions, very good boss killer and death immunity
2. Cgr have one of the highest dmg output in game, have some immunities, fun to play, satisfying numbers and lot
3. Herc is very good in both short and long fights, death immunity is good, fun to play, very good animations and winning pose, lot of potential.
4. Let's just be fair, hype is a 5 star champ and people who have rank 3 corvus/cgr/herc still use him in many content.

Again I just want to say that all are very close in there use in game and all is on your personal preference.
Don't be that toxic cgr guys, you are making is very bad situation.

Be safe

CGR has high numbers so thats what makes some of his fans undermine everything about other cosmics. Some do give fair reasoning though.

Thanos1149

Oh my god, the cgr toxic guys are making this discussion very bad.
Every champ have there own unique things.
1. Corvus dominants aq, is the best cosmic to bring in incrusions, very good boss killer and death immunity
2. Cgr have one of the highest dmg output in game, have some immunities, fun to play, satisfying numbers and lot
3. Herc is very good in both short and long fights, death immunity is good, fun to play, very good animations and winning pose, lot of potential.
4. Let's just be fair, hype is a 5 star champ and people who have rank 3 corvus/cgr/herc still use him in many content.

Again I just want to say that all are very close in there use in game and all is on your personal preference.
Don't be that toxic cgr guys, you are making is very bad situation.

Be safe
CGR has high numbers so thats what makes some of his fans undermine everything about other cosmics. Some do give fair reasoning though.

Yep. CGR is my favourite champ but I agree that Hyperion is better because that power gain ability is OP. Though I do think that CGR is better than Corvus, and I don’t really use CMM so idk about her.

ChaosMax1012

Oh my god, the cgr toxic guys are making this discussion very bad.
Every champ have there own unique things.
1. Corvus dominants aq, is the best cosmic to bring in incrusions, very good boss killer and death immunity
2. Cgr have one of the highest dmg output in game, have some immunities, fun to play, satisfying numbers and lot
3. Herc is very good in both short and long fights, death immunity is good, fun to play, very good animations and winning pose, lot of potential.
4. Let's just be fair, hype is a 5 star champ and people who have rank 3 corvus/cgr/herc still use him in many content.

Again I just want to say that all are very close in there use in game and all is on your personal preference.
Don't be that toxic cgr guys, you are making is very bad situation.

Be safe
CGR has high numbers so thats what makes some of his fans undermine everything about other cosmics. Some do give fair reasoning though.
Yep. CGR is my favourite champ but I agree that Hyperion is better because that power gain ability is OP. Though I do think that CGR is better than Corvus, and I don’t really use CMM so idk about her.

Hyperion is my favorite of these champs but it’s really tough to say he can’t be the best because he isn’t a 6*, but then again these other champs crazy too and clear so much. Tough to say who’s the best, i think it’s hercules but probably gotta wait and see. Maybe his usability will die down or he will get nerfed, but i really doubt a top 4 prestige champ with some really good utility and damage is gonna be ignored for too long.

Zeroj2k

Ive done my first run through of 6.3, 6.4, 7.1 and working on 7.2 and Corvus has been my MVP

Corvus on Flare paths is an absolute joke

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Colonaut123

Hyperion is an oldtimer and still stands today. That makes him the best cosmic imo.

AssumedName

You only know the power of Hyperion when you’ve had him for a while. He does things he shouldn’t even be great for really well, and is normally a nice replacement if you don’t have a certain champ. He just works.

CGR is annoyingly overrated, and spam disagree if you want, his utility is awful.

Thanos1149

You only know the power of Hyperion when you’ve had him for a while. He does things he shouldn’t even be great for really well, and is normally a nice replacement if you don’t have a certain champ. He just works.

CGR is annoyingly overrated, and spam disagree if you want, his utility is awful.

Yes, Hype is better, but CGR is still a god. He is the highest dealing champ in the game WITHOUT synergies, and his awakened ability is pretty helpful. He counters Mysterio and Ghost at the start of the fight without doing anything, and has easy access to massive armor breaks and many other buffs. So no he’s not overrated, and sure he might have a little less utility but it’s still more than a lot of champions and he makes up for it with his damage.

Hilbert_unbeatable2

Pls don't do this

AssumedName

You only know the power of Hyperion when you’ve had him for a while. He does things he shouldn’t even be great for really well, and is normally a nice replacement if you don’t have a certain champ. He just works.

CGR is annoyingly overrated, and spam disagree if you want, his utility is awful.
Yes, Hype is better, but CGR is still a god. He is the highest dealing champ in the game WITHOUT synergies, and his awakened ability is pretty helpful. He counters Mysterio and Ghost at the start of the fight without doing anything, and has easy access to massive armor breaks and many other buffs. So no he’s not overrated, and sure he might have a little less utility but it’s still more than a lot of champions and he makes up for it with his damage.

I have to disagree with him having more utility than a lot of other champs, unless you’re just looking at the meme tiers. Mangog, who I admit is significantly worse, has about 10x more utility than CGR. Same applies to dormammu etc. Double immunity and armour break is all he really has. His fate seal is stupidly situational, to the point where it’s only really useful for his rotation and not utility.

He actually has yet to impress me from a utility standpoint in any content that’s actually difficult, and he was released 10 months ago.

AssumedName

You only know the power of Hyperion when you’ve had him for a while. He does things he shouldn’t even be great for really well, and is normally a nice replacement if you don’t have a certain champ. He just works.

CGR is annoyingly overrated, and spam disagree if you want, his utility is awful.
What about his utility is awful?

What utility? That’s my point.

SirGamesBond

Looks like Herc hype is real. No pun intended.
I would definitely be interested if I ever get a 5/6 herc.
I really don't care till I own newly released champs, Why bother with the things I don't have.
Gonna invest on the 4* and do some testing now. This thread have me intrigued.

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The_Sentry06

Here’s my moment for disagrees. Hyperion is only considered the best cosmic for the nostalgia factor. If you released Hyperion and any of Herc, CGR or Corvus in the same month today, I really believe you would not consider Hyperion the best champion.

In the past he could do so much that we required him to do, we weren’t as good at intercepting so his power gain was great, we needed damage so that was great, his secondary source of damage from sp1 was nice. But nowadays he simply doesn’t cut it. We can intercept better and play more reliably without the need for specials to intercept, we have more damage, we have other ways to get secondary damage.

He’s awesome, and it’s a testament to how good he is that he’s still in the conversation at all. But he is not as good as Cosmic champions who came after him, and people are hanging on to the notion that Hyp is the best based on using him to get through act 4, 5 and 6 in the day. We have better champs now
I think hes pretty easily the best bc the other contenders have to do a few things to be on even ground. CG can't touch him without the combination of a higher rarity and suicides, Cgr is close but struggles when he can't 5hit combos or has to deal with AAR, and Herc needs suicides it seems like. Hes early enough that I won't say for certain that hes not better, but there's a pretty good reason hype and quake probably won't get a 6* anytime soon. Maybe that's just kabam being overly cautious but...
Why are you saying that without higher rarity/suicides CGR isn't better? Because that seems like you're implying without the extra attack from higher rank and suicides, CGR isn't better than Hyp? He has the same utility as a 6* rank 3, so unless you're saying that CGR's damage isn't enough then I don't think you've got much of a point there. And I'm not sure I've ever seen someone say CGR's damage isn't enough.

Regarding needing 5 hit combos, I'm not actually sure what you're referring to. Do you mean this?
https://youtu.be/WhvhPCBwX6w
I'm sure you don't mean miss, since every miss (to my knowledge except stun immune tunnel vision, a rather niche combination) in the game can be gotten around with a 5 hit combo. Professor X, G2099, Stryfe, Darkhawk, SuperSkrull etc. Regarding nodes, tunnel vision is shown above, Missing in action (any time defender buff ends there's a timer then falter), if you'd like to point out more miss nodes or champions I'd be happy to explain how CGR can deal with them.

Or perhaps you're referring to evade, since it could screw him up. But I know you wouldn't be using that as your point, it's not like Hyperion is an evade counter. Using Evade as your reason Hyp is better would be pretty weak.

Maybe you mean Autoblock, could be annoying there. Except when you consider it, 4 of the 8 auto blockers need buffs or armour to do so, and CGR is very proficient at countering them. Nova, Heimdall, Medusa, IMIW. CGR handles them all easily. You're left with Darkhawk (easy to handle, push to sp2 and use vigilance buff to counter/don't knock down except when necessary), MODOK (bad match up admittedly), overseer (we haven't seen enough of him yet to form an accurate opinion on defence) and Thor Rags (no counter needed). So of the 8 autoblock champions, CGR hard counters 4, can deal with 2, 1 is undetermined and 1 is a bad matchup. Regardless, I don't think you mean autoblock, since CGR can deal with it better than Hyperion, who can't deal with Nova, Heimdall, Medusa or MODOK, and not as well for IMIW, with 1 armour break per SP2, and CGR gets more armour breaks, more often.

So how exactly, can CGR's combo be interrupted in a meaningful scenario

Since you say Hype not being released as a 6* is proof that he's "too good", I wonder if you'd make the same case for Blade, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Dr Voodoo, Magik and Scarlet Witch? Are they all too good to be released as 6*? Cause it seems like you're using one fact to suit your opinion, rather than using the full picture to form your opinion.

The other ones that haven't been 6* all have enormormous healing capability or were the two best/most broken mystics for a long time that they haven't gotten around to releasing as 6*.

Oh wait I forgot hype has a nice heal, maybe thats just it.

Also I do not have any interest in going thru all that work to 5hit with cgr. I do understand that for you those challenges are fun, but thats a lot more effort than id want to go thru for those fights. Hype doesn't counter evade but barring the last hit of heavies, he can do evade fights with sp1 as backup for when they evade just fine.

I like my cgr a lot but I still use hype more im pretty sure. Its certainly good that we have more contenders for top cosmic than "hype or CG with suicides" like

@walkerdog
What work to 5hit do you have to go through? what do you mean? Do you mean parry, LLMLM? That’s not effort , that’s a work around to counter content. It’s a different way to play to counter nodes

How does Hyperion counter tunnel vision?

Again, “effort” to use a champion does not take anything away from how good they are. Would you agree that quake is the best champion in the game? Because she takes effort to use.

So are you saying that because Hyperion can deal with evade by having a special ready, and because you don’t want to 5 hit combo with CGR, that’s enough to mean he’s the best cosmic?

What actual points are there that you have, for why Hyperion is better than CGR
Passive power gain, a heal, and similar damage.

Hyperion's power gain is through a buff and no way their damage is similar.

Colonaut123

Hyperion is an oldtimer and still stands today. That makes him the best cosmic imo.
I think that's a fair point to say he's still an amazing champion, and it's a testament to his abilities that they're still useful today, but just because he's still good today doesn't give any inherent value to what he brings to the table in the current game.

When you look at a champion objectively, you can't use the factor of time in how good they are now. Why do you think, objectively speaking, Hyperion's abilities are better than CGR

It's true that certain nodes he can counter (safeguard, aegis) are older, but same is true for newer nodes (like special delivery or other nodes that require special attacks to reset). CGR requires a full cycle to get access to his power gain and a 5-hit combo. Hyperion needs neither.

SmallTimeANT

Am I the only that finds it funny how people say they can’t stand these types of threads yet it gets a lot of attention from them same people?

Bugmat78

Here’s my moment for disagrees. Hyperion is only considered the best cosmic for the nostalgia factor. If you released Hyperion and any of Herc, CGR or Corvus in the same month today, I really believe you would not consider Hyperion the best champion.

In the past he could do so much that we required him to do, we weren’t as good at intercepting so his power gain was great, we needed damage so that was great, his secondary source of damage from sp1 was nice. But nowadays he simply doesn’t cut it. We can intercept better and play more reliably without the need for specials to intercept, we have more damage, we have other ways to get secondary damage.

He’s awesome, and it’s a testament to how good he is that he’s still in the conversation at all. But he is not as good as Cosmic champions who came after him, and people are hanging on to the notion that Hyp is the best based on using him to get through act 4, 5 and 6 in the day. We have better champs now
While I do believe nostalgia plays a role in how often Hyperion gets voted I don't see it being the main/only reason.

If he was released today I'd probably still rate him as highly considering I didn't get him early enough for nostalgia to come into play. An argument can easily be made for corvus and Hercules if I ran suicides but I wouldn't hesitate putting him above CGR.

Yes the need for special intercepts has gone down with player improvement and act 6 attack values taking a nosedive but there are still plenty of places it's useful

We have higher damaging champs now but Hyperions damage is nowhere near lacking to the point where he doesn't cut it.

There are more sources of secondary damage in general but none of the champs being compared here have dot as easily accessible and potent.

It's not going to matter much longer anyways since 6 stars are the future and Hyperion hasn't been added to the pool but for now he still gets my vote

CGR's sp1 incinerate isn't bad at all and usually unblockable.. one trait he shares with hyperion is access to DOT on sp1 (oh and armor break on sp2). He also has double immunities and power control awakened. He even has the power gain (which unfortunately requires a full 5 hit combo which can be nerfed by things like mix master).

They could be twins literally

Thanos1149

Am I the only that finds it funny how people say they can’t stand these types of threads yet it gets a lot of attention from them same people?
Trust me every time someone says CGR has no utility I’ll be there. It’s like a bat signal for me

As long as there’s someone to protect ma boy CGR, I’m fine