Bait and switch. All crystals since April 8 are supposed to be buffed. Kabam should make it right. Submit a ticket. If they don't, take it up with the correct OS store, but give Kabam a little time to respond.
People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?
People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?
So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?
Did I say it's fair and ethical? It's not a great thing for them to do be it intentional (or a mistake which has happened a few months back). I'm just saying that techinically they did mention the drop rates.
Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
Kabams rates and info are all over the place. Where is the purchase info for the camp stuff? Oh yeah, it was sent in game via a message and not listed on the purchase item. It's no wonder people aren't sure about what they're buying half the time. There's no consistency or Kabam changes the rates on something that you wouldn't normally need to even look up since they've already said what the drop rates are supposed to be for all cav crystals.
Anytime someone is ready to leave the game, they can absolutely go through the play store to get a correction, for any purchase. You'll likely have negative units in game as a result and never be able to buy again, so it really is an end game move.
I didn't buy the offer and wouldn't with the drop rates changed. But I do hope that everyone who bought it gets some kind of adjustment. There was no reason to make the drop rates worse than what they said they were going to be for all Cav crystals going forward as of April 8th in their posted announcement.
People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?
So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?
Technically, as long as they state the drop rates when offering the crystal, it is fair and ethical to do so.
You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.
Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
Kabam can only do things from here on both of which aren't great for them
a)Give an equivalent amount of cav crystals back to those who bought it. That's a decent spread of cav crystals that they have to give away just like that in terms of monetary value.
b) Come out and say it's intentional and loose the goodwill of spenders.
Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?
Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.
It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.
(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?
So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?
He’s very clearly not defending it, he’s saying that as long as the odds are published (and they are), then they are in accordance with App Store rules. This is correct.
I do not see a moral judgment being made here, and if it was an intentional move by Kabam then it would be super uncool and I’d have to reevaluate some things. But this is almost certainly an accident. An accident that, more likely than not, will result in those who purchased the offer getting another stack of 10 nexus cavaliers at the proper drop rate.
Everybody just put the torches and pitchforks down until they respond. I believe that there is some Canadian holiday today, so there may not be a proper response until tomorrow (although it’d be neat if it came today). If the response isn’t to your liking, you can start hollering at them then.
People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?
So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?
Technically, as long as they state the drop rates when offering the crystal, it is fair and ethical to do so.
You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.
I think you are confusing yourself between legal and fair/ethical. They can sometimes not be the same.
One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.
So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.
Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.
Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?
Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.
It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.
(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.
As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him
And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.
So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.
Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.
Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
By far the worst argument I have ever seen and its not worth arguing with you if this is your logic. Wow this is bad lol.
Literally the worst comparison to the situation I’ve seen lol
One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.
So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.
Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.
Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
In this case the analogy is more like, they said they are selling 4K UHD TV’s from now on so you wait till you have money and then go to buy it a couple of months later. You don’t feel the need to go open the box to check what’s inside. You buy the tv and then go home and check it only to realize you got the old CRT version.
One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.
So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.
Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely.
Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
Where was the television deal in this offer? I didn't see it, or was that an in game message that I missed? I get so confused where the offer details are at times since they change constantly. Probably why the drop rate being lowered in this deal, vs what was said in the April 8th announcement has people upset and wanting some corrections.
Your analogy stinks. In that scenario, the regular price is always there and goes in sale for a limited time. What happened here is the regular price (cav drop rates) wasn't made better, it was made worse for a limited time and people didn't catch it, because they weren't expecting it.
One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.
So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.
Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.
Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
That’s really not a good comparison since they said it would be a permanent change to the cav crystals. If the shop said there was a permanent 50% discount on all items forever and then they remove, then yeah it’s their fault. But this was mostly a mistake anyway so wait for the right crystals to be distributed.
Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?
Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.
It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.
(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.
As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him
And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
I have an extensive legal background, there is nothing illegal about this.
If intentional, it is gross for sure. I wholeheartedly agree with that. But again, I do not believe this was intentional. We just need to wait for a response. I’m withholding any kind of moral/ethical judgment until then.
People can't do anything legally or with google/apple since Kabam have mentioned the drop rates. Mentioning something a few months back on a forums and mentioning something currently with the actual deal, which one do you think will take precedence?
So by your logic they can release any "cavalier crystal" they want and change the drop rates to what ever they want and still call it a "cavalier crystal" . In your opinion that is a good way for a company to operate, its fair and ethical in your opinion? Thats what you are defending?
Technically, as long as they state the drop rates when offering the crystal, it is fair and ethical to do so.
You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.
I think you are confusing yourself between legal and fair/ethical. They can sometimes not be the same.
The thing is, it is fair and ethical to do so simply because they published the drop rates before people can purchase it.
People who said they purchased the crystals definitely said they “thought” they were the new crystals.
I can’t walk into an Apple store and say, “I thought the iPhone for selling for $1.” Then demand to be able to buy it at $1, despite the store clearly stating the price there.
See what I’m getting at?
Also, an argument of “I didn’t know it was the old crystals” doesn’t work simply because ignorance isn’t a reason.
What I’m saying is, whoever bought this deal knew what they were getting themselves into. If they didn’t, they did not do their homework prior to a purchase.
In the conventional market, there should be a regret period and therefore, for this situation, everyone has their right to ask for a refund from the App Store or Kabam.
…kind of a common sense thing to know what your buying before you buy it. First thing I did was check the drop rates …cause well it’s nexus cav’s which is a different deal then the last daily Cav card. The deal was mainly for the shards and drop rates were provided .
…Moral of the story I guess is maybe to look before one buys??
Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?
Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.
It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.
(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.
As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him
And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
Yes as a community, we can have an uproar and whatever we want. It will damage Kabam's reputation and damage their goodwill. But LEGALLY they can do this. Doesn't make it good. The only reason we have drop rates in most crystals in-game is because Apple and Google made it mandatory or something.
Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
That makes no sense. So if Kabam all of a sudden updated Ghosts abilities to state “cannot phase damaging debuffs” and didn’t tell us about it BUT YOU COULD READ IT IN HER ABILITIES, then that would be fine?
You did read the terms of service when you agreed to them right?
Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.
It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.
(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
Oh okay yeah that’s what I thought.
As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him
And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
🤷🏻♂️ Whether I have legal background or not, you won’t believe what I say either way. If you fly over to my country, I’ll tell it to you in person that it’s legal. 😊
Yup, always an uproar on their hands from people who like to cry and whine when they regret buying something, and hope that they can change the results of their poor pulls.
I would like to see someone who pulled a 6* nexus from the crystals say they want a clawback of their pulls, then be compensated with 10 new crystals.
One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.
So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.
Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.
Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
In this case the analogy is more like, they said they are selling 4K UHD TV’s from now on so you wait till you have money and then go to buy it a couple of months later. You don’t feel the need to go open the box to check what’s inside. You buy the tv and then go home and check it only to realize you got the old CRT version.
Yeah thanks. That’s a better analogy. In this situation, the reasonable thing to do is ask for a refund ya?
Anyone know if they have offered cav nexuses before? If so, when was it? It might have just been a copy-and-paste deal from before the updated the drop rates
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Drop rates were advertised on the crystals before people were allowed to buy them. So as a company, Kabam did nothing shady or unethical. It was the buyers who did not read what was stated and bought them based on their assumption.
However, as a company, Kabam should offer the new crystals as compensation as a gesture of goodwill. They’re not obligated to do so though.
Anytime someone is ready to leave the game, they can absolutely go through the play store to get a correction, for any purchase. You'll likely have negative units in game as a result and never be able to buy again, so it really is an end game move.
I didn't buy the offer and wouldn't with the drop rates changed. But I do hope that everyone who bought it gets some kind of adjustment. There was no reason to make the drop rates worse than what they said they were going to be for all Cav crystals going forward as of April 8th in their posted announcement.
You can try bringing your argument to a lawyer and see if you have any grounds to stand on.
a)Give an equivalent amount of cav crystals back to those who bought it. That's a decent spread of cav crystals that they have to give away just like that in terms of monetary value.
b) Come out and say it's intentional and loose the goodwill of spenders.
Kabam, technically, CAN do that. It’s their game, it’s their champs, they can do whatever they want.
It just reflects badly on them but they are within their legal right to do so. And no amount of argument can change that fact.
(Anyway, this has been done to quite a few champs already lol)
I do not see a moral judgment being made here, and if it was an intentional move by Kabam then it would be super uncool and I’d have to reevaluate some things. But this is almost certainly an accident. An accident that, more likely than not, will result in those who purchased the offer getting another stack of 10 nexus cavaliers at the proper drop rate.
Everybody just put the torches and pitchforks down until they respond. I believe that there is some Canadian holiday today, so there may not be a proper response until tomorrow (although it’d be neat if it came today). If the response isn’t to your liking, you can start hollering at them then.
One month back, you walked past an electronic shop and saw that their televisions were on 50% discount.
So for that month, you saved your money and when you went back there a month later, the television you were intending to buy is no longer on discount.
Is it ethical and fair for the shop to remove the discount? Definitely. It’s their right to sell and market whatever they want at whatever price point they want.
Can you cry and whine about it and hope they give you that 50% discount you were hoping for? Maybe. But if they do, they did it as a gesture of goodwill but not because they were obligated to.
As long as it’s technically “legal” then go for it. Of course this is someone with no legal background sitting behind a computer screen telling us it’s legal…but I’m sure we can trust him
And anytime they’ve changed a champs abilities like that they’ve had an uproar on their hands. Wow!! Similar to this situation!! See how that works?
Your analogy stinks. In that scenario, the regular price is always there and goes in sale for a limited time. What happened here is the regular price (cav drop rates) wasn't made better, it was made worse for a limited time and people didn't catch it, because they weren't expecting it.
If intentional, it is gross for sure. I wholeheartedly agree with that. But again, I do not believe this was intentional. We just need to wait for a response. I’m withholding any kind of moral/ethical judgment until then.
People who said they purchased the crystals definitely said they “thought” they were the new crystals.
I can’t walk into an Apple store and say, “I thought the iPhone for selling for $1.” Then demand to be able to buy it at $1, despite the store clearly stating the price there.
See what I’m getting at?
Also, an argument of “I didn’t know it was the old crystals” doesn’t work simply because ignorance isn’t a reason.
What I’m saying is, whoever bought this deal knew what they were getting themselves into. If they didn’t, they did not do their homework prior to a purchase.
In the conventional market, there should be a regret period and therefore, for this situation, everyone has their right to ask for a refund from the App Store or Kabam.
…Moral of the story I guess is maybe to look before one buys??
Yup, always an uproar on their hands from people who like to cry and whine when they regret buying something, and hope that they can change the results of their poor pulls.
I would like to see someone who pulled a 6* nexus from the crystals say they want a clawback of their pulls, then be compensated with 10 new crystals.