Nexus Cav Crystals

Jaded

Let’s see what everyone got.

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YoMoves

Let's do some math here. Bear with me.

The nexus spins three times, correct?

So, the odds of NOT getting a 6* on any singular spin is 99/100 on this particular crystal.

The nexus, therefore, has odds of not getting a 6* of (99/100)^3, or 99/100 three times.

This comes out to about 970299/1000000, or .970299. To put it layman's terms, 97.03%.

Therefore, the odds of *getting* a 6* ar 1-.970299, or about 2.97%.

Slightly lower, yes. But this is offset by the fact that you get to choose the best result of those crystals.

A 3* has a 50% drop rate per crystal, right?

(1/2)^3 is 1/8. You have only a 1/8 chance to actually get a 3* in this crystal.

Odds are deceptively much better than everyone is making them out to be here....

YoMoves

No idea, huh? Check the math I just provided.

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YoMoves

That's your take on it. I personally was perfectly fine with it. You made an uninformed decision when the math was there-less chance of the big prize but much lesser chance of the booby prize. You're unhappy? That's your own fault at that point. If you had done the research, it was all there, and I see it as perfectly fair.

Crcrcrc

So it's 0.03% lower than the regular drop rates, and the regular drop rates are 3%, which have been around for months with no change, and which are rolled 3 times for a nexus? And the offer didn't specify that the cav drop rates are lower than normal? I don't care what way you spin it, that's either really shady or a big mistake

YoMoves

? Regular drop rates don't spin the *same* crystal three times.

Nexuses do, mate. Nexus cavs haven't been around for 'months' as you say-this is a very rare release. Regular cavs don't get the 'three times' treatment, as each nexus crystal is taking the individual odds and repeating it three times as opposed to one, then presenting the results for you to choose.

To couple with that, the offer DID have the information readily available. I've taken to clicking on the crystal in offers every time to check rates. It's not like they ever hid that information. It's like when people sell their soul in joke 'terms and service' agreements-it's not the company's fault that you didn't read an easily accessible bit of information.

Crcrcrc

I seem to remember nexus class cavs being released at the higher drop rate ages ago. Either way, 10 nexus cavs at those odds is literally worse than 10 of the basic cavs now

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YoMoves

At hitting the 6*? Possibly. But you will hit fewer 3 and 4*s at the same time over a general basis and hit more 5*s. It's not shady at all-if anything, you are getting more resources per crystal than a 10-set of cavs if the process were to be repeated a large number of times.

As my comment edit got sent to 'approval' purgatory, let's break it down a little bit more.

They didn't hide this information at all. It was all present from the offer screen for anyone to click on and read before purchasing. To not do so is like ignoring the 'terms and service' agreement and clicking agree. If you sold your soul somewhere in there, it's your fault for not informing yourself, legally speaking.

Perhaps a bad example. However, I don't see these as 'shady'. They weren't advertised as 'better than a normal cav crystal'-they were advertised as 'we spin these odds three times, then pick one!' The odds were presented for you to see and make a decision yourself. If you bought without checking, not their fault when they made it readily available, right?

Almccarthy

Yes the math is correct but that's not the point, they released daily £5 deals before with class nexus cavs in with the updated drop rates. Why change it now without saying anything or making it apparent

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Jaymix79

It’s the old drop rates. The 3* rate is the same and the 4* rate is higher than normal Cavs. It’s incorrect.

YoMoves

This, I do see as an interesting point. However, as those aren't available *now*, I can't properly calculate the odds. If someone has a screenshot, I could look at it, but for the time being I figure the likeliest scenario is they still calculated joint odds on those and presented them as usual, or there was an oversight. To change it now would be a bit shortsighted, yes, though the standpoint is still that these are regular cav crystals as opposed to class ones. I recall actually having better overall luck on these than the class nexii, but that's merely anecdotal. I'd need to see hard numbers or administrative clarification at that point.

Almccarthy

I can't remember when it was exactly but I purchased a few myself and they 100% had the updated drop rates in them

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GroundedWisdom

What makes you think you wouldn't have gotten all 3*s either way?

YoMoves

I was hoping you'd read my comment properly, but since you didn't, I'll reiterate.

"The likeliest scenario is they still calculated joint odds on those and presented them as usual, or there was an oversight."

However, since I'm not Kabam, I can't confirm that.

If that is the case, however, my point will remain standing. Until then, we can only wait for Kabam themselves to chime in. I would hold your anger until then, alright?

Let's keep debate civil and not refrain to name-calling.

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YoMoves

I could sense tensions rising. Best to de-escalate and preempt before things get out of hand, as I've seen forum posts do.

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YoMoves

I use neutral nicknames like that when I'm trying to be civil amidst the chaos. I'd say things settled down a fair bit since the debate started, no? Since we've got everything wrapped up, let's just see what officials have to say....

CoolAPC

@Kabam Miike this was a predatory offer. I was so tempted not to purchase due to the game being broken, but went for it anyway. Only pulled one five star and no six stars from the cavs… and now I understand why. I feel cheated and I don’t plan on spending money any time soon again on this game. Let me clarify, I’m not upset because I had bad luck… I’m upset because Kabam snuck in the old drop rates to a crystal that changed ages ago. This is incredibly shady.

ExHavok

They updated the Cavalier drop rates. It's now 4.5% , that doesn't mean if u open nexus you can just put old rates to cav crystals. If I knew those cav crystals had old rates I wouldn't buy the deal. I saw 10 nexus cavs and be like "woah that's a really, really good deal , let's take advantage", till I see MSD's tweet few hours ago , I had no idea.

flygamer

3 5*s in the cavs and ronin for the 6*. Whoopee

YoMoves

..so you KNEW the rates were what they were, bought it anyways, and now are mad about shadiness? Dude. That's ENTIRELY your own fault.

Hieitaku

The real mistake imo was not naming them Cavalier Nerfxus Crystals

I'm kidding

CoolAPC

Wait what? No! I didn’t know! I was confused with my bad pulls but just figured I had bad luck. I’m mad now that I am realizing from this forum thread that I purchased crystals with deceiving drop rates! I didn’t check them before purchase because the “new” cav drop rates aren’t new anymore and I didn’t even consider that they wouldn’t be the correct rates!