Nexus Cav drop rates [Merged]

1356718

Comments

  • RookiieRookiie Member Posts: 4,821 ★★★★★

    Ragnabro said:

    There are news about this in other social?

    Yes on Twitter and line app that I have seen.
    Share the news, @Spicyslicer
  • ExHavokExHavok Member Posts: 519 ★★★
    Still waiting a respond @Kabam Miike , not cool..
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Member Posts: 7,783 ★★★★★
    People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?
  • Stagedear85Stagedear85 Member Posts: 774 ★★★
    hmm actually eager to see what Kabam response to this will be
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Member Posts: 7,783 ★★★★★

    People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?

    So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?
    Did I say it's fair and ethical? It's not a great thing for them to do be it intentional (or a mistake which has happened a few months back). I'm just saying that techinically they did mention the drop rates.
  • Duo_KulioDuo_Kulio Member Posts: 183 ★★
    Players have been tricked with these crystals!
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,329 ★★★★★
    edited August 2021
    Another way to view the situation is this.

    One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

    So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

    Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

    Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,135 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    OGAvenger said:

    xNig said:

    Let’s put it this way.

    Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

    However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

    That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
    You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

    Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

    It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

    (Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
    Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

    As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

    And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
  • TitoBandito187TitoBandito187 Member Posts: 2,072 ★★★★
    xNig said:

    Another way to view the situation is this.

    One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

    So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

    Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely.

    Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

    Where was the television deal in this offer? I didn't see it, or was that an in game message that I missed? I get so confused where the offer details are at times since they change constantly. Probably why the drop rate being lowered in this deal, vs what was said in the April 8th announcement has people upset and wanting some corrections.

    Your analogy stinks. In that scenario, the regular price is always there and goes in sale for a limited time. What happened here is the regular price (cav drop rates) wasn't made better, it was made worse for a limited time and people didn't catch it, because they weren't expecting it.
  • Thanos1149Thanos1149 Member Posts: 1,136 ★★★
    xNig said:

    Another way to view the situation is this.

    One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

    So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

    Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

    Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

    That’s really not a good comparison since they said it would be a permanent change to the cav crystals. If the shop said there was a permanent 50% discount on all items forever and then they remove, then yeah it’s their fault. But this was mostly a mistake anyway so wait for the right crystals to be distributed.
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,329 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    xNig said:

    People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?

    So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?
    Technically, as long as they state the drop rates when offering the crystal, it is fair and ethical to do so.

    You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.
    I think you are confusing yourself between legal and fair/ethical. They can sometimes not be the same.
    The thing is, it is fair and ethical to do so simply because they published the drop rates before people can purchase it.

    People who said they purchased the crystals definitely said they “thought” they were the new crystals.

    I can’t walk into an Apple store and say, “I thought the iPhone for selling for $1.” Then demand to be able to buy it at $1, despite the store clearly stating the price there.

    See what I’m getting at?

    Also, an argument of “I didn’t know it was the old crystals” doesn’t work simply because ignorance isn’t a reason.

    What I’m saying is, whoever bought this deal knew what they were getting themselves into. If they didn’t, they did not do their homework prior to a purchase.

    In the conventional market, there should be a regret period and therefore, for this situation, everyone has their right to ask for a refund from the App Store or Kabam.
  • Joker1976Joker1976 Member Posts: 695 ★★★
    …kind of a common sense thing to know what your buying before you buy it. First thing I did was check the drop rates …cause well it’s nexus cav’s which is a different deal then the last daily Cav card. The deal was mainly for the shards and drop rates were provided .

    …Moral of the story I guess is maybe to look before one buys??

  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Member Posts: 7,783 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    xNig said:

    OGAvenger said:

    xNig said:

    Let’s put it this way.

    Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

    However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

    That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
    You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

    Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

    It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

    (Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
    Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

    As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

    And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
    Yes as a community, we can have an uproar and whatever we want. It will damage Kabam's reputation and damage their goodwill. But LEGALLY they can do this. Doesn't make it good. The only reason we have drop rates in most crystals in-game is because Apple and Google made it mandatory or something.
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,329 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    xNig said:

    OGAvenger said:

    xNig said:

    Let’s put it this way.

    Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.

    However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.

    That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
    You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?

    Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.

    It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.

    (Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
    Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.

    As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him

    And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
    🤷🏻‍♂️ Whether I have legal background or not, you won’t believe what I say either way. If you fly over to my country, I’ll tell it to you in person that it’s legal. 😊

    Yup, always an uproar on their hands from people who like to cry and whine when they regret buying something, and hope that they can change the results of their poor pulls.

    I would like to see someone who pulled a 6* nexus from the crystals say they want a clawback of their pulls, then be compensated with 10 new crystals.
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,329 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    xNig said:

    Another way to view the situation is this.

    One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.

    So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.

    Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.

    Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.

    In this case the analogy is more like, they said they are selling 4K UHD TV’s from now on so you wait till you have money and then go to buy it a couple of months later. You don’t feel the need to go open the box to check what’s inside. You buy the tv and then go home and check it only to realize you got the old CRT version.
    Yeah thanks. That’s a better analogy. In this situation, the reasonable thing to do is ask for a refund ya?
  • TheBair123TheBair123 Member Posts: 5,344 ★★★★★
    Anyone know if they have offered cav nexuses before? If so, when was it? It might have just been a copy-and-paste deal from before the updated the drop rates
This discussion has been closed.